Heat in the "cockpit"

[jaherbst]

:agree::agree::agree: .......I would have this issue - VERIFIED - using an infrared heat detector ..... if you are experiencing this , something isn't right ......Mike :thumbup:

I agree. Check the exhaust flanges. What is the engine temp? Running too lean? Fan not operating correctly? Radiator cooling fluid?

This is not normal! You should not need a vent kit on the 1330. Kits were designed to alleviate the heat problems on the 998 for 2013.

​Jack

 

[UtahPete]

I agree. Check the exhaust flanges. What is the engine temp? Running too lean? Fan not operating correctly? Radiator cooling fluid? This is not normal! You should not need a vent kit on the 1330. Kits were designed to alleviate the heat problems on the 998 for 2013.​Jack

Do you see a down side to installing the kit?

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

HEAT

Do you see a down side to installing the kit?

I think " Jack " meant to say " GASKETS " for the exhaust pipes ...... If one or more have failed on a 17 Spyder , I would expect that to be covered under warranty because they would be defective at His low mileage ............jmho.....Mike :thumbup:

 

[Easy Rider]

Why is this bike so much hotter than her 2013?

Need to find a solution or she won't be riding much.

TIA

I have a '17 RT and live in Florida.

I put the "deluxe" windshield with adjustable vents on it.
Also changed the lower side deflectors to their adjustable ones.
Having the shield DOWN some helps too.

But I don't notice that it is any hotter (while moving) than my bike with a fairing was.

One small note: I did notice hot air coming up between the front of the seat and the back of the "glove box". Put a strip of stick-on weather stripping there to stop that.

Based on your description, I suggest that the shop should remove the major side panels and inspect to be sure that something isn't out of place causing poor air flow in the engine compartment. Also check to be sure that the front air inlets aren't blocked.

My glove box gets a bit warm but nothing like you described.
IIRC, there is a thick foam insulation under it.


I assume that the engine temp gauge doesn't go above half way ??

 

[Easy Rider]

viiiball, Have you addressed this issue with Pitbull Powersports? Len and the crew may have some experience correcting this on your year/model already. Just a thought. But the kit should help whilst moving for sure. I suspect they could install this for you as well.

This machine is still under warranty, right ?
Why would you NOT insist that the dealer have a look at it ??

 

[KX5062]

My 2008 with the 998 engine was insane. It boiled the gas in the tank. I fixed it, but it took some doing. With my current 2014 RT with the 1330 engine, I too can't store my phone in the front glove box. It's so hot my phone will shut down too. I also tried storing a digital camera and it too shut down. It's not that unusual and has been a fairly common complaint for those that live in the warmer climes. I replaced the catalytic converter with the bypass, but the heat reduction was minimal. (That was more for the right foot than the glove box.)

I personally don't find it overly concerning, but I was coming from the 2008 that was horrible. The fix Utah Pete referenced should help. Also, removing some of the underbody panels would help, this was one of the fixes for the older bikes.

 

[jaherbst]

Do you see a down side to installing the kit?

Yes, the unnecessary expense.

Temps here in AZ reach 110-115* and they (vents) are not needed on the 1330. Something else is causing the excess heat and I doubt if the vents

would solve the problem.

Jack

 

[UtahPete]

Yes, the unnecessary expense. Temps here in AZ reach 110-115* and they (vents) are not needed on the 1330. Something else is causing the excess heat and I doubt if the vents would solve the problem. Jack

Yes, I know about riding in the desert. The heat coming off the asphalt when stopped in traffic is unbelievable. Air scoops probably won't make any difference.

 

[SpyderAnn01]

I’m pretty sure that on the 17 RT the acoustic panels have been removed, so you already have a big part of the 13 heat retrofit deal done. I’m like some of the others who never experienced heat issues with any of my RT, even in the Las Vegas heat.

 

[canamjhb]

I agree that you have something unusual going on. I don't feel any excessive heat from the bike here in Arid-Zone-A even when the temperature tops 100. I do remove the wind deflectors below the mirrors for warm weather riding. That allows a bit more wind flow over my knee and body area. A friend has adjustable deflectors and loves them but their cost has not appeared on my radar screen budget yet. Good luck finding a solution. I'll be interested in what you find out.....

 

[viiiball]

Temp readings from riding today

Went riding today and took a little outdoor thermometer with us to place in the glove box to see what kind of temp readings we are getting. When we started the thermometer read 76 degrees. After 30 minutes of riding, thermometer read 91, ambient outside temp was 71 and it was cloudy so no direct sunshine. I took readings as we stopped throughout the day but when we got "home" the thermometer read 116, outside ambient temp was 82 and it was partly cloudy so some sun some clouds but not all day bright sunshine. 116 is too hot to keep anything in that glove box. I've tried to attach pictures of all the above.
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So if something is "wrong" what should I do? Go to a dealer? Call BRP? We no longer live near the dealer where we purchased it.

Don't recall if I mentioned in any of my posts above but the wife has the vented windshield. Going to remove the air deflectors under the mirrors to give more air flow to her. And to answer some of you that inquired about engine temps, it never gets past 1/2 way. No indication that the engine itself is running hotter than expected.

 

[Bob Denman]

Have you asked your dealer to take a look at it yet?
The 1330s just aren't known for this problem... :dontknow:

 

[UtahPete]

Have you asked your dealer to take a look at it yet? The 1330s just aren't known for this problem... :dontknow:

Bob, it's not uncommon for fully paneled bikes to have problems with excessive heat on the rider. This isn't necessarily something the dealer or BRP would consider a warranty issue, since it doesn't affect the bike's performance or safety.

I remember some friends of mine had FJR's when they first came out and they loved everything about them except the cockpit heat at standstill.

Some of the Spyders have had issues with excessive heat coming out of the side vents and 'burning' the rider's leg. While BRP may take those complaints into consideration when tweaking the next model year, they're not necessarily going to offer up a solution to those riders who experience excessive heat.

So, for those who do find the cockpit heat bothersome, trying the '13 fix kit is an option, before going to more extreme lengths to get relief from the heat.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

HEAT ISSUES

Bob, it's not uncommon for fully paneled bikes to have problems with excessive heat on the rider. This isn't necessarily something the dealer or BRP would consider a warranty issue, since it doesn't affect the bike's performance or safety.

I remember some friends of mine had FJR's when they first came out and they loved everything about them except the cockpit heat at standstill.

Some of the Spyders have had issues with excessive heat coming out of the side vents and 'burning' the rider's leg. While BRP may take those complaints into consideration when tweaking the next model year, they're not necessarily going to offer up a solution to those riders who experience excessive heat.

So, for those who do find the cockpit heat bothersome, trying the '13 fix kit is an option, before going to more extreme lengths to get relief from the heat.

Well how come all the 1330 Spyders aren't excessively HOT ??????, why only a FEW .....doesn't make sense...... I stand by my other posts on this one ........ Mike :thumbup:

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

1330 heta issues !!!!

Went riding today and took a little outdoor thermometer with us to place in the glove box to see what kind of temp readings we are getting. When we started the thermometer read 76 degrees. After 30 minutes of riding, thermometer read 91, ambient outside temp was 71 and it was cloudy so no direct sunshine. I took readings as we stopped throughout the day but when we got "home" the thermometer read 116, outside ambient temp was 82 and it was partly cloudy so some sun some clouds but not all day bright sunshine. 116 is too hot to keep anything in that glove box. I've tried to attach pictures of all the above.
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So if something is "wrong" what should I do? Go to a dealer? Call BRP? We no longer live near the dealer where we purchased it.

Don't recall if I mentioned in any of my posts above but the wife has the vented windshield. Going to remove the air deflectors under the mirrors to give more air flow to her. And to answer some of you that inquired about engine temps, it never gets past 1/2 way. No indication that the engine itself is running hotter than expected.

As I said in my PM to you , I'm going to check my RT for this tomorrow .......... Mike :thumbup:

 

[UtahPete]

Well how come all the 1330 Spyders aren't excessively HOT ??????, why only a FEW .....doesn't make sense...... I stand by my other posts on this one ........ Mike :thumbup:

Mike, I think it has more to do with the rider than the bike. Some riders find that heat to be bothersome and some don't. My wife did, but I didn't.

However, there is no doubt whatsoever that the glove box heat is (or was) excessive in both bikes - to the point of making it unusable for electronics, chapstick or energy bars.

 

[DGoebel]

+1 what UP has been saying. He's done the '13 kit on TWO '14's and is happy with it.
Though my only experience is the difference between an "unfixed" 2012 and my "fixed" '13, the scoops keep my glove box at or below ambient temps. I've said this before, I can now carry a chocolate bar in my glove box on a 15 hr ride on July 5th last year through Iowa, High 90's all day, and it doesn't pour out of the wrapper.

I understand all the 1330 riders who say they have no heat issues, but have they put a thermometer in the Glove box like viiiball has and tested their bikes glove box temps? Their idea of no heat issues may not be viiiball's idea of a heat issue.

viiiball, hopefully you're getting Pit Bull to install it for you and that it solves your concerns. It's a relatively simple inexpensive fix for most RT owners.

 

[DGoebel]

My HOT is different than your hot. Just is.....

Well how come all the 1330 Spyders aren't excessively HOT ??????, why only a FEW .....doesn't make sense...... I stand by my other posts on this one ........ Mike :thumbup:

Mike, I know that you are blessed to live in one of the blissfully cooler more tree covered road regions of the country, and I think this has more to do with what each of us individuals thinks "hot" is. (I know you bring your Spyder down to Springfield too, but If a chocolate bar or energy bar melts in the glove box, it's too hot. If you never carry items like that in your glove box, then it's not a concern. Same with Jack's perspective and all those that have never had a heat issue.

I'd measure mine with a thermometer tomorrow when I take my wife out for (her choice) Mother's day Ribs and Ice Cream way over in Wisconsin, but it's barely gonna get in the 70's.
Riding with a buddy with a unvented 2012. Maybe we can two matching thermometers tonight and test them.

By the way, DO ANY OF you have the Insulated glove box liner still in? Mine took up so much space I yanked it .

 

[canamjhb]

Well, maybe it's all a matter of what we get use to living with. While I don't think there is excessive heat coming from the bike, I would never put chapstick or energy bars in ANY enclosed compartment in ANY of my vehicles. That is a recipe for melt down where I live. Personally, I don't think a 30 degree rise from ambient temperature in a small enclosed compartment is unreasonable for any motor vehicle. I carry chapstick in my pocket and chocolate in my belly and never have any problem.....

 

[UtahPete]

Well, maybe it's all a matter of what we get use to living with. While I don't think there is excessive heat coming from the bike, I would never put chapstick or energy bars in ANY enclosed compartment in ANY of my vehicles. That is a recipe for melt down where I live. Personally, I don't think a 30 degree rise from ambient temperature in a small enclosed compartment is not unreasonable for any motor vehicle. I carry chapstick in my pocket and chocolate in my belly and never have any problem.....

Exactly. Thank you.