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Fuel Control

Dan-Am

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Well, I changed out my OEM exhaust turd for a Yoshi R77, hoping to NOT need a fuel controller. First, I love the look and the sound, but I'm now experiencing the dreaded deceleration popping (stock intake). I don't mind some farting and gurgling, but I'm afraid the occasional backfire-like bang will send wifey onto the following car hood! I've also read that exhaust leaks can cause popping, and I still have the original y-pipe gaskets, plugs, and wires in place on a low mileage 2010 RSS, so I will change them 1st. But I suspect I'll end up needing a juice box...and, if so, will probably go ahead and open up the intake a little (might as well, hey?). So, to those that have experienced a similar fate, what controllers /intakes have you found to be most effective, and do you have any other advice?
Thanks in advance for your input!

Dan
 
Did you let the bike sit running at idle for 10-15 minutes & then ride it gently for the first 10-15 mins after fitting the new muffler? The ECU really needs that time to 'learn' & 're-tune' itself to the new parameters it has to work with!! That said, a 'few pops' happening occasionally during the first 10 mins or so after starting cold really won't be hurting anything & should probably be expected from an engine tuned as highly as these things are once they have a 'less strangling' exhaust system fitted. But if it is popping more than 3-5 pops or so on every deceleration, every acceleration, or every time you back off of the throttle after that first 10 mins or so of riding, then you might need to worry about extensive exhaust leaks somewhere between the valves inside the engine & the back of the cat/cat eliminator (if fitted); or that you're asking the engine to run outside the range the computer/ECU can handle within itself & so need to fit a fuel controller.... :sour:

But really, these engines & their computer systems are pretty capable things that can manage a fairly wide range of variables & if by riding smoothly, changing gears within the recommended rev ranges, & rolling off the throttle gently you don't ever get many more than say 2-4 pops every now & then, you are probably not going to be helping much by fitting a fuel controller. In fact, if whatever controller you get is not as reliably capable or specific as the OE ECU at managing the variations the engine needs just because of the normal changes that occur in things like temperature, altitude, or even fuel grade/quality, then you may be doing more harm than good, even if the few occasional pops no longer happen!! :shocked:

So, does your bike now pop or backfire any more than occasionally? Does it keep popping & banging after the engine has warmed up & it's been running under load for more than about 10-15 mins? Does it pop or backfire every time you roll off the throttle or change down? Does it pop or backfire when you accelerate hard/quick very often once the engine's been working/driven spiritedly for more than say, 5-10 mins?

If you answer NO to any/all of those questions, then I reckon you probably don't really need a different fuel controller, & if you do fit one, make very sure it is a good quality unit that is well respected by the engine tuning community & reported as so by the engine & bike mags, forums, etc, & is well known in the wider community rather than one that's just got a few good reviews by anonymous people on the internet. Dodgy fuel controllers &/or cheapies bought off the internet pretty much keep the engine re-builders & respected performance shops in business these days! ;)

OR, maybe you are just looking for excuses to wind up the power &/or play with the engine a bit to get more Oomph?!? If that's the case, just DO IT!! You don't need our permission, or to try & kid us that you are only thinking about the wife's reaction to the odd backfire! :thumbup:
 
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Ahhh great reply, and very informative! I did idle it after install several times for 15 minutes. Then I rode for 20-30 minutes and it actually got worse when hotter. I then tried the baffle/silencer with no improvement When I entered a school zone, 25mph steady, it ran very erratic and popped a lot. I do think the OEM tank muffler hid a lot of this previously, but the excessively loud backfire sound is unacceptable. BTW, I do not want or need any excuses to tinker, and would never insult this forum or "kid' about my wife's comfort on my Spyder!:thumbup: With all the farkling I've done, the last thing I want to do is mess with a motor that runs strong stock! It doesn't need any more oomph or any of my meddling! I just wanted a throaty exhaust note without the need for fuel control, some need it, some don't. I do appreciate your help!!!

Dan
 
My Stock 2014 RT-S popped from day one.
Every later model Stock Harley I ever owned 08, 10, 12 popped.

I was told by various Harley Techs it do to the mixture running lean and have to believe its same for Spyder.
Don't know if a Power Control will make difference.
They were not recommended on later model Harleys (badly messed with the ECU) and at present their is none for late model RTs.

AJ

Well, I changed out my OEM exhaust turd for a Yoshi R77, hoping to NOT need a fuel controller. First, I love the look and the sound, but I'm now experiencing the dreaded deceleration popping (stock intake). I don't mind some farting and gurgling, but I'm afraid the occasional backfire-like bang will send wifey onto the following car hood! I've also read that exhaust leaks can cause popping, and I still have the original y-pipe gaskets, plugs, and wires in place on a low mileage 2010 RSS, so I will change them 1st. But I suspect I'll end up needing a juice box...and, if so, will probably go ahead and open up the intake a little (might as well, hey?). So, to those that have experienced a similar fate, what controllers /intakes have you found to be most effective, and do you have any other advice?
Thanks in advance for your input!

Dan
 
Your going to get some popping with the stock map even with the stock exhaust. The stock exhaust just muffles it better. It won't hurt anything .
As of right now you'd have to do a piggyback fuel controller of some sort to dial it out. Not the best solution but it works.
Best advice though for any fuel controller is to have an o2 bung welded in the pipe so you can tune it properly.

As for harley, I'm running an fp3 flash tuner on my 14' fxdf and it is frigging awesome. Rewrites the map completely. While it doesn't exist for the spyder, a decent tune is still possible.
I have absolutely no popping on either of my machines with proper tunes.

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Not sure if you were replying to me or OP, but for myself could care less about the popping.
Kinda enjoy it! ;)
Harley Race Tuner and dyno did remove the pop besides adding torque & HP, at least for me.
An well known outfit here in Vegas is developing a controller for the RT should be available early to mid 16.

AJ

Your going to get some popping with the stock map even with the stock exhaust. The stock exhaust just muffles it better. It won't hurt anything .
As of right now you'd have to do a piggyback fuel controller of some sort to dial it out. Not the best solution but it works.
Best advice though for any fuel controller is to have an o2 bung welded in the pipe so you can tune it properly.

As for harley, I'm running an fp3 flash tuner on my 14' fxdf and it is frigging awesome. Rewrites the map completely. While it doesn't exist for the spyder, a decent tune is still possible.
I have absolutely no popping on either of my machines with proper tunes.

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Your going to get some popping with the stock map even with the stock exhaust. The stock exhaust just muffles it better. It won't hurt anything .
As of right now you'd have to do a piggyback fuel controller of some sort to dial it out. Not the best solution but it works.
Best advice though for any fuel controller is to have an o2 bung welded in the pipe so you can tune it properly.

As for harley, I'm running an fp3 flash tuner on my 14' fxdf and it is frigging awesome. Rewrites the map completely. While it doesn't exist for the spyder, a decent tune is still possible.
I have absolutely no popping on either of my machines with proper tunes.

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Hey Drew! I think you are correct about the OEM muffler hiding things...could take years to get anything through that cork!:p I am looking at the new Dynojet PCFC which is a FUEL Control ONLY edition of the Power Commander V. If I'm right, it uses the EXISTING O2 SENSOR in the collector pipe to readjust air/fuel ratios. I believe you can use preset (PCV) maps specific to Spyders (set for several combinations of stock vs aftermarket intakes and exhaust) and fine tune from there. I'm also dealing with high altitude here in Vegas. I'm going to give the ECU plenty of time to adjust before I do anything. Thanks a bunch for your comments!
Dan
 
Not sure if you were replying to me or OP, but for myself could care less about the popping.
Kinda enjoy it! ;)
Harley Race Tuner and dyno did remove the pop besides adding torque & HP, at least for me.
An well known outfit here in Vegas is developing a controller for the RT should be available early to mid 16.

AJ

AJ
I, too, enjoy some mild popping...shows some attitude! My C6 Vette burbles at deceleration, and it sounds pretty cool to me. If it weren't for the loud "backfire" sound, I wouldn't be concerned at all. Is this local outfit a tuner service or just a manufacturer? I might request more information and pay them a visit :thumbup: Thanks for your help!
Dan

edit: just realized the fuel controller I'm looking at is on Powercommander site, says they are located in Vegas! Hmmmmm:)
 
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