Heat issue

[900Dave]

Let us in on your secret!

I see you just posted it, JT's also. I will have to look into it.

Today was my first day riding my Spyder at about 80 deg. I did not think the heat was too excessive but the gas smell when stopped has to be eliminated somehow. When I got back i decided to check the oil and I also did a fuel cap check. It was warm but I did not think it was too bad. I spun the cap off and I could not hear it boil but when I looked down in I could see a couple bubbles coming up so it was boiling ever so slightly. All I have done so far was to remove the 2 bottom panels which I do believe has helped. Next will be the CAT bypass as soon as Lamonster has them ready to ship. I think removing the cat is key, but if I could also get more airflow through the tupperware?? My fuel mileage also sucks! 3 fill ups this weekend nothing over 25.6:gaah:. I was not beating it either, just some casual cruising with my wife on board.

 

[kubie]

Jt's Air filter

Any one know if JT's air filter will fit the 2013 ST-S? It says GS/RS and RT But not ST....opcorn:

Thanks
Kubie

 

[TicketBait]

Under tupperware heat is now what one could describe as an acceptable norm. Puts an end to the poorly designed heat intensifying system the spyder came with. There had to have been a better way.

No smell of fuel on shut down or when stopped at a signal.

Requires less throttle roll on and provides better response from a much lower RPM. Can now gently roll on the throttle at 4K, as opposed to the previously required 5200 plus roll on point. < per my riding style.

Fully expect my fuel mileage will improve. Not because it is running leaner but, because the engine now requires far less throttle input in comparrison, and yields much better engine performance. With less throttle input.

A mod that is well worth the investment. Especially if under tupperware heat is an issue. Lots of pluses come with this mod.

JT's air filter.

Sorry I wasn't more clear. Was adding my thougts to the post that preceeded mine.

That is great Jer!!!

Any one know if JT's air filter will fit the 2013 ST-S? It says GS/RS and RT But not ST....opcorn:

Thanks
Kubie

Why don't you call them, and post it here in this thread tomorrow opcorn:

 

[garb55]

anyone that is having heat problems needs to think twice before they start heat shielding everything
First
if you have a bigger problem BRP is going to blame it on your home made shielding keeping the heat trapped under the plastic
I agree that BRP should be the one fixing this problem
But if you try home made remedies don't give BRP any reason to blame you

The heat under there is going to shorten the life of all the electronics and any rubber [hoses etc.] and plastic

If you do anything on your own try to give the heat a place to escape [maybe more vent openings and fans]

Just don't insulate and trap more heat

Only saying these things so people don't trap more heat and cause a fire and get hurt
Don

 

[Bob Denman]

:agree: VERY good advice! :clap:

 

[Questions]

JT's Air Filter for heat problem

JT's air filter.

Sorry I wasn't more clear. Was adding my thougts to the post that preceeded mine.

I've got a 2013 ST SE-5 with fewer than 10 miles on it. Had it delivered three days ago to Northern Virginia from Minnesota as even with shipping, it was much less expensive.

Only been driving it around an empty parking lot to learn skills before taking it out on the roads. I was told that the #2013-9 Service Bulletin was implemented before I bought it, but, it gets so hot that I can't keep my legs against the body of the Can Am.

I am in no way mechanically inclined, and have been doing my best to follow all the posts here on the heating issues. Would someone be so kind as to, in layman's terms, let me (us) know what you mean by "heat under the tupperware" and "JT's air filter," where the filter can be found, does it fit ST's, is it hard to install, and, which panels (specifically) were removed to help alleviate the problem?

I am indeed grateful for any assistance.

 

[3 Wheel Addict]

anyone that is having heat problems needs to think twice before they start heat shielding everything
First
if you have a bigger problem BRP is going to blame it on your home made shielding keeping the heat trapped under the plastic
I agree that BRP should be the one fixing this problem
But if you try home made remedies don't give BRP any reason to blame you

The heat under there is going to shorten the life of all the electronics and any rubber [hoses etc.] and plastic

If you do anything on your own try to give the heat a place to escape [maybe more vent openings and fans]

Just don't insulate and trap more heat

Only saying these things so people don't trap more heat and cause a fire and get hurt
Don

This is why I won't hack off the evap canister or remove the catalytic converter. I have wrapped the exhaust pipes and added more heat shielding to the tank but have not added or removed anything else.

 

[Jeriatric]

And it is not hot out.....yet

I've got a 2013 ST SE-5 with fewer than 10 miles on it. Had it delivered three days ago to Northern Virginia from Minnesota as even with shipping, it was much less expensive.

Only been driving it around an empty parking lot to learn skills before taking it out on the roads. I was told that the #2013-9 Service Bulletin was implemented before I bought it, but, it gets so hot that I can't keep my legs against the body of the Can Am.

I am in no way mechanically inclined, and have been doing my best to follow all the posts here on the heating issues. Would someone be so kind as to, in layman's terms, let me (us) know what you mean by "heat under the tupperware" and "JT's air filter," where the filter can be found, does it fit ST's, is it hard to install, and, which panels (specifically) were removed to help alleviate the problem?

I am indeed grateful for any assistance.

Everyone here wishes they had a deffenative answer to what ails some of the '13's heat wise. Many have taken hugh swings at resolving the problem. As best I know. None of them have championed a one size fits all fix.

As a non 13 owner. I'm personally leary about offering up advice on something I know no more about than what I have read here.

Am not coping out on you. Simply do not want to give you potentially bad information. I'm sure other 13 owners with heat issues, and possible fixes will chime in.

 

[Bob Denman]

I've got a 2013 ST SE-5 with fewer than 10 miles on it. Had it delivered three days ago to Northern Virginia from Minnesota as even with shipping, it was much less expensive.

Only been driving it around an empty parking lot to learn skills before taking it out on the roads. I was told that the #2013-9 Service Bulletin was implemented before I bought it, but, it gets so hot that I can't keep my legs against the body of the Can Am.

I am in no way mechanically inclined, and have been doing my best to follow all the posts here on the heating issues. Would someone be so kind as to, in layman's terms, let me (us) know what you mean by "heat under the tupperware" and "JT's air filter," where the filter can be found, does it fit ST's, is it hard to install, and, which panels (specifically) were removed to help alleviate the problem?

I am indeed grateful for any assistance.

First... :welcome:

The Spyders (2013s in particular), seem to suffer from two different types of problems with heat...
The first, is the perceived heat that the rider feels. :shocked:
This may be uncomfortable; but it's not as serious as...
The heat that melt plastic parts up under the plastic :yikes:
Reports of melted evaporative canisters and brake master cylinder caps are very well-doucmented in here.
BRP has a "patch" that involves wrapping the at-risk parts with heat barrier tape.
Others have also put the barrier around their fuel tanks, and wrapped the exhause pipes as well...
This is a good start; but we also pretty much believe that the amount of airflow under the bodywork needs to be increased.
And BRP has added some new hoodscoops on the 2014 models.
So... welcome aboard! Keep reading, and don't be bashful about asking questions! :2thumbs:

 

[NM Wrench]

New Panels

Has anyone been to the BRP site? They have a part number under custom accessories for the 2014 panel upgrade for 499.99. Does anyone know if this is a complete kit to change out the 2013 panels? Or do you need more parts? Thanks

 

[Barbie]

Bob,

The issue is around the seat, under the seat and this weekend I notice the gas tank being extremely hot, is so hot that if I have my winter gloves on I can feel the heat, I have to ride with my legs away from the bike.

Thanks for the information, I feel than BRP needs to go out their way to fix the issue not me, all the home made remedies may work but what is the bike blows up while I'm riding with one of my kids or me, then what is going to be BRP's response to that, is great that some of the fixes are working a bit wait till is 90 and humit.

Mine is in the exact same place. Under the seat and along the left side panel. I have to ride with my legs extended out or on the passenger floor boards. It's not even hot here yet. I am planning on riding to Gatlinburg in June.

 

[Bob Denman]

Has anyone been to the BRP site? They have a part number under custom accessories for the 2014 panel upgrade for 499.99. Does anyone know if this is a complete kit to change out the 2013 panels? Or do you need more parts? Thanks

:shocked: That sounds useful! :thumbup:

Did you happen to grab the part number? :dontknow:

 

[Questions]

Body Panel

:shocked: That sounds useful! :thumbup:

Did you happen to grab the part number? :dontknow:

It looks like the part number is 219400472. I talked to a dealer, and it seems like this part number refers to only the black "trunk" cover. But, looking at the photo, it initially looked like there were new air intake scoops on the side panels behind the fog light ports.

Maybe not... maybe these are already there on a 2013. Gotta look at my bike when I get home. Check out the photo.

Thoughts? :dontknow:

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[900Dave]

Just got off the phone with my dealer, called to set up an appointment for the laser alignment. I also took this oppurtunity to tell him that I just experienced the boiling gas. He aknowledged that he has started recieving more & more complaints about it and the gas smell. I am now looking at going with JT's air filter as I think this will help more than the Cat bypass will. I do not want to void my warranty. He is going to check with BRP and find out if removing the factory air box will void the warranty. He said he will call back this week. I will post an update.

 

[ARCTIC]

Just got off the phone with my dealer, called to set up an appointment for the laser alignment. I also took this oppurtunity to tell him that I just experienced the boiling gas. He aknowledged that he has started recieving more & more complaints about it and the gas smell. I am now looking at going with JT's air filter as I think this will help more than the Cat bypass will. I do not want to void my warranty. He is going to check with BRP and find out if removing the factory air box will void the warranty. He said he will call back this week. I will post an update.

I spoke to a dealer on the phone and they say cat removal fixes the heat problem. Does anyone have any real world experience to support or refute this claim?

 

[Bob Denman]

Removing the converter can't hurt the situation... :thumbup:
But is it a cure??? :dontknow:
My gut tells me that it's only a part of the problem.
You still have the pipes running real close to the fuel tank.
I continue to say what I've been saying; wrap the pipes, tank, evap canister, and get more airflow under the bodywork...
And removing the converter is also a good idea too!

 

[RBS66]

Just got off the phone with my dealer, called to set up an appointment for the laser alignment. I also took this oppurtunity to tell him that I just experienced the boiling gas. He aknowledged that he has started recieving more & more complaints about it and the gas smell. I am now looking at going with JT's air filter as I think this will help more than the Cat bypass will. I do not want to void my warranty. He is going to check with BRP and find out if removing the factory air box will void the warranty. He said he will call back this week. I will post an update.

What dealer are you using? I live in Morgantown I use Blackmans for service.

 

[900Dave]

That is my dilema, cat bypass or airfilter? Which one will help the most? I will not do both as that will lead to other problems. I did not wrap pipes. I have read on here some heat issues much worse than mine and they had there pipes wrapped.

 

[Bob Denman]

Dave,
If it was me (which it ain't!), I clear out the airbox.
My reason; it'll help allow some more airflow down through and around all of those vital areas of the bike...
The other heat attenuation procedures are much cheaper, (but more labor intensive!), and will work well with the airflow.
The converter... is an important piece too; but that's my story, and I'm sticking to it!

 

[900Dave]

What dealer are you using? I live in Morgantown I use Blackmans for service.

Me too! I am pleased with them so far.