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helmet warranty sucks

You should have a 3 year warranty on the helmet. It's just the shield that has a 1 year warranty.

Really not a bad warranty package at all. Most shields don't last even a year with scratches, etc.

But I guess it all depends on how you take care of it, how much you ride and what you're running into.

Hope Scorpion helps you out. But if they don't they still lived up to the agreement.

Damn, I can't believe how short these helmet warrenties are, I've always spared no expense when it comes to buying a helmet. My Arai come with a 5 year warrenty and it includes everything. Any problems, ship it back and they replace the helmet, no questions asked. You get what you pay for.
 
Damn, I can't believe how short these helmet warrenties are, I've always spared no expense when it comes to buying a helmet. My Arai come with a 5 year warrenty and it includes everything. Any problems, ship it back and they replace the helmet, no questions asked. You get what you pay for.


If thats the case and I have to pay then i'll goto an arai then and use my old one as a jack stand or somethin.
 
You should have a 3 year warranty on the helmet. It's just the shield that has a 1 year warranty.

Really not a bad warranty package at all. Most shields don't last even a year with scratches, etc.

But I guess it all depends on how you take care of it, how much you ride and what you're running into.

Hope Scorpion helps you out. But if they don't they still lived up to the agreement.


Well thats good that theres a decent warranty on the helmet part.
 
If thats the case and I have to pay then i'll goto an arai then and use my old one as a jack stand or somethin.

You do realize that you are going to pay significantly more for an Arai helmet vs. the Scorpion don't you? Yes you do get what you pay for and it is great that the Arai comes with a 5 year warranty but make sure you are one to keep a helmet for 5 years first. I have the HJC Carbon Fiber and it was a more expensive helmet but I wanted a light helmet. You have to decide what is important and are you willing to pay for it. Good luck with whatever you choose.
 
Manufacturers recommend that you replace a helmet every 3-5 years. Their ability to protect is thought to deteriorate in time, and nobody tests old helmets to find out for sure. I would consider five years to be the outside, and replace my helmets by that time. Faceshield become scratched or fogged within a year or two, and I normally have to replace them a time or two before I retire a helmet. As to the seals, they require periodic maintenance, and eventually will harden and fail, especially if they are not maintained, or the helmet is left in the sun frequently. Unfortunately, all these things benefit the helmet manufacturer, and come out of our pockets. Even the most expensive helmets are a relative bargain these days, though. Based on the Consumer Price Index, the $100 Bell helmet I bought to protect my noggin in 1954 would cost nearly $700 today.
 
If you purchased your helmet with a VISA card you could have doubled the warranty time to 2 years on your helmet, at no extra cost......they usally double the manufacturers warranty, check it out.

Remember that when you purchase a helmet... it's all about the fit.
 
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If you purchased your helmet with a VISA card you could have doubled the warranty time to 2 years on your helmet, at no extra cost......they usally double the manufacturers warranty, check it out.

Remember that when you purchase a helmet... it's all about the fit.


Nope mastercard, but i'll check it through them.
 
Snell rating

A bit off subject but interesting article in the NY Times about Snell rated helmets. Appears we in America might be a bit behind the times and less safe with our helmets.
 
A bit off subject but interesting article in the NY Times about Snell rated helmets. Appears we in America might be a bit behind the times and less safe with our helmets.

The Snell debate is finally going in the right direction. Snell stared out as an automotive helmet testing agency which is a whole nother world from what a Motorcycle helmet needs to be.

Snell got into the Motorcycle helmet arena later but simply applied what they had learned in the automotive racing business to MC helmets. And even though evidence builds that MC helmets need to address different issues than automotive helmets, Snell's mind set has never changed. Not good for MC riders as the Snell requirements actually make a MC helmet less protective. Many DOT only helmets offer better protection than any Snell rated helmet.

It has nothing to do (necessarily) with production or materials quality, but with design.

Europe is much more MC concious than the US and has engineered their specs specifically for situations encounted by MC riders. Their helmet specs are superior to the current Snell requirements. Not because their engineers are better or smarter than ours. But because of the bull headedness of Snell and continued consumer support for whatever Snell does.

Like all big dogs, Snell has poo-pooed this for years with the head in the sand approach and "We know better than you" attitude. But reality has finally caught up with Snell and it appears they may be on the verge of actually doing the right thing. It is my hope that they will develop a spec criteria that will allow MC helmet producers to make safer MC helmets while being able to put the all important, consumer demanded, sales feature (a Snell sticker) inside the helmet.

So far, Snell has been much more successful at marketing their specs (convincing unsuspecting MC riders that Snell helmets are better) than they have been at actually producing better helmet protection for MC riders.
 
Interesting read.
The Snell rating has been a gold standard for auto racers for a while. When u think of it a motorcycle requirement is much different than that of a Hans deviced, simpson 5 point belted, roll cage racer. I swore by Snell in auto racing but can see the difference on the bike risk and the whole issue of the ability to still protect on the second and third hit in different spots on the helmet. Whats interesting is that even when Snell goes for the 2010 upped standard it will take years for the old rating to flush out of the system ..
You have to dig into the inside of the padding of the helmet to see what year rating it has.

Didn t know that .. great article.

If you have a $70.00 head ..buy a $70.00 helmet...
 
I just got a call back from the dealer that I bought the bike as well as $2500 worth of extras. I had a problem with the helmet that I bought, the scorpion exo-700. I have always used the extra visor with the drop down sunshade. A couple weeks ago it started building moisture in between the two layors. I sent the visor back with a friend that was going there(1400kms one way) I'm about 4 months over the one year warranty. BRP said no warranty, but I could but the visor for $70.... uh let me think I obviously waisted my money the first time so I don't think i'll be doing it again. Since then I had to put the stock visor back on, man is that loud with wind noise, almost unbareable; that and the first good rain that I rode in, it started leaking down the inside from the top. I guess i'm another person that got shafted by the BRP warranty. Other than that I liked the helmet.

My first helmet for the Spyder was the 700 also--- but I'm confused--- were you using the really thick dual shield--- with the sliding amber sun shade???? That's for winter use--- like snowmobiles. I now use the EXO 1000 with internal retractable sun shade and really like it. Also got a EX-100 1/2 helmet with retractable shield.

Really like them all--- now if I can just remember to wear them!:roflblack:
 
Interesting read.
The Snell rating has been a gold standard for auto racers for a while. When u think of it a motorcycle requirement is much different than that of a Hans deviced, simpson 5 point belted, roll cage racer. I swore by Snell in auto racing but can see the difference on the bike risk and the whole issue of the ability to still protect on the second and third hit in different spots on the helmet. Whats interesting is that even when Snell goes for the 2010 upped standard it will take years for the old rating to flush out of the system ..
You have to dig into the inside of the padding of the helmet to see what year rating it has.

Didn t know that .. great article.

If you have a $70.00 head ..buy a $70.00 helmet...

That is a good article and sheds some light on the "universally assumed" superiority of a Snell rated MC helmet.

Snell is the gold standard for Auto Racing and their standards work very well in that environment. That is why Snell is so highly revered worldwide. But that isn't the whole story.

In a race car your head, and what it will most likely hit, are very restricted. Blunt trama to the same place on the helmet is very likely in a race car accident. So you need a good hard shell to withstand multiple impacts to the same place on the helmet.

But this kind of event is very very rare in a motorcycle accident. The same place on the helmet is almost never struck twice and the g's encountered are usually higher as the head is unrestricted and the distance between head and impact point are greater allowing for greater accelleration between head and impact point. (Lovely stuff, I know, but it is what it is).

So whereas an auto helmet places a hight priority on helmet shell ingegrity and a lesser emphasis on head decelleration protection. These priorities need to be exaclty reversed in a motorcycle helmet.

It is a shame that Snell has not (to date) switched gears to accomodate the different environment encountered by the MC rider. Choosing, instead, to rely on their great name recognition to make their point instead of acknowledged science.

In this case, what is good for the Goose does not work well for the Gander.

A motorcycle rider actually wants the outer helmet shell to crush with impact, not stay intact as with an auto helmet. The crushing action allows the helmet to absorb impact (g's) which are very damaging to your brain.

DOT standdards come closer to this goal than do current Snell requirements.

The requirement for a good stiff shell adds more weight to the helmet than any other part. In a car helmet weight isn't as big a deal. But we all know what a heavy MC helmet does to us, especially on a long ride.

The shell doesn't necessarily need to be thinner, but needs to be less dense so that it will crush before brain damage is inflicted.
 
I have long been a proponent of the "head deceleration" based standard like the ECE 22. On the other hand, the strength of the Snell helmets has saved my bacon in race cars, and probably on cycles, too. I personally feel, from personal experience, that you are likely to sustain multiple blows, often in multiple places, in many accidents in either cars or on motorcycles. Both slow deceleration and a strong shell are important, IMO. I think the new Snell standards will be a step in the right direction, when and if they are fully implemented.

Ron is right about impacts from greater distances on a motorcycle...at least initial impacts. You are more likely to have an impact with a sharp or irregularly shaped object in a motorcycle crash, too. Perhaps the ideal situation would be have separate standards for auto racing and motorcycle helmets, but that would probably just add more confusion to an already muddy situation.

I no longer put great stock in the Snell vs. DOT vs. ECE debate. You can find good arguments on all sides. For now, the important thing is to wear an approved helmet that fits properly! From there on it is still mostly a matter of personal choice.
 
EXCELLENT THREAD!!!

I read some where that a manufacturer was designing the inside liner of their helmet do inflate like an airbag to custom form fit each individual head sounds like a good idea to me, anyone else read about this?

My exo-1000 does that.
 
I've read other articles that debate the value of a "Snell" rated helmet. Based on that, I chose to go with a Shark RSR2 because it is both DOT and ECE rated. Luckily, I don't know how well it works in an accident. However, I do enjoy the piece of mind.:thumbup:
 
the important thing is to wear an approved helmet that fits properly! From there on it is still mostly a matter of personal choice.

Well said!

I've been selling MC helmets now for over 10 years. I like to get into whatever I do and the helmet thing is no different.

Arai has done several studies in the area of fit and they have found that correct helmet fit is actually more important than helmet design and quality in the full face realm (to a point).

Of course a wll fit, well made, high quality helmet offers the ultimate in function and protection, don't get me wrong.

The disturbing news is that in every study Arai has done, about 70% of the non-professional riders choose a helmet at least 1 size too large for them. And many are wearing a helmet 2 sizes too large for a proper, safe fit.

There are many reasons for this including head shape. But the biggest reason seems to be an uninformed idea of how a properly fitted helmet should feel.

The most expensive helmet made is of little value if your head is rattling around inside like a marble in a cage.

My head size was a Medium by the sizing chart but I always wore a Large because the medium was just TOO TIGHT!

Working for the fire department and going to MC accidents where the rider lost their helmet during the crash caused me to look more closely at the whole issue.

Once I got used to wearing the proper size helmet (a Medium in my case) I was amazed at how much better the whole helmet experience and function became.

It took a bit of determination, on my part, as the proper size helmet seemed way too tight, hard to get on and off, etc. But it was all a matter of doing it right and changing my concept of what "Felt" right on my head.

Improper head shape is not uncommon. The terms 'Shoei Head', 'HJC Head', etc., come from people who understand proper head shape fit. The idea is to get the same amount of pressure (padding contact) for all areas of the head.

If you get the wrong head shape you'll get pressure points that will be very uncomfortable. The solution is NOT to get the next size bigger helmet to eliminate the pressure points! That's were most of us go wrong. The answer is to get a helmet that fits our head shape properly.

Arai is rare in that they make 3 different head shaped helmet (Round, Long Oval and Intermediate) so it is possible to find an Arai helmet that will fit you properly. This is not true of every helmet manufacturer.

But there are many great helmets out there and if you find a brand that fits you properly then you're on the right track.

I get customers all the time wanting an Arai helmet with a particular paint scheme. A customer may want a paint schemet that only comes in the Round shapped helmet but they need the Long Oval to fit properly.

What do they do? Do they get the correct helmet shape? NO! They opt for a larger size in the wrong helmet shape, just to get the paint scheme they like.

Now I'm no different than the next person. I want a good looking helmet. But you have to put your priorities in the right place.

Most people put more effort into deciding which windshield or muffler to put on their ride than they do into which helmet to wear. I am convinced that this is due not to a lack of concern but because people just do not understand what is required.

Many retailers are (unfortunately) more interested in selling the customer what they have than in getting the customer what they need. And many are no more knowledgable than the customer about what makes a good, safe helmet. It's more than price and a good paint job.

Just my 2 Cents.
 
My first helmet for the Spyder was the 700 also--- but I'm confused--- were you using the really thick dual shield--- with the sliding amber sun shade???? That's for winter use--- like snowmobiles. I now use the EXO 1000 with internal retractable sun shade and really like it. Also got a EX-100 1/2 helmet with retractable shield.

Really like them all--- now if I can just remember to wear them!:roflblack:


Winter...I cant get out of my driveway without 4X4, sertainly not the spyder. Its nothing for us to get 6 feet of snow overnight. Yes I use the dual shield for the retractable sun shade. That and now I know its quieter and doesn't leak.
 
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