Idle Speed SM5

[Ravi4l]

Hey Guys gota quick question what’s the idle speed for SM5 and does it stay stable once the bike temp get’s 2 bars. Mine keeps on going up and down from 1300 to 1500. I been having surging issue it got little bit better after I close the purge valve line but still surging pretty bad. It does it any gear and any rpm range feels like I’m gona hit something wile riding in traffic. So far my dealer has not been much help so trying to see what I can check next to solve this issue.

thanks

Ravi

 

[docdoru]

Second update or check the left vacum line. :thumbup:

 

[NancysToy]

Hey Guys gota quick question what’s the idle speed for SM5 and does it stay stable once the bike temp get’s 2 bars. Mine keeps on going up and down from 1300 to 1500. I been having surging issue it got little bit better after I close the purge valve line but still surging pretty bad. It does it any gear and any rpm range feels like I’m gona hit something wile riding in traffic. So far my dealer has not been much help so trying to see what I can check next to solve this issue.

thanks

Ravi

Your Spyder seems to be idling normally, or close to it. Is shouldn't hunt rapidly and continuously, but will vary by 100 rpm or so. The surging should be able to be solved. Did the dealer do the ECM update (and purge canister vent hose)? This should resolve most surging problems. If it did not, then the dealer needs to work with BRP to get to the root of the problem. Could be ignition, vacuum leak, fuel filter, O2 sensor, throttle body sensor, or any number of other causes, including a bad electrical connection somewhere. Difficult to troubleshoot...maybe, impossible to solve...no! Have the dealer call BRP tech and speak to them about it...repeatedly if need be.

 

[Ravi4l]

yes it got the 2and update with vent hose. thanks i'll call dealer and see what they can do it;s kinda pain when i drop off bike then it just sits there until i keep calling about it main reason i got this because winter riding so hopefully it;s nice weather next week here so i can get back on Kawasaki C14 and have this looked @. issue with dealer is they don;t think it;s a issue and keep saying it;s just me since nothing shows up on computer. @ this point i feel like i got a lemon.

thanks again guys

Ravi

 

[Ravi4l]

Sorry but i where is the left vacum line does anyone i have pic. i'll check that today.

thank again

 

[BajaRon]

Surging is a pretty rapid change in RPM. My Spyder will settle into a slighly different idle speed each time but ranges about like yours. Plus I'm sure there is a +or- value on the tach as well.

But if it is surging it's most likely a vacuum issue somewhere. Your dealer should know this and be able to reslove it (emphasis on SHOULD)

Good luck and let us know how it goes.

 

[NancysToy]

yes it got the 2and update with vent hose. thanks i'll call dealer and see what they can do it;s kinda pain when i drop off bike then it just sits there until i keep calling about it main reason i got this because winter riding so hopefully it;s nice weather next week here so i can get back on Kawasaki C14 and have this looked @. issue with dealer is they don;t think it;s a issue and keep saying it;s just me since nothing shows up on computer. @ this point i feel like i got a lemon.

thanks again guys

Ravi

I think it is a pity that being a modern motorcycle technician seems to make it impossible to also be a motorcycle mechanic these days. The two seem to be mutually exclusive. Not everything shows up on a computer diagnostic. Plain old troubleshooting and testing techniques still have their place. The Spyder shop manual has plenty of test procedures. Problem is that a tech has to pin it down to a system or component to know what to test. If your tech explains the symptoms to BRP tech, I expect they can help him on where to look. If he is too proud to do so, you need a new technician. He needs to forget the darned computer, and get back to basics.

Never trust a mechanic with clean fingernails!

 

[SpyderWolf]

I think it is a pity that being a modern motorcycle technician seems to make it impossible to also be a motorcycle mechanic these days. The two seem to be mutually exclusive. Not everything shows up on a computer diagnostic. Plain old troubleshooting and testing techniques still have their place. The Spyder shop manual has plenty of test procedures. Problem is that a tech has to pin it down to a system or component to know what to test. If your tech explains the symptoms to BRP tech, I expect they can help him on where to look. If he is too proud to do so, you need a new technician. He needs to forget the darned computer, and get back to basics.

Never trust a mechanic with clean fingernails!

:agree: Very well stated Scotty.

The dealership we were using was forced to close up shop due to a corporate decision to no longer deal in metrics. We are now in the process of locating another dealer to work with, and I am planning on talking to the techs at each one. I will definitely be looking at their hands when I meet them.

 

[BajaRon]

issue with dealer is they don;t think it;s a issue and keep saying it;s just me since nothing shows up on computer. @ this point i feel like i got a lemon.

thanks again guys

Ravi

You may have a lemon but could be the fruit is at the dealership and not your ride. If it's surging it is an issue, period. The only thing I can think on the dealer's behalf is if it is not surging but just settles into a different RPM range at random, which probably isn't a problem.

But I assume you know the difference and the dealer should make it right.

 

[BajaRon]

I think it is a pity that being a modern motorcycle technician seems to make it impossible to also be a motorcycle mechanic these days. The two seem to be mutually exclusive. Not everything shows up on a computer diagnostic. Plain old troubleshooting and testing techniques still have their place. The Spyder shop manual has plenty of test procedures. Problem is that a tech has to pin it down to a system or component to know what to test. If your tech explains the symptoms to BRP tech, I expect they can help him on where to look. If he is too proud to do so, you need a new technician. He needs to forget the darned computer, and get back to basics.

Never trust a mechanic with clean fingernails!

I think the general problem is the old time mechanics that could tell you what was wrong and how to fix it just by listening to the bike run don't want to mess with the computer age.

The young guys coming up now have been sold a bill of goods that going to some tech school to learn how to push buttons and read data output will give them everything they need. They don't have the wrench time or the experience that still pays off big in the real world.

It is a rare bird that will give you both skills and that person can probably do much better than what the average dealership will pay.

 

[Ravi4l]

It’s issue because its not just idle but bike surging thru all RPM’s any gear. As far dealer goes if they can’t fix it I’ll wait tell summer to take things apart since I don’t have garage @ this point.
thanks
ravi

 

[SpyderWolf]

The Engine Optimization Update was supposed to take care of the surging problem. If memory serves me right, that update came out on October 28, 2009. Our dealer applied it at the same time as the second ECM update.

Do you happen to have any other dealers close enough for you to take it to?

 

[BajaRon]

It’s issue because its not just idle but bike surging thru all RPM’s any gear. As far dealer goes if they can’t fix it I’ll wait tell summer to take things apart since I don’t have garage @ this point.
thanks
ravi

If it's surging at all RPM's that could very well be an ECM issue.

It's hard to believe the dealer is telling you that's ok. Sounds like they are just blowing you off. That's easier on the ego than telling you they don't know what they're doing and don't want to mess with it.

You definitly need a 2nd opinion.

 

[Ravi4l]

last time i took it in they told me it;s winter gas. i just can;t believe these Techs . i can troubleshot better then they can.

thanks guys
ravi

 

[NancysToy]

winter gas???

I guess I am stupid............never heard of such a thing


I would be more inclined to say it's your spark plug bearings:shemademe_smilie:

There is such a thing as a winter gas formulation in these northern areas. It is actually more volatile than the summer formulation, though, so should actually burn better. It does reduce the gas mileage slightly, however.

 

[SpyderWolf]

There is such a thing as a winter gas formulation in these northern areas. It is actually more volatile than the summer formulation, though, so should actually burn better. It does reduce the gas mileage slightly, however.

How do they make that? Do they add some type of anti-freeze compund to it?

 

[bone crusher]

There is such a thing as a winter gas formulation in these northern areas. It is actually more volatile than the summer formulation, though, so should actually burn better. It does reduce the gas mileage slightly, however.

True, true...they change over in the NE in the November time period...it does burn better for colder starts but the mileage does drop a little...

 

[docdoru]

Sorry but i where is the left vacum line does anyone i have pic. i'll check that today. thank again

 

[Ravi4l]

It’s been back @ dealer again for few days now. Now they are saying they can’t replicate issue and it might be just me. They are calling BRP keeping the bike for few more days. I hope they Fix it so I can enjoy it it’s kinda cold on C14 without heated grips it was 9F this morning.

Thanks guys

Ravi