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I wonder where the HD riders are going?

the dealer in my area quit selling spyders a couple years ago. they told me and I quote "we'll sell you a spyder but we won't service it". that's when they were getting away from the spyders. I saw some canam crates there a couple weeks ago when I was driving by but I expect they are side by sides. as for the Honda/Kawasaki store here in town. all you see sitting there are 4 wheelers and dirt bikes. I think they have a few street bikes in the showroom but not many. Harley store here, they seem to be doing alright, but not near as well as a few years ago. go to a bike nite at a Harley dealership and sit and observe. it's about portraying an image for most of them. I went to the Harley store yesterday to get a refill bottle of S100 cleaner. a salesman walked up to me and asked what I was riding today, I said, not a Harley!

what I didn't tell the salesman was that I had just traded my 2008 road king classic in. I can no longer ride 2 wheels safely so I figured I would get rid of it as I rack up a lot of miles on vehicles pretty fast. so I traded the road king and my 2016 Colorado in for a 2017 buick encore. I like all bikes. I could care less what others ride or don't ride. I could care less if another rider acknowledges my presence on the road, unless I am stopped at the side of the road possibly broke down. then I expect them to check for thumbs up or thumbs down.
 
Not sure where overprice remark comes from...

HD sales are dropping because HD machines are so grossly overpriced its become a joke. The competition in motorcycle manufacturers is fierce and people demand bang for their bucks. HD relies on "image" to sell their poorly built bikes and even millennial thumb suckers can see through the HD propaganda.


I am not sure where grossly overpriced remark comes from...

Ultra Glide Limited: starts at 26,999
Indian RoadMaster: starts at 29,999
Honda Goldwing: starts at 24,699
Can-Am RT: starts at 26,499
BMW K1600GTL: 25,595

They are all in the same ballpark as far as price goes... What you add is up to you. These prices are from the manufactures websites.



 
:agree: The prices seem to all be pretty similar...

But the RT Limited is actually over $30K, and it's the one that matches up best to the other bikes mentioned.
:D That means that We're Number One! :yes: :clap: :firstplace: :2thumbs:
 
:agree: The prices seem to all be pretty similar...

But the RT Limited is actually over $30K, and it's the one that matches up best to the other bikes mentioned.
:D That means that We're Number One! :yes: :clap: :firstplace: :2thumbs:

the triglide is higher yet, about $36,000 low end I believe.
 
Just wait until I get the farkling started: I'll show the Tri-G my taillights!
(including ALL of the extra lighting, Ron's Bar, Doc's Damper, Lamont's highway pegs, etc, etc...)
 
HD sales are dropping because HD machines are so grossly overpriced its become a joke. The competition in motorcycle manufacturers is fierce and people demand bang for their bucks. HD relies on "image" to sell their poorly built bikes and even millennial thumb suckers can see through the HD propaganda.


I get disappointed when I hear people say these things. Just so you know, bike buyers under age 30 buy more Harley's than any other bike. Check your information out before you speak ill of others.
http://archive.jsonline.com/busines...with-bikes-events-b99715726z1-377686281.html/
 
People bashing

It was very little brand bashing going on.
People bashing was % 90.
So that is what p.o. me off.
I stand by what I say when the people doing the bashing sound worse than the people they are doing it to. Plus I am a certified biker. 50 years.
Even put a motor on a bed frame one weekend so we could get in wind.I wonder if some you all are even lovers of things that go.
If I brand bash I've got no history.
Sorry if I didn't wave at you when I was 8 on my mini bike.
But! I absolutely enjoy our rtse6.
2 out of 50 don't wave at me. But ats kool. No biggie.
End of rant.
The snickers are on me
 
Agree

I don't bash HD or any other bike anyone rides. HD builds some of the best looking bikes on the road and variety is the spice of life. Be pretty boring looking through the showrooms if all the bikes were the same wouldn't it? I like these forums because I can learn so much about whatever motorcycle I am riding at the time. They are a wealth of info and this is one of the better ones, but I will not participate in group rides or join any riding "clubs" because just like this thread all discussions end up in an argument and someone goes home with their panties in a wad. I'm not stuck up, I just don't want to listen to peoples crap all day while I try to enjoy a ride. This started as a thread about motorcycle sales being in a downward spiral, not just HD, but all models. When a discussion about motorcycles or motorcycling comes up it always involves HD because HD is the brand that EVERYONE recognizes. Hell, my six year old granddaughter can pick an HD out of the herd. Do I bash what you ride or how you ride it? Nope. Do I ride an HD? Nope. Do I wave at every motorcycle I see? Nope. Do I loose sleep over any of it? Nope. If that makes me a dumbass then so be it. If riders were as concerned about the health and well being of our sport as they are about who the hell waves at them we would be one great force with a very loud voice.

Well said!
 
I am not sure where grossly overpriced remark comes from...

Ultra Glide Limited: starts at 26,999
Indian RoadMaster: starts at 29,999
Honda Goldwing: starts at 24,699
Can-Am RT: starts at 26,499
BMW K1600GTL: 25,595

They are all in the same ballpark as far as price goes... What you add is up to you. These prices are from the manufactures websites.




Hey Billy. Do you see any of these millennial thumb suckers on the machines you listed? HD sells more bikes then their competition combined and as stated their sales are dropping like a rock in a pond. Those other brands do offer smaller cheaper better bang for the buck rides and as such sales are at least holding.
 
This one is moving to a Spyder

Can't speak for anyone else, but my beloved 2005 HD is going on Craigslist soon. I'm picking up my F3-S on Friday. I have no problems with the Harley when I'm on the road (well, except for the vibration, but I'm used to that), but I have a mile of gravel between me and a paved road. I took a fall on the gravel recently (totally my fault), and it spooked me, so after 12 years and 50K miles, I'm getting a Spyder. I can't wait till Friday!!

The most important thing is that I will ride more. (And I won't have to holler for my husband to help pick up the bike when I do stupid things.)
 
OLD RIDERS

Sales of Harley-Davidson motorcycles are down. It is being blamed on the Boomers for getting old. I wonder where the old HD riders are going? HHMMMMM...

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-harley-davidson-results-idUSKBN1A3126

Our group, the rusty spokes, are now almost a 3 wheelers. Alot of Harley trikes, Can Am Spyders, and Gold Wing. When the legs start giving out, a choice has to be made, either quit biking or go for the 3 wheelers. Only a few left of the 2 wheelers but I bet next year, they will go the route of 3 wheelers.
 
If it helps to maintain your ability to get some "Wind Therapy" when you need it most, it's not a compromise: it's More time!!! :clap: :2thumbs:
 
There are others besides Milennials

Hey Billy. Do you see any of these millennial thumb suckers on the machines you listed? HD sells more bikes then their competition combined and as stated their sales are dropping like a rock in a pond. Those other brands do offer smaller cheaper better bang for the buck rides and as such sales are at least holding.

There are others to think about as well not just millennials

  • Gen Z, iGen, or Centennials: Born 1996 and later.
  • Millennials or Gen Y: Born 1977 to 1995.
  • Generation X: Born 1965 to 1976.
  • Baby Boomers: Born 1946 to 1964.
  • Traditionalists or Silent Generation: Born 1945 and before.






... but just for grins

Honda CBR 500R : starts 6,599
Indian Scout Sixty : starts 8,999
Harley Street 500: starts 6,849
BMW G650 GS: starts 7,995
Can-AM Sport (2016): starts 16,999
Kawasaki Vulcan s ABs (649cc): starts 7,099

I guess this could go on and on. According to most articles all MC sales are in the toilet (and it is not just because of millennials). Sure it looks worse for HD because they sell so many more. If anyone is interested:

https://www.statista.com/topics/1305/motorcycles-in-the-us/

Anyways...
 
Well... if this is gonna be about who waves; and who doesn't:

It's time to break this out again! :D


Top Ten Reasons Why Harley Riders Don't Wave Back
10. Afraid it will invalidate warranty.
9. Leather and studs make it too heavy to raise arm.
8. Refuse to wave to anyone whose bike is already paid for.
7. Afraid to let go of handlebars because they might vibrate off.
6. Rushing wind would blow scabs off the new tattoos.
5. Angry because they just took out second mortgage to pay luxury tax on new Harley.
4. Just discovered the fine print in owner's manual and realized H-D is partially owned by Honda.
3. Can't tell if other riders are waving or just reaching to cover their ears like everyone else.
2. Remembers the last time a Harley rider waved back, he impaled his hand on spiked helmet.
1. They're too tired from spending hours polishing all that chrome to lift their arms.

Top Ten Reasons Why Gold Wing Riders Don't Wave Back
10. Wasn't sure whether other rider was waving or making an obscene gesture.
9. Afraid might get frostbite if hand is removed from heated grip.
8. Has arthritis and the past 400 miles have made it difficult to raise arm.
7. Reflection from etched windshield momentarily blinded him.
6. The espresso machine just finished.
5. Was actually asleep when other rider waved.
4. Was in a three-way conference call with stockbroker and accessories dealer.
3. Was distracted by odd shaped blip on radar screen.
2. Was simultaneously adjusting the air suspension, seat height, programmable CD player,
seat temperature and satellite navigation system.
1. Couldn't find the "auto wave back" button on dashboard.

Top 10 Reasons Sport bikers Don't Wave:
10. They have not been riding long enough to know they're supposed to.
9. They're going too fast to have time enough to register the movement and respond.
8. You weren't wearing bright enough gear.
7. If they stick their arm out going that fast they'll rip it out of the socket.
6. They're too occupied with trying to get rid of their chicken strips.
5. They look way too cool with both hands on the bars or they don't want to unbalance
themselves while standing on the tank.
4. Their skin tight-Kevlar-ballistic-nylon-kangaroo-leather suits prevent any position other than fetal.
3. Raising an arm allows bugs into the armholes of their tank tops.
2. It's too hard to do one-handed stoppies.
1. They were too busy slipping their flip-flop back on.

Top Ten Reasons Why BMW Riders Don't Wave Back
10. New Aerostich suit too stiff to raise arm.
9. Removing a hand from the bars is considered "bad form."
8. Your bike isn't weird enough looking to justify acknowledgment.
7. Too sore from an 800-mile day on a stock "comfort" seat.
6. Too busy programming the GPS, monitoring radar, listening to ipod, XM, or talking on the cell phone.
5. He's an Iron Butt rider and you're not!.
4. Wires from Gerbings is too short.
3. You're not riding the "right kind" of BMW.
2. You haven't been properly introduced.
1. Afraid it will be misinterpreted as a friendly gesture.

Top Ten Reasons Why Dual Sport Riders Don't Wave Back
10. Vibration of knobby tires prevented the rider from taking his hand off the bars.
9. MX style safety gear was too bright to see you wave.
8. His front fender prevents you seeing him wave back.
7. Was too busy configuring his GPS/Enduro Roll/FishFinder.
6. His rain/wind/thorn/bug/bird proof thousand-dollar jacket won't allow it.
5. Was too busy re-arranging his 500 pounds of soft-sided luggage.
4. Doesn't recognize a wave in any language other than German.
3. Too busy splitting lanes/filtering through traffic.
2. One handed wheelies are not easy.
1. On single-track trails you stop, not wave.

Top Ten Reasons Why Spyder Ryders Don't Wave Back
10. They'll NEVER be able to find the horn or turnsignal again, if they move their hand on the grip.
9. They keep a "Death Grip" on the bars in case of the dreaded DPS failure.
8. They were too busy trying to figure out how to change playlists on their I-Pod.
7. They were "Bluetoothing" with their dealer regarding the latest farkle delivery.
6. They couldn't find the "Auto-Wave" Button. (Hey; It's a Limited!)
5. Their passenger was distracting them with some nonsense about "Having to stop for a break"...
4. They were mentally rehearsing the "explanation", that they'll need to give their Spouse for the
last Farkling episode.
3. They were trying to remember the best way to cross Nebraska. (Answer: while asleep, in the back of a van!)
2. They were too terrified to take their eyes off of the display; lest the dreaded "Orange Screen of Death"
make an appearance.
1. You crossed paths while they were setting the cruise control, changing the voice on their GPS, raising
the windshield, and changing the volume on the radio.

Top Ten Reasons Why Conventional Trike Riders Don't Wave Back
10. Their arms were too tired to raise... no power steering!
9. Your "Unusual" configuration has them confused. They thought you were going the other way!
8. They just had hit a pothole, and felt their first bad "Head-Shake". They're not letting go of anything!
7. They are lost in thought: How much is their Trike worth on trade, for a new Spyder?
6. They're still laughing at thgemselves for trying to put their feet down at the last stoplight.
5. The last time they waved at a "foreign" bike; their riding buddies made them buy the beer!
4. Didn't know WHAT you were, as you went by.
3. They only wave at conventionals...
2. They thought that their passenger waved... (She was asleep!)
1. The glare from all of the chrome had them momentarily blinded.

Hilarious!! :roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:
 
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