pegasus1300
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I don't know how you all do it. 150 miles is about 3 hrs and that is as much as the "other" tank can hold before it has to be emptied. As long as I can do 150 miles between fill ups (and empties) I am happy.
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I don't know how you all do it. 150 miles is about 3 hrs and that is as much as the "other" tank can hold before it has to be emptied. As long as I can do 150 miles between fill ups (and empties) I am happy.
cruisinTX
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hehehe, well chosen photo stops that include bushes or trees in need of watering is a good way to extend your personal tank range.
If I did the mental conversion properly, 150 miles works out to about 240 kms, & depending upon where/which way you are heading here in Aus, that can mean just over 2 hours of ryding.... some places even less.... Get out on the open road & 400 km between cities is generally just less than 4 hours of ryding at legal cruising speeds; but apart from Sydney to Canberra (major cities which are pretty close to each other) that's often not even half way there yet! Yeah, sure, there are times & places where you don't want to punt along like that, but this country is a big place with lotsa wide open spaces in between the major settled areas (well, except along the East Coast! People live in their neighbour's pockets there!) so ryding long distances becomes a necessity or you can die stuck between fuel stops! And it's really only the major routes that have fuel stops every couple of hundred kms! In about 2/3rds of this country, if you can't carry enough fuel & water to make the next stop then you are basically committing suicide to leave! :shocked: So maybe you can appreciate a little more about why getting better than 250km range is so important to me??
Oh, & just for what it's worth, & I understand YMMV, but I consistently get better than 4km per litre MORE from each litre of Premium fuel than I get from std ULP - & my records include EVERY litre of fuel that's ever run thru my machine & every km it's ever travelled..... a machine which is tuned to run best on Premium! (Even more so now!) Sure, it runs on the std ULP, just not so well nor as efficiently....
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pegasus1300
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If I did the mental conversion properly, 150 miles works out to about 240 kms, & depending upon where/which way you are heading here in Aus, that can mean just over 2 hours of ryding.... some places even less.... Get out on the open road & 400 km between cities is generally just less than 4 hours of ryding at legal cruising speeds; but apart from Sydney to Canberra (major cities which are pretty close to each other) that's often not even half way there yet! Yeah, sure, there are times & places where you don't want to punt along like that, but this country is a big place with lotsa wide open spaces in between the major settled areas (well, except along the East Coast! People live in their neighbour's pockets there!) so ryding long distances becomes a necessity or you can die stuck between fuel stops! And it's really only the major routes that have fuel stops every couple of hundred kms! In about 2/3rds of this country, if you can't carry enough fuel & water to make the next stop then you are basically committing suicide to leave! :shocked: So maybe you can appreciate a little more about why getting better than 250km range is so important to me??
Oh, & just for what it's worth, & I understand YMMV, but I consistently get better than 4km per litre MORE from each litre of Premium fuel than I get from std ULP - & my records include EVERY litre of fuel that's ever run thru my machine & every km it's ever travelled..... a machine which is tuned to run best on Premium! (Even more so now!) Sure, it runs on the std UPL, just not so well nor as efficiently....
I always figure an ave speed of 50mph,thus 3hrs=150 miles. Yes sometimes I get more sometimes less but that is pretty average over 50+ years on the road.
pegasus1300
Well-known member
If I did the mental conversion properly, 150 miles works out to about 240 kms, & depending upon where/which way you are heading here in Aus, that can mean just over 2 hours of ryding.... some places even less.... Get out on the open road & 400 km between cities is generally just less than 4 hours of ryding at legal cruising speeds; but apart from Sydney to Canberra (major cities which are pretty close to each other) that's often not even half way there yet! Yeah, sure, there are times & places where you don't want to punt along like that, but this country is a big place with lotsa wide open spaces in between the major settled areas (well, except along the East Coast! People live in their neighbour's pockets there!) so ryding long distances becomes a necessity or you can die stuck between fuel stops! And it's really only the major routes that have fuel stops every couple of hundred kms! In about 2/3rds of this country, if you can't carry enough fuel & water to make the next stop then you are basically committing suicide to leave! :shocked: So maybe you can appreciate a little more about why getting better than 250km range is so important to me??
Oh, & just for what it's worth, & I understand YMMV, but I consistently get better than 4km per litre MORE from each litre of Premium fuel than I get from std ULP - & my records include EVERY litre of fuel that's ever run thru my machine & every km it's ever travelled..... a machine which is tuned to run best on Premium! (Even more so now!) Sure, it runs on the std UPL, just not so well nor as efficiently....
I always figure an ave speed of 50mph,thus 3hrs=150 miles. Yes sometimes I get more sometimes less but that is pretty average over 50+ years on the road.
And yes I do understand your dilemma,we do have some places like that here,tho not so much anymore. Oh BTW as BRP recommends premium,that is what mine gets too. 28.5 mpg over 22k+ and regular does drop it.
IdahoMtnSpyder
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Interestingly, not only does elevation make a difference in gas octane needed it also affects mileage. My best MPG with my 2013 RT over a short time span was over the Rocky Mountains at 6000 to 10000 feet elevation. The worst was in Louisiana at close to sea level!
IdahoMtnSpyder
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The responses to this thread, and the poll responses, have been great. Keep it up! I may ask Lamont to close the poll early in a few days if it looks like interest is waning and before this topic gets stale!
canamjhb
Well-known member
I totally agree. Been doing long distance touring for over 35 years and plan for 50 miles for each hour on the road. Of course there are exceptions but factoring in fuel, rest, and meal stops, 50 is a good figure. On the spyder I routinely obtain 35-40 MPG unless I spend a lot of time in stop and go city or slow mountain twisties roads. But all that is unimportant. Just need to keep riding to keep a smile going....
RinconRyder
New member
Humidity might be the culprit rather than elevation. Humidity displaces oxygen molecules. We used to have to adjust the nitro ratio in our fuelie for the humidity. I wasn't the fuel guy so don't know all the specifics but do remember that. For elevation the guys used to adjust the blower (more blower for more elevation).
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Wind resistance
Higher elevation, thinner air, less drag = better gas mileage. Have noticed this over the years on two and three wheels. When I get back from a long trip in the Rockies to the cold, humid, sea level air in Washington, it feels like I’m constantly riding into a headwind.
Higher elevation, thinner air, less drag = better gas mileage. Have noticed this over the years on two and three wheels. When I get back from a long trip in the Rockies to the cold, humid, sea level air in Washington, it feels like I’m constantly riding into a headwind.
Tango
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That's how we figure things out. Plan for 50 mph, and get off the bike for a stretch. We routinely get 40mpg or better. A high of 45 on back roads. Interstate blasting is another story. Very happy with the F3. :thumbup: Tom :spyder:
Bob Denman
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I suppose that since BRP gives a specific recommendation for the fuel type to use: why try and argue with them? :dontknow:
Wildrice
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I agree--the extra cost per gallon over a period of time amounts to less than one (1) farkle.
Darrell
IdahoMtnSpyder
Active member
We should only use Kenda tires, right? :lecturef_smilie: :roflblack: :thumbup: And of course, only BRP oil!!
hyea: At least they don't tell us whose air we need to use in the tires! :roflblack:
wd8ajj
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Years ago when I worked in the Labs at Standard Oil Co. One of our tests were to measure the octane rating between regular and premium. As far as the "gas" was concerned, all was the same. The difference was all the additives that were added to boost octane levels and more cleaners. But the gas no matter what level all started as the same. Only the additives and amounts made the difference. Racing fuels are whole another story and blended different from standard gas.
Easy Rider
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We should only use Kenda tires, right? :lecturef_smilie: :roflblack: :thumbup: And of course, only BRP oil!!
No of course not.
I don't believe that you will find those things as a "requirement" anywhere; probably not even a recommendation.
Specifying what brand of routine maintenance "parts" to use is actually illegal in the US, in general.
Bob Denman
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I would argue that the engineers just said to use fuel with a particular octane level: they didn't say which brand to use.We should only use Kenda tires, right? :lecturef_smilie: :roflblack: :thumbup: And of course, only BRP oil!!
Bob Denman
New member
You don't need to worry about detonation. The computer has plenty of ways to deal with it... :thumbup:
Easy Rider
New member
No it does not.
There is only ONE way and that is to retard the timing to prevent "spark knock".
Unless it has computer controlled individual valve timing, there is NOTHING the control systems can do to prevent "pre-ignition" ..........that happens before the spake hits. That is, I presume, why they recommend higher octane fuel.
