Has anyone ever made a Spyder hyper motorcycle?

[DrewNJ]

Drew,
Didn't one of your buddies build the Aprilia :spyder2:?
If you could get us some details and pictures of it... [emoji106]

Yes he did. He figured the motor with minor tuning was right about 150hp. (It's 141hp stock). Last time I talked to him he was in the process of gutting the gearboxes and going back to the 5spd sprder gear box innards because he wanted reverse back and something different about the outputs???? He said top speeds were obtained in 5th gear and it would wind up to 10k. 6th offered no higher speed that he could feel, only lower revs. I'll let you math junkies figure top speed as the speedo doesn't work.

I can try to get some pics next time I see him but other than an aprilia cluster mounted in the spyder hole and a few missing misc parts, it doesn't look any different.

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[DrewNJ]

It doesn't matter, the crank is the usual weak spot like so many sport vtwins. You need a serious gear ratio/ final drive change or you will always be confined to to the same low speed redline wall. It won't take something with as much output as the aerocharger had to get you there, the spyder gets so close as it is, maybe 2psi max to be a little quicker and hit redline in 5th no problem.

The crank and gearboxes are far from being weak points on this platform. Remember, the same motor and basic gearbox pieces are run in the Aprilia bikes with the rsvr factory running 141hp. This was an off the shelf track bike.
BRP really detuned the platform for the spyder.
It's just not a good motor for forced induction Something about ring placement???

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[AMTJIM]

That may be true, but they aren't pushing 850 to 1100 lbs on those...way different. They can say that all they want like many of the other reliability claims they made with the Spyder. Spyders have had all sorts of transmission issues since release, front pulley shears being a big one.

 

[DrewNJ]

That may be true, but they aren't pushing 850 to 1100 lbs on those...way different. They can say that all they want like many of the other reliability claims they made with the Spyder. Spyders have had all sorts of transmission issues since release, front pulley shears being a big one.

I would love to see documentation to all those failures. ....thanks.
A few sheared pulley bolts because of improper torque or a bolt working loose is not a weak area, it just happens, and seemed to be more of a topic on the early models. Not an issue for many years. Thats not really a weak trans or crank issue anyway.....A full trans failure?...

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[DrewNJ]

I think if we were going to talk about weak links on the spyder Jim, electronics are the first area to come to mind....lol.

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[Bob Denman]

Are electronics a weak link?
Or just an (overly) aggressive control of the systems? :dontknow:

 

[AMTJIM]

You are in the library. If it's not a problem, then why did they detune it after release? Why did they lower it to under 106hp just recently? Why not just bump the 990 to the 115hp the 1330 has? Why not give it 1125 parts?

 

[DrewNJ]

Are electronics a weak link?
Or just an (overly) aggressive control of the systems? :dontknow:

Good point. I wouldn't say these machines have a true weak link, more just a bunch of nuisances. Overall, they are pretty reliable, especially when taking all of the components into consideration.

 

[Bob Denman]

:agree: They're reliable; right up until you start trying to "improve" them with some backyard Wizardry... :shocked:

 

[DrewNJ]

You are in the library. If it's not a problem, then why did they detune it after release? Why did they lower it to under 106hp just recently? Why not just bump the 990 to the 115hp the 1330 has? Why not give it 1125 parts?

They detuned it because of the platform it was going in. Remember, the spyder was pretty much the first of it's kind, unchartered water so to speak. They didn't want to throw to much power at it right out of the gate. This has been BRP's MO for years. They did it with the skis too. At first release they are conservative and typically build from there.

The 106 to 100 change had more to do with standardizing the platform from RS, RT, and ST. The 100hp 991's have more torque that comes on at lower rpm's that was setup to carry around the heavier RT at a more even rev for the old timers. Over the years the RS has become heavier. (remember, most spyder peeps are "older" and like a more driveable linear rev band).
Also, most everyone is transitioning over to the DBW setups. So, BRP went to this as they already had that existing setup. It was not detuned to keep things from breaking. These motors may burn oil, leak coolant, run hot, get poor fuel economy, catch on fire, and cook clutches and their riders, but you don't read about to many of them that have actually failed due to a weak crank/engine or trans components. Even when bored out running a race 1102 AF1 setup with a lot of hard track time on a stock bottom end.

The 1330 motor change is simply the change of the times. While the 998 is a great motor, it's an aging platform. It's been around since what? 1998??. While, it has been a VERY stout platform for the last 17 years. It's known for being a hot running motor and not having the best of fuel efficiency. <<<<-----Everything spyder peeps complain about. That would be even worse if you bump up the hp or go with a bigger bore. Soooo.....In comes the new designed 1330 ACE that is able to provide the increased power while also providing less heat and better fuel efficiency, all at tractor low revs.
Remember, most spyder folks are OLD...lol. They love their tractor low revs and fuel economy. .
BRP is transitioning a lot of their platforms to ACE. It's the BRP wave of the future.

 

[Bob Denman]

:shocked: Wow... I can't find anything in there to argue about. :agree: :clap:
Drew,
If we're agreeing this much; there's GOT to be trouble brewing somewhere! :roflblack:

 

[DrewNJ]

:shocked: Wow... I can't find anything in there to argue about. :agree: :clap:
Drew,
If we're agreeing this much; there's GOT to be trouble brewing somewhere! :roflblack:

Where's Mike? opcorn:

 

[Bob Denman]

Curiously; he's be quiet...
I'll PM you what I know.

 

[AMTJIM]

That sounds like the sales pitch, not the reason. Spyder detune after release. Simple bump back to 115. Not sure about the aging wave of the future thing, but I'll let KTM, EBR and Ducati know...I know, I know April, but you gotta listen to daddy Rotax.