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I talked with BRP for a rebate for 2013 to 2014
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cuznjohn
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when i wrote to brp i also asked about a incentive program for the 13's with heat issues toward a 14 rt and they said there is no program. lets face it they are in a catch 22, either they get stuck with a bunch of 13 rt's or they just say we are working on it and that gives them an out because they are trying to fix the problem with heat tape. god forbid someone gets burnt bad because of a bike and sues them than i think they will pay more attention to the problem, i just hope that doesn't happen to anyone
when i wrote to brp i also asked about a incentive program for the 13's with heat issues toward a 14 rt and they said there is no program. lets face it they are in a catch 22, either they get stuck with a bunch of 13 rt's or they just say we are working on it and that gives them an out because they are trying to fix the problem with heat tape. god forbid someone gets burnt bad because of a bike and sues them than i think they will pay more attention to the problem, i just hope that doesn't happen to anyone
a friend of mine at work bought a spyder based on my recommendation .that was before the plastic gears that power the oil pump in my 2009 GS SE5 failed .i was very relieved when she told me she got a 2012 and not a 13 model .as it is , when people ask me i tell them about the problems i have had and let them decide .but i tell them flat out not to buy a 13 model .the dealers must be full of them because of this heat issue .you could not give one to me , so i dont know what they are going to do with all the traded in 13 models when the 14's are available.after a while i would think BRP will have to offer huge rebates to get them out of the dealerships .
3 Wheel Addict
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I have had the heat issues from day one and my wife will not ride on it till something is done. I swapped out my fog lights with original vents and this did help but now I don't have fog lights, and this is also a Band-Aid! I don't have to have a 14 but I demand that my 13 be FIXED not just covered up with "sticky aluminum foil"! I also have a case number and have been waiting for a call from BRP but nothing so far!
Jackspyder
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Please keep us posted.
Dan McNally
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Someone had posted in another thread about the drop in temps he got by removing the fog lamps that came on his RT and replaced them with grills to increase airflow under the Tupperware. Is the solution to the hot air inside the tupperware as simple as replacing the fog lights with a grill to allow more airflow? Does anyone who is experiencing the excess heat under the Tupperware not have the fog lights? This is not about the hot foot from the radiator, but the heat inside the tupperware. If it is that simple, perhaps BRP would comp 2013 owners with the grills or offer a deeply reduced cost to have a dealership remove the fog lights and install grills . . . just thinking . . .
ottawa-rider
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If you mean by "upgrades", the 1330 cc triple engine and six speed tranny, then, the answer is no, that is exclusive to the RT for 2014.
charles4690
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I talked with Brp for a rebate
I was curious if you ever received an answer to this post from BRP
Every manufacturer builds vehicles which don't meet the buyer's expectations. Back in the early 70's, Chevrolet sold the Vega with aluminum cylinders and chrome steel piston rings. As can be expected, engine longevity suffered, although virtually all of them made it to the point where the warranty ran out. Chevrolet gave those Vega buyers no special deals concerning their Vegas.
BRP never guaranteed that you wouldn't feel heat on the :f_spider:. There was an implied warranty, however, that any heat that built up under the tupperware would not be a safety issue. Having determined that there was a safety issue, they did what every other manufacturer of motor vehicles has done at one time or another. They initiated a recall and installed a fix at no cost to the consumer.
For the record, the issue is not hot tupperware. The issue is melting master cylinders and vapor canisters. It is unreasonable to expect BRP to do anything more than resolve the issue by ensuring that the fix keeps master cylinders and vapor canisters from melting. Other vehicle manufacturers have not given special rebates to the owners of their vehicles which have been recalled. Neither have they refurbished recalled vehicles to make them newer models.
As adults, we have to realize the world is not a perfect place and companies are in business to make a profit. It is not unusual for a manufacturer's product to fail to live up to the marketing hype. Many of us have :f_spider: that we feel have excessively hot tupperware. While penning a rant about it may make us feel better and possibly alert BRP to an issue, it won't change the hot tupperware. We can either keep helplessly ranting about it or do something about it. In a post in the DIY forum, I posted my solution to the hot right foot problem when using highway pegs. I also noted that my sheepskin provided insulation and kept the seats, chestnuts and thighs comfortable. As I noted there, now I don't have no steenkin' heat problem.
BRP never guaranteed that you wouldn't feel heat on the :f_spider:. There was an implied warranty, however, that any heat that built up under the tupperware would not be a safety issue. Having determined that there was a safety issue, they did what every other manufacturer of motor vehicles has done at one time or another. They initiated a recall and installed a fix at no cost to the consumer.
For the record, the issue is not hot tupperware. The issue is melting master cylinders and vapor canisters. It is unreasonable to expect BRP to do anything more than resolve the issue by ensuring that the fix keeps master cylinders and vapor canisters from melting. Other vehicle manufacturers have not given special rebates to the owners of their vehicles which have been recalled. Neither have they refurbished recalled vehicles to make them newer models.
As adults, we have to realize the world is not a perfect place and companies are in business to make a profit. It is not unusual for a manufacturer's product to fail to live up to the marketing hype. Many of us have :f_spider: that we feel have excessively hot tupperware. While penning a rant about it may make us feel better and possibly alert BRP to an issue, it won't change the hot tupperware. We can either keep helplessly ranting about it or do something about it. In a post in the DIY forum, I posted my solution to the hot right foot problem when using highway pegs. I also noted that my sheepskin provided insulation and kept the seats, chestnuts and thighs comfortable. As I noted there, now I don't have no steenkin' heat problem.
stewartj239
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I too get asked the same question quite frequently. I do not have the heat issues and it seems that most people don't have them either. However, you can't guarantee somebody that their bike won't have them which is why I do caution them as well.
I still question whether the problem could be because the ECM is running the FI too lean on some bikes. Seeing that some people are posting pictures of ghost white plugs and melting parts seems to me that that could be the culprit. My 2013 is running rich which is why I don't have any of the problems (IMO).
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3 Wheel Addict
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Could be :dontknow: There has to be a reason that some of us are having the issue and others are not and I guess that's as good a reason as any???
stewartj239
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That's all I can figure. For those people who know they are running lean, you're stuck because you can't change the ECM. However, Dyno Jet just released a Power Commander for the 2013 which can be used to fix the lean condition. It's not cheap, but it is cheaper than burning up the bike. Here's the link:
http://www.powercommander.com/power...rod-type=Powercommander V (Fuel and Ignition)
I think my 2013 is running rich too, if the black smudge on the inside of the exhaust pipe is any indication.
Didn't you have a melted master cylinder????? pull yer head out of the sand.
Magdave
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Yes I posted no deal. See your dealer ( Pat BRP response).
Joe, didn't mean to sound harsh,
FB's bike has been in the shop as much as she has had a chance to ride it... and we really like to RIDE! I have been riding for 52 years... and the ONLY times I have EVER had a bike on a trailer was to take a spyder to a shop to get it worked on...
I really want her to have a 'Road Worthy' bike, that will make a 25,000 mile ride without having to go in for issues. Of course there will be maintenance, but I'm talking about issues that shutdown a road trip....
I am very disappointed with the '13 spyders, and feel that BRP has fallen WAY behind the scale for a bike they advertise as a "sport/tourer" or a touring bike. If we were making 25 mile beer runs, it might be the right bike.
I don't think we got what was advertised and what we paid for.
I'm really glad some of you are having no problems with your 13's... but it does not diminish the issues some riders are having.
FB's bike has been in the shop as much as she has had a chance to ride it... and we really like to RIDE! I have been riding for 52 years... and the ONLY times I have EVER had a bike on a trailer was to take a spyder to a shop to get it worked on...
I really want her to have a 'Road Worthy' bike, that will make a 25,000 mile ride without having to go in for issues. Of course there will be maintenance, but I'm talking about issues that shutdown a road trip....
I am very disappointed with the '13 spyders, and feel that BRP has fallen WAY behind the scale for a bike they advertise as a "sport/tourer" or a touring bike. If we were making 25 mile beer runs, it might be the right bike.
I don't think we got what was advertised and what we paid for.
I'm really glad some of you are having no problems with your 13's... but it does not diminish the issues some riders are having.
cuznjohn
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interesting
that is very interesting because i am dealing with them now on the heat issue and asked for a rebate towards a new bike and they said no, but they are going to try and fix my bike since i sent them my heat readings and i got a call today from them that they told my dealer to look at the cooling system, fan, coolant, stat, and everything else they can do to try and fix it
that is very interesting because i am dealing with them now on the heat issue and asked for a rebate towards a new bike and they said no, but they are going to try and fix my bike since i sent them my heat readings and i got a call today from them that they told my dealer to look at the cooling system, fan, coolant, stat, and everything else they can do to try and fix it
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