I have had enough "spyder loving" from non 2013 owners

[Some Guy]

Am I a psuedonym? :yikes:

No more than I am!!! :roflblack:

I'm just Some Guy...just sayin'...

 

[Magdave]

My opinion.... it's good to hear from folks that do not have problems too!

This thread title says it all.

Let the 2013 people "tell their story" but don't bash on one of them if their opinion differs from yours!

Just trying to keep this post good so that future buyers read straight up info. This thread should not turn into an argument!

My .0001 cents


Bob

I saw the post that everyone thanked and agreed with to ATTENTION TO ANYONE NEW TO SPYDERLOVERS FORUM it was a slam to those of us that are struggling with a hybrid that was clearly not well thought out or tested. That is what brought this thread almost none of those people even own a a 2013 I think one did.

 

[SNOOPY]

No more than I am!!!

I'm just Some Guy...just sayin'...

At least you're a guy, I'm just a dog.

 

[Magdave]

I think I'm done with Spyderlovers . . . at least for the time being. When I made the simple suggestion that someone might make some money selling an affordable scoop, similar to Veritika's, it turned ugly. I don't need to argue with mindless :cus:s who hide behind a psuedonym on a website . . . I have better things to do. Perhaps, after sleeping on it, I may be back . . . but as it stands now, I'm done. I have really enjoyed this forum, and so many of the folks that post here . . . but I retired to take stress that was killing me out of my life and don't need any more added by that sort of person. The best to all of you. Dan.

Don't give up Hayfield we need you, you do have some insight don't let the bashers win.:thumbup:

 

[rojodawg]

Am I a psuedonym? :yikes:

I think they make a cream for that now. :shocked:

Lighten up folks, we are all fellow spyderlovers here, and despite the reality that some of our rydes have more problems than others, I can't believe that anyone wishes any ill will to anyone else on the forum. It's ok to be passionate about our expensive toys, but we can express different opinions without demeaning others. Just saying. :doorag:

 

[Some Guy]

At least you're a guy, I'm just a dog.

Hey now...I actually happen to look a lot like my avatar!!! Although, there are many here that would say I have whiter hair and it's shorter! :roflblack:

However...many people at many of the events I attend only recognize me because of the tie-dye! nojoke

(I even wore a tie dye get up to work today for the Halloween stuff...with a tie tied around my head!...sorry...no pics..I'm smarter than that!) again nojoke

 

[finless]

At least you're a guy, I'm just a dog. [URL="http://media.photobucket.com/user/dana51581/media/snoopy.jpg.html[/URL]

I think it is not nice to just post something irrelevant like this. Personally I think it is a little disrespectful to those that want to make a point and you just post something that has nothing to do with the subject. :lecturef_smilie:

I mean really... what if you wanted to post and explain and people posted crap like that? How would you take it?

I think I am done trying to help moderate this a little. Some seem to not care about others and pollute their posts.

I happen to run a few forums and posts like that would get moved to another post real fast! I don't delete peoples posts but when they go off topic and make a thread unreadable and unuseable by many, I move them to another post where guys can do things like this.

You guys are NOT IN ANY WAY... BEING CONSTRUCTIVE to this post and the OP that posted it! :lecturef_smilie:


Bob

 

[OldCowboy]

Glad you are having good luck with your spyder...... so I guess the rest of us that are having issues should just go away????? Pretty narrow minded of you... Thanks for your concerns...

No, I don't think you should just go away. I understand some of you are having terrible problems with your Spyders. But I think it's counterproductive to simply excoriate BRP for not coming up with a fix. Let's put our heads together and try to find some solutions.

When I bought my 2007 Harley Road Glide, users were having huge problems with heat on the right leg and thigh, especially in stop and go summer traffic. People wearing long pants were still getting second degree burns. Harley Davidson was not doing anything to help us. They certainly weren't going to buy our bikes back because we had hot thighs. It didn't take long to figure that part of the problem was a mixture that was too lean. So, folks bought Power Commanders and similar devices to richen up the mixtures. That helped some, but the nature of the beast was that there was no way the rear cylinder could be properly air cooled at low speeds. So a couple of mom & pop shops figured out how to add a shield to protect the right thigh. Even then, low speeds and stop and go traffic was still a b*tch. However, it was ludicrous to believe Harley Davidson was going to do anything to buy back those bikes or provide monetary relief for a trade-in to an improved version. Eventually, Harley Davidson redesigned their electronics to shut down the rear cylinder when the bike was stopped.

So, what can WE do to improve the situation for those who have problems? Is it a problem with the mixture? Will a Power Commander or Juice Box help? Clearly, the exhaust is routed too close to the gas tank. What can WE do to make that better? Does heat reflective tape on the gas tank help? How about heat wrap for the headers? Or ceramic coating...does this work better than heat wrap? We know the catalytic converter creates huge amounts of heat. We also know that most states don't test motorcycles for emissions. So, does replacing the cat with a straight pipe improve the situation? What about the exhaust gaskets? The BRP design appears to have less than optimal performance. Will replacing them with the Honda gaskets improve the heat problems?

I think we all need to recognize that raising he11 at BRP on Spyderlovers is not going to solve the problem. So, rather than constantly excoriating BRP, let's work together to try and figure out how WE can resolve these issues.

 

[Some Guy]

I think it is not nice to just post something irrelevant like this. Personally I think it is a little disrespectful to those that want to make a point and you just post something that has nothing to do with the subject. :lecturef_smilie:

I mean really... what if you wanted to post and explain and people posted crap like that? How would you take it?

I think I am done trying to help moderate this a little. Some seem to not care about others and pollute their posts.

I happen to run a few forums and posts like that would get moved to another post real fast! I don't delete peoples posts but when they go off topic and make a thread unreadable and unuseable by many, I move them to another post where guys can do things like this.

You guys are NOT IN ANY WAY... BEING CONSTRUCTIVE to this post and the OP that posted it! :lecturef_smilie:


Bob

Someone needs a nap! This is and always has been a friendly site. I've been a member for quite a while and this is type of thread not abnormal.

If you want a truly critical, straight forward technical forum, then start your own.

Lamont knows very well how to run a forum. ...'nuff said...

 

[finless]

Someone needs a nap! This is and always has been a friendly site. I've been a member for quite a while and this is type of thread not abnormal.

If you want a truly critical, straight forward technical forum, then start your own.

Lamont knows very well how to run a forum. ...'nuff said...

Yea... no moderation to keep the subject in scope!
Fun is fun, but moderation to keep good threads with good info on track is lacking here in my opinion!
Not trying to tell Lemont how to run his house but things like this just make it hard for people to find good info and not have to read through trash!

I am done with this... I hope this thread stays on topic.

Bob

 

[Magdave]

Someone said BRP needs more time to develop VS GM they have only been making bikes for 5 yrs. Well they have been making Ski Doos since 1959. It isn't a big leap to put wheels on one to make the Spyder. Have you seen a new one it looks the same as a Spyder except it has skis and a belt instead of a rear tire so time is up, they need to get their dealers competent and fix their dangerous products instead of managing the fire risk, they need to be able to answer a tech question when a customer calls instead of telling them to see a dealer who know less about the issues than we do. I don't need a case number I need an answer or someone to talk to that knows something about the product they sell. This is 2013 not 1959. When you call them ,email or PM them to call you they should be doing it within 24hrs My $25k should have bought that much service.

 

[Magdave]

Someone needs a nap! This is and always has been a friendly site. I've been a member for quite a while and this is type of thread not abnormal.

If you want a truly critical, straight forward technical forum, then start your own.

Lamont knows very well how to run a forum. ...'nuff said...

If you and Snoop wanna play please take it to off topic This is my thread and I really would like to keep it on subject. I do not want any Ice Cream.:thumbup:

 

[Some Guy]

If you and Snoop wanna play please take it to off topic This is my thread and I really would like to keep it on subject. I do not want any Ice Cream.:thumbup:

It's already in PM mode.

I apologize for the interruption (it would piss me off if someone had done it to my thread)

 

[Daisyjoe]

I have really seen enough 2013 owner bashing forum posts and telling people to ignore us. Obviously the 10,11,12, owners are the ones who are starting these threads. Have your bikes had melt downs that lead to them catching on fire? I have posted all the flaws BRP made in the 2013 and will do it one more time. Bad shocks, bad ball joints, moving components that obviously caused them to possibly burn up. Outlaw has proven the factory alignment to be flawed. Do I really need to go on. I am sick of people who do not own the 2013 telling us we are whiners. Yes the DPS was a big issue on earlier bikes but that was pretty much it. Yes they blow heat out the black hole just as all RTs have done but there is something more going on. BRP took a new frame and put an old engine in it that was never designed for it and then dumped the poor design on the dealer with an $6-8k discount ruining any chance we had at upgrading. I cannot take a $8-10k Loss in 3 months due to BRP's poor effort. Unless you own one you know nothing about what we are dealing with. I would really appreciate owners of previous model year just stop it. You are clueless about the the issues we have. If you want to know go trade yours in and helps us out. You can get $6-8k off what I paid and help us out. No takers? I cannot get any tech questions answered by calling BRP and that is just plain stupid the answer they give is "see the dealer" and we know there are maybe 4 or 5 in the whole country that even have a clue

I can see solutions to a lot of the problems but BRP will not pay for them or even call me as I have requested via PM to Steve. I worked for GM for 25 yrs and have never seen such a screwed up (even GM ) customer support system and lack of dealership oversight. So until BRP comes up with the correct solutions I think the non 2013 owners need to slack off and quit telling people to ignore the obvious problems we 2013 owners are going through. Maybe they will get fixed but if we shut up and say nothing they never will. There are solutions but who should pay for them the guy that just laid down $25 k or the builder of a defective product. I think the answer is obvious. The 2013 is BRP's Toyota run away car problem and I could care less if it takes them until June to trot out the 2014 they need to REALLY fix the 2013 first. That is just my humble opinion and yes I enjoy riding it but am paranoid about it thanks to the engineers poor performance in fixing the problems with tin foil insulation that is NOT the fix and we all know it. If BRP is trying to go bankrupt the 2013 is a good start.

Let the bashing begin I can give you a list of who will start that too if you like...and almost none are 2013 owners.:banghead:

When I took my bike in for the recall, it had a melted master cylinder, vapor canister and purge valve. It only had 3900 miles on the odometer. I parked the bike, after BRP issued the statement on SL, for 4 weeks. The shop manager told me he was SO glad I did not continue to ride the bike. Recall complete, insulation added, and pipes wrapped. Two weeks later, while on a ride, the heat on my thighs became so intense I folded a T shirt to get some comfort to continue the ride home. The heat did not go away. I cannot enjoy riding. It is painful. In more ways than one!! BRP needs to step up to the plate and make it right for those of us who have inferior machines. The shop manager told me that my bike was the only one that had any melted parts so that clearly shows that not all the bikes have the same issues! I have never complained about the heat on my right foot. I can live with that. It's the volcanic heat rising around the glove box and the sides of my seat that causes me problems. I own a 2010 RS and I have never had a problem. It is an awesome machine. Fun to ride and drive. That is why I bought another one, a very expensive one! Listen to us BRP. We have very real, legitimate problems. Problems that need to addressed. Well that is my rant for the night.

 

[Chupaca]

Too many ruffled feathers..!!

this is like a fireworks barge on fire. Things are going off in all directions...boils down to:
Those with problems/issues and those without problems/issues. I am sure no one here does not feel for those that are having problems. If not with our spyders or some vehicle or appliance we have all had problems. I also understand that those with problems are not pleased to hear from those that have no problems because it all seems unfair. But to get a true picture you need both sides. If we add all the problems these machines have had since they were introduced there should be a lot more angry people here. Problems were solved, repairs made and many fixed them up on their own. 2013's are the latest and therefore the freshest (and not the only ones to catch fire) and seeing as we live in a fast paced through away world solutions will seem like forever. 2014's are now supposed to roll out late December and you are going to see a whole new set of problems. Soooo ya'll keep posting treat each other right or not I will keep reading a nd posting regardless for this is still the best site spyder ever..!! jomo hyea:

 

[Sny]

You talk about Spyder fires like they were an every day occurrence. They are not. I know of only two 2013s that have caught fire. Vehicles that use flammable liquids as fuel occasionally burn up.

Exactly how many is a good number of fires to have?

3 out of some 2500 2013's sold? That seems rather high considering it's 3 in less than a year of ownership. At least one of which had less than 1000 miles on it.

Hundreds of melted master cylinder caps spraying flammable fluid on hot exhaust... so if it doesn't burn up, you just crash into something because you have no brakes or mushy brakes?

These aren't comfort issues. We aren't being "picky" or overly "alarmist". These are serious design issues.

2013 owners have every right to be upset and desire a response and action from BRP. Right now we've been told "there is no problem" and "suck it up" from other Spyder owners and BRP alike. Not the most pleasant place to be.

 

[Sny]

And I had the melted parking brake cable at the Owner's Event also in June.

My MC cap melted at the owners event (on the dragon) with 2000 miles on the clock. The BRP tech (won't mention names...) basically said "yep, I told them this would happen..."

 

[hotglue]

No, I don't think you should just go away. I understand some of you are having terrible problems with your Spyders. But I think it's counterproductive to simply excoriate BRP for not coming up with a fix. Let's put our heads together and try to find some solutions.

When I bought my 2007 Harley Road Glide, users were having huge problems with heat on the right leg and thigh, especially in stop and go summer traffic. People wearing long pants were still getting second degree burns. Harley Davidson was not doing anything to help us. They certainly weren't going to buy our bikes back because we had hot thighs. It didn't take long to figure that part of the problem was a mixture that was too lean. So, folks bought Power Commanders and similar devices to richen up the mixtures. That helped some, but the nature of the beast was that there was no way the rear cylinder could be properly air cooled at low speeds. So a couple of mom & pop shops figured out how to add a shield to protect the right thigh. Even then, low speeds and stop and go traffic was still a b*tch. However, it was ludicrous to believe Harley Davidson was going to do anything to buy back those bikes or provide monetary relief for a trade-in to an improved version. Eventually, Harley Davidson redesigned their electronics to shut down the rear cylinder when the bike was stopped.

So, what can WE do to improve the situation for those who have problems? Is it a problem with the mixture? Will a Power Commander or Juice Box help? Clearly, the exhaust is routed too close to the gas tank. What can WE do to make that better? Does heat reflective tape on the gas tank help? How about heat wrap for the headers? Or ceramic coating...does this work better than heat wrap? We know the catalytic converter creates huge amounts of heat. We also know that most states don't test motorcycles for emissions. So, does replacing the cat with a straight pipe improve the situation? What about the exhaust gaskets? The BRP design appears to have less than optimal performance. Will replacing them with the Honda gaskets improve the heat problems?

I think we all need to recognize that raising he11 at BRP on Spyderlovers is not going to solve the problem. So, rather than constantly excoriating BRP, let's work together to try and figure out how WE can resolve these issues.

Dude... I've been riding and building bikes for 53 years.....I KNOW about modifications. So... what modifications that void my warranty should I do? The bike runs WAY too lean, This is a BRP issue... Power Commander does not have a fix for it or I would spent the 500 bucks plus dyno time to dial it in to fix it. Remove the cat????? I'm too lean already and no way to richen up.. Pipes are wrapped... tank is shielded gas is still boiling and gas cap is 170F plus at 70f degrees ambient temps ... bandaids are not going to fix the problem... WE HAVE BEEN PROACTIVE... If you don't have the issues..good for you but we have them and you will not understand, as has been demonstrated.. I really think you are missing the point.... FB LOVES her spyder.... she just wishes she could ride it.... If you are offended by those of us that are having issues.... Well That's your problem... bypass the post, read something else. As glad as I am that you are completely satisfied with your spyder.... understand that some of us are having issues that need to be addressed and are not at all satisfied.... it's not all peaches and roses in the spyder world... to think otherwise would not be a true vision of what is happening to some spyder owners. Good Luck... I feel no need to try to defend to You why we are not pleased with the spyder. I really feel my time would be wasted. We are looking at ways to have the spyder made right, but fear heat damage has already taken a toll and the bike's life is shortened.
So We will continued to ride as we can, if we complain, you will have to put up with it, We do have a 5 year warranty, and I suspect that BRP will be very glad when it is out of date. At 25 to 30K mile a year, I don't expect the spyder would last that long anyway. But it would be good to have a road worthy bike during it's life span.

 

[AZLife]

"We all Share a Common Bond"

I would like to add my 2 cents to this thread by simply listing a few famous quotes:



"We all share a common bond"

"Can't we all just get along"

"I have decided to stick with love. Hate is too great a burden to bare"



And with that, does anyone else have anything to say or can we please just end this thread with those quotes and move on to new, more productive threads that will help ALL US Spyder OWNERS!

 

[HuckFin]

Don't want to upset anyone here, but I really love my 2013....Best fun investment I have ever made.