I think this proves itself...

[Oldmanzues]

I go way back to late fifities when the USAF would write you up for wearing a hement in uniform. Ireceived some write ups. Commander threw them away. Good idea.
I believe in ATGATT. A good helmet is not the coolest thing, but not bad. Mesh gear is actually cooler then riding in a tee shirt in my opion.
A local reporter was kind of egging on a cop. The pocket rocket had went off the road the rider hit a tree. He was not wearing a helmet, or much else. The reporter asked if had been wearing a hlmet, would the rider survided ? The cop replied, the bike was observed going between 80 and 100 MPH just before the crash. When a human body hits a solid object like a tree at that speed, a helmet is not going to help, nor a jacket.

A local female rider says, dress for the crash, not the ride. Another one is I would rather sweat a little at a stop light, then bleed to death at a crash scene.

It is up to you to ride your ride, wear what you want or for that matter what you ride.
Oldmanzues.

 

[Smylinacha]

Years ago I never wore a helmet. Then when I started riding my own I did and have since but then a couple of weeks ago we went riding. I had a migraine and the helmet made it worse so I didn't wear it. Boy did it feel good! Makes it hard to put one on again, but I will. I really think a full face can save your life but not so sure about 1/2 helmets (which I wear in warm weather) so I don't know if I am helping myself any with the half helmet. Mine is DOT approved but I don't understand how a 1/2 helmet can be DOT approved when if you fall and hit your head you've gotta fall the right way so your face doesn't come off. I don't know - I don't like helmets but I have been trying hard to keep mine on. I was just bad a couple of weeks ago. I can't stand seat belts - they ride up too high on me even adjusted so I just clip it to the seat and then sit on it. I know that's bad but I feel less constricted.

 

[SpydeRider2010]

it is sad that yet another bike lost their life, while riding.

as for me... I used to ride in OK without a helmet. when I went
back to Germany; I worked several accident scenes, where the
only thing that saved their butts were, a helmet.

I have also worked several accidents in the past; where we
cleaned a pretty messy scene; because they weren't wearing
a helmet.

helmets are a sweaty pain in the butt. but it's worth the sweat;
Vs the blood.

just put the damn thing on... and get over it.

 

[dltang]

Michigan is on the verge of repealing their helmet law but there is a twist. Here is how they are talking about handling it:
http://www.mlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2011/06/michigan_senate_repeals_helmet.html#incart_mce

Here's copy and past of the article:
Motorcyclists who want to ride without a helmet in Michigan moved one step closer to that decades-old dream with Senate passage of a bill that would remove the helmet requirement for those over the age of 21.
But it could be expensive.
The measure approved on a bipartisan 24-14 vote also includes a requirement that those who choose to ride without a helmet would have to purchase $100,000 in medical payment coverage, which at today's prices would appear to cost a minimum of $1,000.
Right now, medical coverage is optional for motorcycles. Though under Michigan’s no-fault law, a cyclist that collides with a car or truck, an estimated 60 percent to 70 percent of accidents, is entitled to full, lifetime medical coverage provided by the insurance coverage on the car.
If a cyclist runs off the road and hits a tree, however, there is no coverage beyond any of that optional coverage the cyclist purchased. And it’s pricey even with the state’s helmet law that presumably lowers an insurer's exposure -- $50 to $75 per $5,000 of coverage.
Even with the helmet law, that exposure is high. According to the Michigan Catastrophic Claims Association, motorcycle owner assessments make up less than 2 percent of the total paid into the fund annually. Motorcycle injuries, however, account for more than 7 percent of the medical claims.
With no helmet, the insurance risk rises and the cost of that $100,000 in coverage is likely to be more than it is now, but Peter Kuhnmuench of the Insurance Institute of Michigan said he’d have to check with his members to find out how much.
“The consequences of a person’s decision not to wear a helmet is borne by all of society through higher insurance costs, lost productivity and increased health care costs,” said Kuhnmuench.
Given the connection between insurance costs and the helmet law, Gov. Rick Snyder says he wants it all tied up in a broader look at no-fault insurance in Michigan.
“We’re having some internal dialogue now and with some groups out there about what parts of auto insurance we can work at to make it part of a broader reform package,” Snyder said today.
That would be doable unless the the Legislature first sends a stand alone helmet repealer to his desk. Procedure holds that the House can't take up the Senate bill until next week at the earliest. Lawmakers are scheduled to break for the summer on Thursday.
Sen. Roger Kahn, R-Saginaw Twp., fought for $250,000 in minimum coverage. Emergency room treatment and a surgery alone can cost $60,000 alone, said the cardiologist. Beyond the cost he said: “Simply put, allowing Michigan residents to ride without a helmet is putting their lives at risk.”
Backers said wearing a helmet should be a matter of personal choice. With or without a helmet, said Sen. Tom Casperson, R-Escanaba, “riding a motorcycle can be inherently dangerous.”

 

[gjco]

Most days I choose to wear a helmet. A few days I don't. I appreciate having the option in my state........:thumbup:

I agree 100%

 

[hotmanali]

I have been riding fro 12 years and I can't imagine NOT wearing a helmet. Most accidents out there on 2 or 3 wheels are not the riders fault so why not add another level of safety. I understand the wearing shorts or t-shirts or even flip flops when cruising the beach but never not a helmet.

Still a very sad incident but you have to think about the trauma if it does happen.

 

[Bill Soderlin]

Helmet Laws

I believe in FREDOM of choice. I have riden over fifty years. Almost half of that time without a helmet. Mostly in my young and stupid years. A lot of my riding time now in in Del. and Pa. states where I could go helmetless, but I wear my helmet. I fact I proably would still wear it if Md. went lidless. I don't care if you want to wear your helmet 24/7 even to bed you have that right but that choice shoul be yours. I am lucky enough to have insurance to the point I will never be a drain on the public. Lives would also be saved if we all wore helmets in cars, but that won't happen because law makers and thier wives would be incoinvienenced. I am also a member of NRA and a Vetern wio believes in freedom.

 

[Bob Denman]

I believe in FREDOM of choice. I am also a member of NRA and a Veteran wio believes in freedom.

:agree: You can't legislate common sense...
I wish that the report on that accident had a few more details. The estimated spped at which this occured might have been important; (even though the killing fall was probably only four or five feet.) The Police would probably have seen enough to render an opinion on survivability that had at least some validity.

 

[wyliec]

:agree: You can't legislate common sense...
I wish that the report on that accident had a few more details. The estimated spped at which this occured might have been important; (even though the killing fall was probably only four or five feet.) The Police would probably have seen enough to render an opinion on survivability that had at least some validity.

I checked the different write ups and this one had the most; but, nothing about speed:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap...DtFRQw?docId=c8cd24dbcab84836a8a396bbb6bca410

bonecrusher,

Do you know if there has been a study making a comparison of head injury statistics for motorcyclists in states with optional helmet laws and states with mandatory helmet laws?

 

[SteveMac]

Agreed...obesity, smoking, etc...lifestyle choices should not be covered...as a society, with now close to 40% of our population overweight and with all the illnesses that go along with that, should work harder to stay healthier...in all facets of life.

Being that this is Independence Day I just had to respond. What you are saying here Bonecrusher results in a very slippery slope. Where does it stop? For you it might stop with everything that you personally feel is unsafe or is "adverse to society" but there is always someone higher up on the food chain who thinks up something that will affect you needs to result in declined coverage. Then your opinion will change.

No. Too many men and women have died to provide freedom for us all for us to begin so easily casting it away.

When you begin that process you may only be a generation away from saying that certain ethnicities or only those of a certain age should be covered because it is too costly or just because someone higher up decided it should be so.

 

[wyliec]

Being that this is Independence Day I just had to respond. What you are saying here Bonecrusher results in a very slippery slope. Where does it stop? For you it might stop with everything that you personally feel is unsafe or is "adverse to society" but there is always someone higher up on the food chain who thinks up something that will affect you needs to result in declined coverage. Then your opinion will change.

No. Too many men and women have died to provide freedom for us all for us to begin so easily casting it away.

When you begin that process you may only be a generation away from saying that certain ethnicities or only those of a certain age should be covered because it is too costly or just because someone higher up decided it should be so.

On the one hand I agree with you and then on the other hand I can agree with bonecrusher.

I work in the 'healthcare' field and on a daily basis I see injuries and surgeries that may have been avoided with lifestyle changes. But, in the end there isn't a one size fits all answer. I just go to work; do my thing; shake my head; and go home when I am done.

 

[Bob Denman]

Let's face it; NONE of us fit into that cute little mold that creates kind, obedient and altruistic citizens. Our one common characteristic is our individuality.
Freedom of choice allows us to make both poor and great decisions... :2thumbs:
Like this one...

 

[bone crusher]

I checked the different write ups and this one had the most; but, nothing about speed:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap...DtFRQw?docId=c8cd24dbcab84836a8a396bbb6bca410

bonecrusher,

Do you know if there has been a study making a comparison of head injury statistics for motorcyclists in states with optional helmet laws and states with mandatory helmet laws?

Not sure...this would not make for a good study anyway...reason is because if most everyone in the 'optional' state wore helmets, it would skew the results. Plus, you'd have to break down all the crashes (don't like using the word 'accident' as it's not appropriate terminology) and see what was hurt. You could more easily just look at head injuries from motorcycle crashes for those who wear helmets and those who do not...however, this has already been done over and over again...there is really no case on the other side.

It's like the law with wearing a seat belt. Sure, if your car goes over a bridge and the seat belt doesn't release, you're in trouble...but in the other 99.999% of cases, the seat belt is going to protect you. Same with a proper helmet...I think people like to be daring...so be it...just do it on your dime...

I think this comes down to simple safety...head safety is paramount.

 

[bone crusher]

Being that this is Independence Day I just had to respond. What you are saying here Bonecrusher results in a very slippery slope. Where does it stop? For you it might stop with everything that you personally feel is unsafe or is "adverse to society" but there is always someone higher up on the food chain who thinks up something that will affect you needs to result in declined coverage. Then your opinion will change.

No. Too many men and women have died to provide freedom for us all for us to begin so easily casting it away.

When you begin that process you may only be a generation away from saying that certain ethnicities or only those of a certain age should be covered because it is too costly or just because someone higher up decided it should be so.

Slippery slope? Please don't be paranoid and this has nothing to do with Independence Day...come on...nobody in uniform has died for our country protecting car or motorcycle rights...this is a simple safety issue...like seat belts, anti-lock brakes, airbags, car seats, etc...

A flaw with your argument is that underage drivers DO pay more for insurance...why? Because it's been proven they're far more dangerous behind the wheel. You know those actuarialists? They're good at this stuff...it's also been proven that not wearing a helmet leads to far more problems.

I don't mind if people don't want to wear a helmet...just do it on your own dime. I don't want taxpayer money or insurance money (because our premiums go up) covering someone who is now not functional and in a hospital for years...this is a case of it's nobody's fault but your own.

For me, it's the same with cigarette smoking. We all know the hazards...if you smoke and get lung cancer, too bad...take care of yourself. It's nobody's fault but your own.

What is wrong with personal responsibility? I don't understand... One reason this country has major issues is because anytime something happens, it's someone else's fault. People need to be responsible for their actions...period!

 

[Mr. White]

I spent 29 years in the military so you have choices in your lifestyle. If legal and you do not wear a helmet, so be it. Isn't is great you have a choice.

I started riding in 1948 and wore a football helmet...there were no motorcycle helmets then, or at least not in my area. My buddies laughed at me until one hit the curb with no helmet and his Mother had to feed him with a spoon and wipe the cereal off of his mouth as he slobbered....not a nice sight.

I wear a FF helmet...365/24/7 ever since they were available. I have had one accident. I was at a stop sign, with my feet on the ground and a 21 YOM citizen rear ended me...distroyed my Wing, broke six ribs, lots of road rash on my leg, and three huge gashes in my helmet....My brains would still be on the road with no helmet.

I felt good when the policeman asked me if I knew my name and what happened. I responded "George Lewis and I was hit from the rear". He said, "I am glad you were wearing a helmet, it is a mess but your head isn't."

'nuff said.

:spyder2:

 

[Bob Denman]

I don't mind if people don't want to wear a helmet...just do it on your own dime. I don't want taxpayer money or insurance money (because our premiums go up) covering someone who is now not functional and in a hospital for years.
What is wrong with personal responsibility? People need to be responsible for their actions...period![/QUOTE]

So very much of your argument makes GREAT sense... in a perfect World... There always seems to be somebody out there who wants to redistribute everything so that everybody is the same. :gaah: We rail against it, but just don't have the ability to get them to see things our way...
In a larger venue... America is The Land of Opportunity; we are all given the same opportunity with our very first breaths. Some folks want to use it to the fullest; good for them! Others will squander theirs and look for a way to change the ground rules of the game in mid-stream...

Bone C... I completely understand your frustration at how things are played out...Shoot; I agree with about 95% of what you say... It just would never work with the way things work today... :cus:

Back off the soapbox... I'm gonna go play in traffic while drinking tequila! :roflblack:

 

[SteveMac]

Slippery slope? Please don't be paranoid and this has nothing to do with Independence Day...come on...nobody in uniform has died for our country protecting car or motorcycle rights...this is a simple safety issue...like seat belts, anti-lock brakes, airbags, car seats, etc...

A flaw with your argument is that underage drivers DO pay more for insurance...why? Because it's been proven they're far more dangerous behind the wheel. You know those actuarialists? They're good at this stuff...it's also been proven that not wearing a helmet leads to far more problems.

I don't mind if people don't want to wear a helmet...just do it on your own dime. I don't want taxpayer money or insurance money (because our premiums go up) covering someone who is now not functional and in a hospital for years...this is a case of it's nobody's fault but your own.

For me, it's the same with cigarette smoking. We all know the hazards...if you smoke and get lung cancer, too bad...take care of yourself. It's nobody's fault but your own.

What is wrong with personal responsibility? I don't understand... One reason this country has major issues is because anytime something happens, it's someone else's fault. People need to be responsible for their actions...period!

Not being paranoid bro. Just saying that it is not possible to define a stopping point. I am an overweight guy who does wear a helmet doesn't smoke and doesn't drink to extreme. So it would be a easy for me to pick and choose what everyone else gets covered for but I simply am imperfect so I can't make that choice for others.

Yes, kids have higher incidences of accidents and pay more I don't dispute that. People who exceed the speed limit probably have higher incidences of accidents than those who don't speed. Have you ever exceeded the posted limit? If so perhaps you shouldn't be covered if you are in an accident. In states where it is legal to go without a helmet how can you say that should not be covered, but a person illegally speeding should be?

Women have higher incidences of breast cancer, blacks have higher incidences of high blood pressure… should those not be covered?

Again, it is easy to point to things to not cover if you don't fall into that group, but that will eventually come home to roost.

People who have served this country didn't do so for specific rights or freedoms that you or anyone else should choose. They paid the price for FREEDOM. The singular.

We just disagree on this. Not being paranoid. We both just have an opinion. Thank God neither of us have ultimate power. LOL!!

At least we agree on being SpyderLovers.

Peace bro and have a great 4th!

 

[Sny]

How is it alright for them to comment and speculate on something they have no proof of ??? Oh ya, they are the cops and speculation is what they do best. :yikes::yikes:

Sounds like you don't have a lot of respect for the men in uniform... I'm sure you have your reasons...

That said, it also sounds like no matter what they say you will pick it apart and use it against them.

How do you know they have no evidence? The article doesn't need to prove anything. News is all about speculation these days, very little is factual and objective. If the news wants to poke fun at an unfortunate situation and use it to support their own opinion, they can and do... and did.

Feel free to hate the reporter for their abuse of the situation. But don't use it as an excuse to discredit law enforcement. There's plenty of factual ways to do that.

What if the department claimed that he would likely have survived because he had almost no injuries anywhere else in or on his body? He landed head first.

My family makes a habit of bouncing their heads off the pavement, always with a helmet, and we're all still alive to talk about it... and bitch about our insurance

Keep it cool, keep it real, no need to sling mud just for the sake of slinging it.

Sorry if I'm throwing gasoline on a fire... I'm a bit of a pyro... :doorag:

 

[MouthPiece]

Perhaps we should be wearing them when we drive our cars?:dontknow:

Chris

 

[Bob Denman]

:thumbup: :shemademe_smilie::shocked: