GPS Trip Planing

[Skip H]

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I think you will find that the 665 is not supported in Base Camp. We had major problems with routes created in Base Camp and imported into the 665 only to find out after several calls to Garmin, that the 665 was not supported.

This is the second thread I have seen today that says the 665 is not supported in Basecamp. This is not true. The 665 and Basecamp work well together. I am currently working on a route that will take me from Cleveland OH to Dallas TX then east to Florida, north along the coast to Maryland and finally back to Cleveland, The entire route is well over 3000 miles.

I think what Garmin is telling people is that the 665 is not supported as it is a now discontinued model. That is irrelevant to Basecamp.

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RE Tyre ... Is this still a PC only product. I was told it was good but is not for a MAC

Also not true. There is a MAC version available from Garmin here https://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=

Sorry 'bout that folks.. The above link is for Basecamp, not Tyre. I do need to work on my reading comprehension.

Skip H
Elyria OH

 

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

Another option. Do your route w/ google maps then load the URL into ITN Converter. Make edits if needed then export to a file format for your GPS. Transfer to your GPS.

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[IdahoMtnSpyder]

Another vote for TYRE. I've been using it for about 5 yrs and I'v never had an issue with it. I use the free version and it does more than I need it to do. Very easy to download to or from your computer to your device or from your device. AND you can email routes to friends if ya wanna plan a group ride and all use the same route. I tried BaseCamp and wasn't impressed.

Tyre won't accept a Google Maps route any more.

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[View from behind]

Routes go into the 665 just fine but when you go to use them (and maybe not all) they will crash at some point which usually is in the most inconvenient place. Please don't take my word for it, give Garmin a call. What I found the most disturbing was that Base Camp allowed the route to be created and moved to the 665 without out any warning that the 665 was not compatible and the route might not work properly.

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This is the second thread I have seen today that says the 665 is not supported in Basecamp. This is not true. The 665 and Basecamp work well together. I am currently working on a route that will take me from Cleveland OH to Dallas TX then east to Florida, north along the coast to Maryland and finally back to Cleveland, The entire route is well over 3000 miles.

I think what Garmin is telling people is that the 665 is not supported as it is a now discontinued model. That is irrelevant to Basecamp.

 

[ThreeWheels]

My single biggest problem with Base Camp is I can't figure out the file structure.
I can't figure out how to save a route, and then call up the same route again later.
The files don't seem to go anyplace where I can access them.
I always like to save the file from the route I took in a folder, along with the photos of the ride.
I just don't seem able to do that with Base Camp.

 

[JayBros]

This may be a dumb question but is it possible that if the profile on the 665 GPS and the Basecamp profile are not set up exactly the same when routes created in Basecamp and then added to internal storage on the 665 when the route is actually imported by the GPS, i.e., when you turn it on and it tells you a new route is found and asks you if you want to import it and you answer "Yes," that the import process is the point where the route gets screwed up? I ask this because the New England Riders tutorial specifically stresses the set up of Basecamp and then GPS. BTW it also advises downloading Garmin Express first so you can update maps on both Basecamp and your GPS at the same time, thereby ensuring commonality of maps. My apologies if I've joined this thread late and have missed a major point or two.

 

[Fjrwillie]

This may be a dumb question but is it possible that if the profile on the 665 GPS and the Basecamp profile are not set up exactly the same when routes created in Basecamp and then added to internal storage on the 665 when the route is actually imported by the GPS, i.e., when you turn it on and it tells you a new route is found and asks you if you want to import it and you answer "Yes," that the import process is the point where the route gets screwed up? I ask this because the New England Riders tutorial specifically stresses the set up of Basecamp and then GPS. BTW it also advises downloading Garmin Express first so you can update maps on both Basecamp and your GPS at the same time, thereby ensuring commonality of maps. My apologies if I've joined this thread late and have missed a major point or two.

When you send data to the GPS units from BaseCamp it sends a bunch of data points, what could be referred to shaping points and are internally arranged in the order you designed the route. The GPS unit on the import function takes these points and creates the route. Thus if your Maps in BaseCamp (or Mapsource the old route designer) and the GPS units are different, the outcome of the route can be different. IIRC Ed said one should compare the miles in BaseCamp to the miles in the GPS units to see if they are the same. If they are different the route may not be exactly as you planned.

While I am not a BaseCamp user, but use MapSource, the function is the same. I have multiple MapSets in MapSource and have used a different version of maps in MapSource (BaseCamp does the same) than the GPS. I get slightly different outcomes when importing the route. This does not concern me all that much. I might be as small as a crossover street is used in the GPS unit versus how I planned the route in MapSource. Ed's perspective on route planning is he is specifically looking to be on and use certain roads versus an overall plan to get someplace. He is road driven, whereas I am destination point driven. It is a matter of style.

The GPS unit doesn't care where it gets its routes from, whether it be BaseCamp, Tyre, Google, etc etc. It will use the shaping points in the GPX file to create the route. I believe it was stated somewhere along here, that if the Maps were different would result in the straight lines on the import function. This is a different problem entirely and not as a result of using different maps in BaseCamp and the GPS Unit.

I hope this explanation helps.

Willie

 

[GeorgiaBill]

OOPS - Install to Computer

I know to click the install to computer button, and have 3 2015 releases installed, plus 2 2016 releases.

I updated 2 2555LMTs yesterday but forgot to install to the computer. Thus I have 2016.2 running on the desktop and 2017.2 on the devices.

Thanks so much for the reminder.

-Bill

The problem will be that you don't have the maps installed locally on your PC so if you don't have the Garmin connected when you're in BaseCamp it will default to 'Global Map' this map has very little detail and so it just draws straight lines between your points or even decides they don't exist, are in the sea, etc.

The trick is to...(once you've got a Garmin again)

• Close Basecamp if it's open
• Connect your Garmin device to the computer
• Start Garmin Express if it doesn't start automatically
• Wait until it's happy that the maps are up-to-date
• Click on Map Options (blue text just below the name of your map)
• Click on the Install to Computer button
• Click Accept when the Terms and Conditions are displayed
• Click Continue
• Wait for it to finish (you may also get a message from windows about security, just click Yes)
• Disconnect your Garmin
• Start BaseCamp
• Under the maps menu you should now see the map and hopefully it should also default to that

You'll now find your routes will work correctly in base camp even when you don't have the device connected.

One issue is that this doesn't get updated automatically so when you get an update you have to manually redo the process. There used to be an option in Garmin Express to automatically update both but that seems to have disappeared.

Second issue is that it keeps the previous versions in BaseCamp and I've found no option to remove them from within the software, I normally just delete them directly instead.

 

[tofriendscreek]

As mentioned in my earlier post, I use Tyre. But, Regardless of the route planning program you use, make sure the computer and device are synced in all respects, with the most recent maps and versions.
I'm a road specific Ryder first and destination second. I have found, again regardless of the route planning program, the route I mapped on the computer will not be the exactly the same when imported to the device unless I've created enough waypoints on the route itself. The maps are always the same if I create it with enough detail, meaning waypoints. I put a waypoint at every turn, in the proper lane, and along the route every 5 or 6 miles. Yes, it takes some time, but doing so keeps me on the actual road I wanted to take. I break my trips into routes of 100-400 miles depending on the "complexity" of the route. I could end up with 75-90 or more waypoints if the route has lots of turns and/or places I want to stop.
If I decide to change direction, I can do it on the fly. Since I'm much more interested in the roads to get to a destination, it's all in the details in my experience.


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[JayBros]

PMK, that's where Garmin Express is so valuable IMO. I always open it first and it lets me know what's up update-wise, and I always do both Basecamp and GPS at the same sitting.

 

[Fjrwillie]

The map planning and upload will work going from Basecamp to the device. However, and this recently happened to me, the map in the device was different version than that in Basecamp. The device recognized new stuff to load, but failed to load the route. It took a few minutes to sort out, but required the Basecamp and device maps to be identical versions.

I realize this is being mentioned by many people. Even with many years of Garmin experience, sometimes the simple things set us back.

If I am reading this correctly, the route, waypoints were sent to the GPS, however it failed to load, or ask if you wanted to import the route.

If you go to MyData, Import the route explicitly, does this still fail to load the route??? This would be a big change from anything I have experienced on any of my units even back on the StreetPilot days.

Again I am not a BaseCamp user, but that is simply a database of all your stuff in one location, that you can pull down and incorporate into a route. In MapSource I have the same thing just in individual files, so I have a MasterNationalPark, MasterDiner, MasterDinersDriveinDive, MasterNationalRegisterofHistoricPlaces files that I call on when I need them. I simply copy the Waypoints (or a subset of Waypoints) from one of these master files into the current file I am working on. I end up with a current file that I name such as T 2016 07 13 for todays trip file. If I am planning a multi day trip I would have a 2016 July Trip V1 file. On this type of trip I end up with multiple versions of the trip (saved as V2, V3,etc) until finally I have a Final version This enables me to scrap what I am doing and go back to a previous version if I really screwed something up.

The collection of my Master Files is what BaseCamp does that MapSource doesn't do into one gigantic file. In essense, I have created my own DataBase file system to accomplish the same thing in MapSource. Keeps the individual files small and in my mind more portable.

I constantly send Routes and Waypoints to my GPS with the MapSet different between MapSource and the GPS unit and have never had a problem in the last 10 years using a GPS.

It should also be noted, if you are route / road driven for planning purposes, it is important that the PREFERENCES settings are the same between BaseCamp / MapSource and GPS. This can have an effect on the end result, but would not stop the route from coming into the GPS.

As a sidebar, I plan multiple Day Routes with in a Trip File which breaks the route planning into no more than a daily route. If the trip is 14 days, I will have at least 14 day trip routes within the file. When this info is sent to the GPS, each day is a Route, which has to be imported as its own Route. I use Nuvi1490's on the SPYDER which will only accommodate 4 active routes at a time. On Day 1, I may have Day1, 2, 3 ready to go. On Day 4 I delete Day 1, 2, 3 and import Day 4, 5, 6. etc etc.

Willie