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I give up! What is the bulb in 2014-15 ST Limited fog light?

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Columbia

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Greetings
I've scoured the interwebs, this site and Canam's parts fiches on more than one site. The factory manual says "bulb." Pictures in the manual show a halogen which makes a 90 degree turn at its plug/power socket, like an H8 or H11.
Only the ST Limited came with installed fog lights. The model seems to be as rare as chicken lips. Info sources are equally rare.
Anyone know?
I'd like to sort this before I start removing body panels. The headlight is easy: 1) shrink my hands (or find a child with hands) 2) remove instrument panel 3)swap out bulbs. Voila!
Many thanks.
Columbia
 
Sorry unable to test to confirm at the moment, however the fogs on St were two part. So lil easier access to bulb didnt have to replace to find out. Just had lil gap annoying me. Take closer look & heck try reaching in from back, believe was also possible.
 
Regardless of the year, I believe that the ST's Fog Lights were the same as, and used the same globes as ALL the other North American (US & Canada?) spec Spyder model Fog Lights, so if you've been restricting your search to just ST's, you shouldn't need to. If it's a North American spec 2010-2019 Spyder Fog Light, then the globe to fit any of the models should work, IF you can reach it... maybe that'd be easier if you took the Frunk completely off the front of the Spyder, but IIRC, it's still a bit of a pain, regardless of model/frunk removal, especially on the left! 😖

I'm not sure that any EU/Aus spec globes for what you call the 'Fog Lights' will work tho, so I'm not gonna be much help for globes; those things you call 'Fog Lights' are our Low Beam lights here in Oz & in Europe, and your 'Headlights' (which use a shutter to allow High/Low) are our single function High Beam Headlights. :rolleyes:

Mind you, I dunno why you all over there in the US seem to prefer the term 'bulb' for lights - here in Oz, 'bulbs' will grow if you plant them in the ground and water them! 'Globes' are the things that emit light when you add power! ;)
 
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First: THANKS TO ALL OF YOU!

Hmmm. Around here a "globe" can be a small sphere, modeling the earth, usually mounted at an angle and able to spin. Ain't vocabulary fun??

I have learned through further interweb scouring, that it's an H8 35-watt halogen, AKA 9005, AKA quite a few other numbers.

"Fog" light is a misnomer, too. Fogs, while usually lower power, e.g. 35 watts on my Spyder, are usually also mounted closer to the road surface. Up high, as on my Spyder, they do a poor job of illuminating the roadway under the fog. Studies have shown that white light is preferable to yellow for best fog light effectiveness.

I want yellow conspicuity lights, akin to my ADV-bike riding comrades. I've come close to cagers, some who later claimed, "Sorry, mate, I didn't see you!" (look for "SMIDSY" on you tube; the Brits have some great advertising on same) while noticing that the bikes with bright yellow lights in front STANDING OUT quite loudly.

I intend to add real fog lights, down low, when I change the bulbs in the existing "fog lights" to amber LEDs.

A few additional questions: I'm no electronics guru. The Spyder's H8s are 35 watts. If I add, say, a 50 watt bulb (or globe or the gizzie that shines brightly) is that going make CANBUS go nuts? The globes or bulbs I'm considering say "CANBUS compliant." Accurate statement? Only God knows for sure. Same for additional lighting. OR does the globe being an LED change the equation? Do the sellers say "50 watt bulb" to mean "50 watt if it were a halogen" or "this LED draws 50 watts, buddy"? Anyone know?

Oh: the parts fiche point to what looks like a halogen bulb with the part number saying "not available."
 
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I'd be juuust a little wary of installing any light with greater wattage in any Spyder headlight or fog light assembly! :oops:

Now admittedly, it does get bloody hot here in my part of Oz, but Australia wide, Ozzie Spyder Owners have had an ongoing problem with the lenses &/or 'glass' in Spyder light assemblies going a milky yellow over time/use, and this discolouration is on the INSIDE of the assemblies!! 😖

But well beyond just that, I had a much more concerning occurrence - some years ago, after a few hours of riding slowly with my headlights on high beam on a pretty hot day (it was a Christmas Toy Run/Parade thingy & I think the BoM temp was about/above 42°C-ish, and there was a lot more heat reflecting back up off the road surface, with little or no cooling breeze due to the slow speed we were parading at...) once I made it home, I discovered that I'd ended up with a hole that was large enough for my thumb to easily pass thru melted completely thru the polycarbonate 'glass' in the focus spot of each of the High Beam headlights with the standard factory fit OEM light globes fitted... They were replaced under warranty without any hassles, but I shudder to think about what could've happened if I had higher wattage (& therefore higher heat emitting) a/mkt light globes installed! :eek:

Just Sayin', but I certainly wouldn't recommend anyone installing higher wattage light globes in any of the OEM light assemblies on any Spyder/Ryker! :rolleyes:
 
Uh, yeah. Wouldn't want THAT to happen! Yours was a halogen, correct? Still curious about wattage and LED globes. See what I did there? You have a profound influence, Peter. Getting an American to change his verbiage or to show any respect for someone from another nation and their word use? Whew!
I'll keep your lasered globe in mind. thanks for relating your experience. Not a great Christmas gift, that.
 
According to the Always Correct Internet, an 18 watt LED is the equivalent of a 100 watt halogen. (Wait a minute. Another site says a 70 watt halogen is equal to an 18 watt LED.) Hmmm.
And this is watts, not actual heat output.
Do I trust the internet? (Not usually. More research is clearly called for.)
 
Peter Aawen said:
I'd be juuust a little wary of installing any light with greater wattage in any Spyder headlight or fog light assembly! :oops:
Just Sayin', but I certainly wouldn't recommend anyone installing higher wattage light globes in any of the OEM light assemblies on any Spyder/Ryker! :rolleyes:
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I agree 100%! I was at a non-dealer spyder and UTV/ATV repair business, and a customer came in with a spyder wanting more light and more powerful bulbs installed on his spyder. The owner/mechanic told the customer that it would be a mistake. Installing more powerful bulbs would eventually (ie; quickly) make his spyder start to melt and drip on the ground. WOW The mechanic told the customer his best and safest option would be to install aftermarket lights and housings on the swingarms between the front wheels and the spyder's body. One day ago, I passed an oncoming 2 or 3-wheeled, something or other, that had 4 HIGH INTENSITY yellow lights that could have been seen by the astronauts in the space
station. I'm assuming it was one of these guys riding a sport touring bike. They all now seem to be running these super yellow lights.
 
I know halogens generate heat. I had some Cibie 100 watt halogens, six inches in diamaeter, on a 79 Volvo 242. Could roast marshmallows on that light. Lit up half of Kittitas County.
I am puzzled by how LED globes are rated/evaluated. Some have cooling fans built in, which is suggestive of their heat output. Others use passive cooling, but most all have some cooling mechanism at work.
I've learned that when a globe manufacturer says "70 watts" the meaning is "35 watts per bulb/globe." The same with that slippery number of lumens. Forty thousand? Not really; it's 20 lm per light. Advertising demands the higher number.
I've closed in on a few different LEDs, all at 3000K color temperature and all 35 watts each, or lower. Lumens vary.
So it goes.
 
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