I've never really seen it discounted very much but our local Honda/BMW/etc dealer had a 25% off sale yesterday! I ride a 2008 GL1800 with heated seat and grips and my wife rides a 2008 RS SM5 with JM CB/Weather Radio/Aux input for iPod with JM helmet headset, aftermarket cruise control, Givi trunk, and Zumo GPS. I got the jacket liner and pants and she got the jacket liner, pants and gloves. We both have the dual controllers with the holders that clips onto the belt on our Kilamanjaros. It was in the mid 30's when we went out today and we couldn't believe how toasty we were! We were bummed that it wasn't colder because we really wanted to give them a test. We intend to ride all winter except when there is snow on the ground. Anyone have experience using this stuff in weather in the twenties? Near zero? BTW, the Spyder's battery was not affected by the three items. I put it on a Tender, Jr. when we got home and it went into float mode in about 60 seconds. If anyone lives in the Philadelphia suburbs the Gerbing dealer is Montgomeryville Cycle and they will still do a 20% discount on Black Friday.