How many times can a Spyder be turned on & off between tries without failure?

[seaweed]

How many times could a 2015 Spyder be started with it turned off between tries without a failure. The amount of time is about the time to put on riding gear, jacket, helmet and gloves:
2 times?
3 times?
4 times?

I will give the reason for the question later.

 

[JayBros]

IMO, it depends on the age of the battery, it's key-off voltage at the time of the first start, the length of time it runs before each turn-off and restart and whether the throttle is blipped or held for a time at increased rpm above idle, and the key-off voltage before each subsequent restart. Just my WAG.

 

[Peter Aawen]

How many times could a 2015 Spyder be started with it turned off between tries without a failure. The amount of time is about the time to put on riding gear, jacket, helmet and gloves:
2 times?
3 times?
4 times?

I will give the reason for the question later.

:gaah: That question is basically impossible to answer with a meaningful number except to say it SHOULD be more than once!! Anything else is sooo dependent upon such a VAST range of variables that it is truly impossible to put a definitive number on it! :lecturef_smilie:

But knowing WHY you ask might make a meaningful answer slightly more possible... :bdh:

 

[racoon]

Some time back I ran across a question on another forum that was asking a "how many times" kind of question.
The answer I liked best was:

One, two, three...many!

 

[CloverHillCrawler]

IMO, it depends on the age of the battery, it's key-off voltage at the time of the first start, the length of time it runs before each turn-off and restart and whether the throttle is blipped or held for a time at increased rpm above idle, and the key-off voltage before each subsequent restart. Just my WAG.

Throw in the temperature of the battery at the time of start as a variable and you pretty much get a wide choice of answers.

 

[Bfromla]

Well hopefully least 5-10m between tries giving starter time to cool a touch. Had stall issues from bad evap & yup killed a starter $$$:banghead::barf:

 

[Little Blue]

How many times could a 2015 Spyder be started with it turned off between tries without a failure. The amount of time is about the time to put on riding gear, jacket, helmet and gloves:
2 times?
3 times?
4 times?

I will give the reason for the question later.

I have a Tip.
Three strikes/starts and I am done.
As others have posted nothing good about smoking a Starter or something else.
Depending on your location and frustration level.
I would call for Help.

Bottom line is always about the money.

I would like to hear 'your thoughts/comments'.

Have good day.

 

[LongIsland]

When I first read this I immediately thought 1.2 million tries. Then I gave it due consideration and decided 53 because that is the number of years we are married and have not had a failure yet!!!

Waiting for the reason as I may have to change my guess.

 

[broderp]

Such a loaded question. I love it. :2thumbs:

Battery and starter circuit age and wear all come to mind.

My Spyder has less than 1300 miles on a new battery that's on a tender when not being driven daily. I would expect it to start (without doing calculations for battery discharge and start up current draw etc.) about 16 times before it started bogging down, maybe 22 times before it won't start.

:cheers:

 

[BajaRon]

I don't know that there is a good answer to this question, so I'll not offer one. I'm here for 'The Reason' this question was asked. Now that intrigues me greatly!

 

[broderp]

I don't know that there is a good answer to this question, so I'll not offer one. I'm here for 'The Reason' this question was asked. Now that intrigues me greatly!

:agree: opcorn:

 

[EdMat]

I will give the reason for the question later.

The suspense waiting for the reason is................

 

[Mikey]

Come on, spill the beans!!!!opcorn:

 

[Peter Aawen]

Seaweed, this is a pretty pointless thread without a reason for asking such an open-ended question, so maybe you might want to let everyone in on said reason sooner rather than later... :banghead:

 

[seaweed]

I am awaiting for my Spyder to get out of the shop. There was a "limp home fault" is the reason that it is the shop. Along with some servicing.
It was to be ready lats Friday. I never got out of the parking lot before I had the fault again. They put in a Yuasa bs battery, but I believe that they did not charge it up enough.
I had started it up, then turned it off, to get my gear on, then turned it off again (not sure why I did that), but on 3rd attempt it failed.

So I am still awaiting my Spyder. If it fails again then I want a new battery!!!

So that is the reason for my question!

 

[BajaRon]

3 consecutive starts on a new battery is not too much to ask. And low voltage at startup will certainly throw codes and possibly a Limp Mode. Hopefully, the dealership will make it right. You should check the Cold Cranking Amps rating for the battery they used. It needs to be at least 300 CCA.

 

[seaweed]

This all started with this:

https://www.spyderlovers.com/forums...e-today-12-Error-Codes!&p=1715627#post1715627

I had added a bit of oil as it was showing below the bottom mark. Went for a short ride to warm up the oil and recheck oil. Short ride is the understatement. One mile down the road and Bang. Limp home and no gear. Could not restart nor get it to any gear.

I gave up with playing phone tag with the dealer and dropped in this morning. The tech said they do no work on any bike that old (2015). He said that he had also gone for a short ride and got 4 miles away then it went into limp mode, at least he was in 4th gear.

If cussing was allowed on this forum this page would be BLUE.

 

[Mikey]

Did he say what they did? Did they check the charge of the battery they put in, did they do a load test?

 

[seaweed]

They did say that the battery was completely charged up. Load test - not sure.
They only have one tech for Spyders and he said that if he had 30 hours maybe he could find the problems.

 

[Peter Aawen]

This all started with post https://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?161063-Well-I-got-a-Limp-Home-Mode-today-12-Error-Codes!&p=1715627#post1715627
I had added a bit of oil as it was showing below the bottom mark. Went for a short ride to warm up the oil and recheck oil. Short ride is the understatement.
One mile down the road and Bang. Limp home and no gear. Could not restart nor get it to any gear.

I gave up with playing phone tag with the dealer and dropped in this morning. The tech said they do no work on any bike that old (2015). He said that he had also gone for a short ride and got 4 miles away then it went into limp mode, at least he was in 4th gear.

If cussing was allowed on this forum this page would be BLUE.

If you've been starting the Spyder up like that for anything less than 30 minutes of running, and you've been doing it repeatedly, on an already 'possibly not fully charged battery', then there's a very good chance that even if your (supposedly) new & fully charged battery can now hold 12+ volts of resting charge, but as soon as it's loaded up by the cranking load AND trying to start & run all the computers & electronics, the available voltage drops below 12 v and you get this cascade of failures and codes!! :gaah:

I've found more and more often that 'Normal' load testers that often suggest anything over 10.5 v means the battery is 'good' JUST DON'T WORK for our power hungry Spyders, and on top of that even a new battery that's been exposed to frequent starting loads WITHOUT then running sufficiently long enough before shut-down are very likely to fail internally - if it wasn't fully charged before installation and you then did that just the once it could cause an internal failure, AND there's also the chance that the new battery ALREADY had an internal failure anyway!! :banghead:

From what you've told us here and in the other thread, my money would, at least initially, be on a dead battery!! I suspect that replacing the battery with a properly prepared and fully charged battery will make a big difference, if not solve your problems completely!

And if it does, just don't go starting it and shutting it down repeatedly without giving it a good run every now and then; or at least putting it on a battery tender overnight once a week or so!! :lecturef_smilie: