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Hugely disappointed in BRP - Spyder five now Spyder three.

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I must say I was very disappointed too when I heard the news. I wouldn't want to have been the guy that had to make that call.

It would have been much easier for me if they just dropped the whole program. I feel undeserved when compared to these guys and like I said before I wouldn't have wanted to be the one to make that call, there was no clear choice but for sure Faran would have stayed if I had a say just for what she offers to first time riders and the ladies. I do know that both these guys will still be doing what they do, just not in an official capacity. They will always be celebrity SpyderLovers to me. :doorag::bowdown::firstplace::firstplace:

I've seen all the back and forths on this site and on the Facebook page and my take is that this was a valid decision that was poorly executed. I don't know what the agreements with Fran and Mickey said but I would assume they had ending dates. Apparently they got to retain the machines and were able to travel extensively, so they got a lot of benefit from the deal.

Like Lamont I think it may have been better received by the Spyder community if all the ambassadors had been released. For BRP to say they are embarking on a new program but leaving 3/5 of the present program in place is a poor marketing move IMO.
This smacks of a corporate decision that didn't have much input from folks closer to the customers.

I was hoping to meet both Faran and Mickey at the June Maggie Valley meetings and maybe I still will have that opportunity.

This is a sensitive issue but I'm certain that the upper level folks at BRP have already figured that out.
 
It is sad to see the demise of THE SPYDER 5 (BRP's dropping of Micky and Faran). I can understand that any good corporation must look at all expenditures on a cost to return basis. I am sure it is relatively simple accounting process to determine a cost for each of the Spyder 5, but it must be difficult to determine their return value.

And while it is popular to bash corporations for looking at their bottom line, there simply would not be a workable free enterprise system producing great products at reasonable prices without it. Sentiment is a great thing but corporations that operate too heavily on it are doomed to fail.

I can frankly see why BRP was tempted to eliminate Mickey. I know that sounds harsh and it isn't meant in any way as a derogatory remark against him. I've met Mickey and he is a great guy and a great pick. He is friendly, outgoing, articulate and a really nice guy. He worked as hard as anyone to live up to his appointed position. My hat is off to him.

But his 'Uniqueness' factor was not high. What I mean by that is you already have 3 other, diverse, knowledgeable males involved here (though not 'Young'). I know this may sound mean but I'm trying to put myself in BRP's shoes.

Putting myself in those same shoes I do not understand cutting Faran. Ok, so I like Faran, but you have to admit she is a very likable person, just as is Mickey (who I've already stated I like as well). But IMHO Faran brings a lot more to the marketing table.

She is female and there is a huge (and growing) female ridership on the Spyder. More than this, I think female ridership is different than with any other open air road vehicle on the planet. I think ladies on Spyders generally consider themselves to be equals with male riders. I just do not see this on Harley's, for example. Motorcycles are generally considered to be a man's realm. I know there are exceptions, maybe quite a few, but I'm talking about the big picture.

Before I get myself it too much trouble, I just want to say I know there are ladies on Harley's (and everything else) that can go toe-to-toe with the best men. But is this the overwhelming norm? I don't think so.

In contrast, ladies on Spyders are a force to be reckoned with. I don't mean this as a male female competition necessarily. What I mean is that not only do the ladies feel like equals, men, for the most part, also consider them equals.

Ok, so I'm doing a very sorry job of conveying what I am trying to get at here so I'll just cut to the chase. Faran was (IMHO) the perfect blend of attributes to both represent existing Spyder riders and encourage those who might be considering owning a Spyder.

When corporations make a high profile move like cutting back on the Spyder 5 it sends a message to both existing and potential customers (just like it did when they appointed them). Now this cut isn't getting the marketing hype that the appointments did, but it is still going to send a message. The question that BRP has to answer is; what message?

Some are going to take this as a BRP corporate attitude of not caring about their female customer base. How else can you look at it? I think it is a mistake and I hope BRP doesn't find out the hard way what a representative like Faran (the only female member of the Spyder 5) is really worth.
 
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IN TOTAL AGREEMENT

It is sad to see the demise of Micky and Faran. I can understand that any good corporation must look at all expenditures on a cost to return basis. I am sure it is relatively simple accounting process to determine a cost for each of the Spyder 5, but it must be difficult to determine their return value.

And while it is popular to bash corporations for looking at their bottom line, there simply would not be a workable free enterprise system producing great products at reasonable prices without it. Sentiment is a great thing but corporations that operate too heavily on it are doomed to fail.

I can frankly see why BRP was tempted to eliminate Mickey. I know that sounds harsh and it isn't meant in any way as a derogatory remark against him. I've met Mickey and he is a great guy and a great pick. He is friendly, outgoing, articulate and a really nice guy. He worked as hard as anyone to live up to his appointed position. My hat is off to him.

But his 'Uniqueness' factor was not high. What I mean by that is you already have 3 other, diverse, knowledgeable males involved here (though not 'Young'). I know this may sound mean but I'm trying to put myself in BRP's shoes.

Putting myself in those same shoes I do not understand cutting Faran. Ok, so I like Faran, but you have to admit she is a very likable person, just as is Mickey (who I've already stated I like as well). But IMHO Faran brings a lot more to the marketing table.

She is female and there is a huge (and growing) female ridership on the Spyder. More than this, I think female ridership is different than with any other open air road vehicle on the planet. I think ladies on Spyders generally consider themselves to be equals with male riders. I just do not see this on Harley's, for example. Motorcycles are generally considered to be a man's realm. I know there are exceptions, maybe quite a few, but I'm talking about the big picture.

Before I get myself it too much trouble, I just want to say I know there are ladies on Harley's (and everything else) that can go toe-to-toe with the best men. But is this the overwhelming norm? I don't think so.

In contrast, ladies on Spyders are a force to be reckoned with. I don't mean this as a male female competition necessarily. What I mean is that not only do the ladies feel like equals, men, for the most part, also consider them equals.

Ok, so I'm doing a very sorry job of conveying what I am trying to get at here so I'll just cut to the chase. Faran was (IMHO) the perfect blend of attributes to both represent existing Spyder riders and encourage those who might be considering owning a Spyder.

When corporations make a high profile move like cutting back on the Spyder 5 it sends a message to both existing and potential customers (just like it did when they appointed them). Now this cut isn't getting the marketing hype that the appointments did, but it is still going to send a message. The question that BRP has to answer is; what message?

Some are going to take this as a BRP corporate attitude of not caring about their female customer base. How else can you look at it? I think it is a mistake and I hope BRP doesn't find out the hard way what a representative like Faran (the only female member of the Spyder 5) is really worth.

I agree 110 % ..This is going to bite BRP in th AS* in the long run ....IMHO....Mike :yikes:
 
It is sad to see the demise of Micky and Faran.

I'm DEAD?!!
:roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:


In contrast, ladies on Spyders are a force to be reckoned with. I don't mean this as a male female competition necessarily. What I mean is that not only do the ladies feel like equals, men, for the most part, also consider them equals.

By the way, for anyone still reading this thread, I absolutely knew the ride would end one day and I am tickled to have been a part. Do I think BRP should have thought this through a little more and handled it differently, well, yeah. But it's not about me. It's about the female Spyder market that Ron tried to articulate on. I've seen lots of women riders on 2-wheels and like it or not, they do get treated as a bit of an anomoly. With the Spyder community, it's much different. I have some ideas why and think BRP could really capitilize on it; but at the end of the day they have to do what they think is going to make Spyder wildly successful. I'll cheer them on because when that happens, we all win.:doorag:
 
I'm DEAD?!!
:roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:




By the way, for anyone still reading this thread, I absolutely knew the ride would end one day and I am tickled to have been a part. Do I think BRP should have thought this through a little more and handled it differently, well, yeah. But it's not about me. It's about the female Spyder market that Ron tried to articulate on. I've seen lots of women riders on 2-wheels and like it or not, they do get treated as a bit of an anomaly With the Spyder community, it's much different. I have some ideas why and think BRP could really capitalize on it; but at the end of the day they have to do what they think is going to make Spyder wildly successful. I'll cheer them on because when that happens, we all win.:doorag:

:opps: :yikes: Sorry about that.... Designed to be taken in context but even so, reading that intro again I decided to edit it a bit.

I agree, we are all looking for the same thing. The success of the Spyder. Ok, it is already successful but anything can be improved upon and that is why this discussion.

I know the ladies in this event are still going to promote the ride because they believe in it. But I think it was great to have you out front and center as an icon (can I say that?) for a big segment of the customer base.

We'll all have to just wait and see what happens with no official female representation of the product.
 
Sorry to see both Mickey and Faran let go.

That being said, I purchased my spyder after seeing it on CSI miami; not b/c of who else drives/rides or promotes them. That's JMO. Someone mentioned it's going to bite BRP in the a**. I think the biggest thing to bite them (spyder sales) may be poor dealer service. Luckily, I have a good dealer.
 
We all have to make decisions which we later regret - For BRP - This will be one of them

My Spyder has a reverse gear - Come on BRP use yours and reverse this PR Disaster of a decision

These posts alone show the strength of feeling

I fully endorse and agree with the positive comments posted above

Micky and Faran I have never met you - yet I feel I know you both - Thanks and accept our best wishes for the
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So... Are we going to start sending emails to the good folks at BRP over this?
Does anybody have some good email addresses where they can be sent?
 
So... Are we going to start sending emails to the good folks at BRP over this?
Does anybody have some good email addresses where they can be sent?

Jane posted this on GOS

Johanne DenaultManager, Corporate CommunicationsTel: +1.450.532.5173 [email protected]

Corporate Communications Valérie BridgerSenior Communications Advisor726 Saint-JosephValcourt, QuebecJ0E 2L0CanadaT: 450.532.5107
[email protected]

North America Operations: Chaz Rice, Manager Public & Media Relations, Can-Am, 600 Park Avenue, Valcourt, Quebec, Canada JOE2LO (OR) Email: [email protected]

CEO of BRP - Jose Boisjoli Corporate Communications location only address mail to Jose Boisjoli OR when calling, 405-532-5107 and ask for CEO, Jose Boisjoli.
[email protected]

Yves Leduc
Vice President
General Manager of North America
[email protected]

75 J.A. Bombardier
Sherbrooke, Quebec J1L 1W3
Canada

Bernard Guy
Vice President of Marking for Can-Am
[email protected]

Tom Riley
Marketing Director Can-Am Spyder
[email protected]
 
Don't know about the e-mails Bob, but I do know that the GOS (Girls on Spyders) community has been hitting BRP hard with messages on their (BRP) Facebook page. By the way, there are 481 women registered on that Facebook page. I know there are way more women than that who ride Spyders.

I guess we've beat this one up pretty well. There are many comments pro and con and most are pretty good comments. I can now see both sides of the argument here. And to echo a line from Lamonts post, I wouldn't want to be in the shoes of the person who made this decision. I do agree that the women should be represented by one of their own. It only makes sense. Look, no one knows a woman better than another woman. However, companies have to make decisions and some times those decisions are not popular. We can hope that BRP would reverse that decision, but it's not likely. We'll just have to wait and see what direction they will be going with the Spyder3, and where they will go with their advertising. IMHO, they need more of it, they need to update the TV spots, and the print ads. When we were at the motorcycle show in Charlotte a few weeks back several of us worked as hard if not harder than the sales reps selling the Spyder. In fact one of those sales reps told Bruisersbaby to go with it, because she knew more about the ride and handling than he did. That's another side of BRP that I'm not going to go into because it's not relevant to this topic.

We have not had the opportunity to meet Faran or Mickey. Only on this site. But to us they are as much family as everyone else here. I know that they will continue to support this site and the Spyder community. And we look forward to seeing them both soon. I know that we, as a community, will continue to enjoy why we are all here and together we will support each other. Do I think this will hurt Spyder sales? I can't say for sure but I don't think so. There are other things I feel will hurt sales but that's not for here. To Faran and Mickey I can only wish them the best.
 
Okay guys the message has been heard loud and clear at BRP so why don't we wait and see from here. No need to carpet bomb them with emails and for sure I don't want all the BRP emails posted on this site. This post is closed for now and and it's time for the feeding frenzy stop. Trust me when I say this is being revisited by BRP. Enough said.
 
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