Freddy, I couldn't agree more...Treva
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Freddy, I couldn't agree more...Treva
Finally after 5 + weeks in the dealers workshop, I picked up my RT today & rode it home. Took the long way & it performed as expected, ie; no problems.
Had a good chat to the service manager & tech before leaving. I know they did their very best to sort out the problem. BRP's involvement diagnosing the problem was beneficial. Time wise, the supply of parts has been the major problem.
The list below explains what they found and the action taken:-
1. Connected to BUDS & found fault codes C1290, P0500, P2806, C006C.
2. Performed the service action for each fault code.
3. Removed and replaced vehicle control module as directed by BRP.
4. Removed and replaced ignition switch as directed by BRP.
5. Removed and replaced wheel speed sensors as directed by BRP.
6. Performed 2 x road tests with different technicians. [ safety in numbers!!! ha ha ]
Although they didn't find the actual reason for the lockup, I'm pretty sure all bases have been covered. Time will tell. Now to convince the wife.:chat:
Had a good chat to the service manager & tech before leaving. I know they did their very best to sort out the problem. BRP's involvement diagnosing the problem was beneficial. Time wise, the supply of parts has been the major problem.
The list below explains what they found and the action taken:-
1. Connected to BUDS & found fault codes C1290, P0500, P2806, C006C.
2. Performed the service action for each fault code.
3. Removed and replaced vehicle control module as directed by BRP.
4. Removed and replaced ignition switch as directed by BRP.
5. Removed and replaced wheel speed sensors as directed by BRP.
6. Performed 2 x road tests with different technicians. [ safety in numbers!!! ha ha ]
Although they didn't find the actual reason for the lockup, I'm pretty sure all bases have been covered. Time will tell. Now to convince the wife.:chat:
Thanks Airborne. So much going on electronically when on the move, complications can happen. Hopefully that is a thing of the past....treva.
h0gr1der
New member
Mr. Treva,
Many thanks for following up on this. The replacement of the wheel sensors and VCM tells an interesting tale. So apparently if you lose contact with a wheel speed sensor, or the VCM thinks something is off (failure mode), the computer will take "appropriate" action. So much for redundant safety. Hopefully BRP has the real facts and implements a firmware upgrade to mitigate the possibility of this.
C1290, P0500, weren't listed in either my 2018 or 2019 manual. Anyone know what this is?
P2806, was listed as gear position sensor outside of parameters.
C006C, was listed as VCM error or failure.
Many thanks for following up on this. The replacement of the wheel sensors and VCM tells an interesting tale. So apparently if you lose contact with a wheel speed sensor, or the VCM thinks something is off (failure mode), the computer will take "appropriate" action. So much for redundant safety. Hopefully BRP has the real facts and implements a firmware upgrade to mitigate the possibility of this.
C1290, P0500, weren't listed in either my 2018 or 2019 manual. Anyone know what this is?
P2806, was listed as gear position sensor outside of parameters.
C006C, was listed as VCM error or failure.
Hello hogr1der, I feel it a sense of duty to let others know the outcome. I may be wrong but i think BRP in their wisdom threw a heap of parts at the dealer based on the list of codes. As you're stated i also hope BRP has the real facts..... I've just returned from a long ride by myself & it performed beautifully...treva
I have experienced the Nanny and VSS. I drive "spirted" on the mountain curves of the Sierra Nevada, when NOT leading a group. When I ride the bike I travel to work 45 miles through these mountains my commute puts any tail of the serpent ride to shame. I have lifted a front wheel repeatedly and felt the bike correct itself without locking up. I run EBC all around pads and rotors. I have had the rear wheel lose traction within a curve and had to drift to maintain control. Sometimes the VSS kicks in sometimes not. Drive within your bikes comfort zone and not while two up. The passenger NEVER will have the response time holding on, your in control. Check your rear brakes I mean really check them for any foreign objects, small rocks are the killer. I wore down the inside of my original stock rotor, scored it beyond repair and had to replace. It just made a small squeal when brakes were applied like it was dirty I ignored it for a 1000 miles before I saw the damage. I actually didn't see the damage as it was on the inside I ran my fingers over it and felt the deep scoring. In summary the bike wheels have NEVER locked up like you are describing get your bike checked out soon.
stmike 1800
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That is some scary sh@t . I do not know if i could or would ride a spyder again ,makes me think some of the parts came off a MAX 8 plane.
h0gr1der
New member
That's what I'm trying to get a sense of, the actual risk involved with the Spyder. When I first boarded Spyderlovers, I read a post from a guy departing the Spyder world because of just his kind of incident. His bike locked up and slung him off, I think it hurt him, so he was quitting. I can't find that post again, my search mojo isn't great enough.
Mr. Treva's rear wheel locked up, and BRP replaced the VCM and wheel sensors. I feel losing one of the front wheel sensors, and having the opposite front wheel lock up at the wrong time is possibly the worst case scenario (loss of steering control), possibly dragging you into oncoming traffic or over the cliff in the mountains.
I also know that the risk of this is fairly low, because the Spyder world isn't screaming it out all over the Internet. But, at the same time, the consequences of a failure are so high it may be worth a more in-depth review by the NTSB or other agency to see how many actual cases of this are occurring. A certain automobile company tried to hide and deny their "unintended acceleration", even though this company had a major portion the incidents of unintended acceleration in the world slated to it, and at least one death attributed to it. Don't believe for a second that any major corporation won't deny, delay,defend for the bottom line.
My Spyder runs and drives fine, no problems here. But this scenario rides with me. Is there any corrosion building in a leaky wiring connection? Input point on a computer going bad? Wire rubbing where is shouldn't? Makes you wonder.
Mr. Treva's rear wheel locked up, and BRP replaced the VCM and wheel sensors. I feel losing one of the front wheel sensors, and having the opposite front wheel lock up at the wrong time is possibly the worst case scenario (loss of steering control), possibly dragging you into oncoming traffic or over the cliff in the mountains.
I also know that the risk of this is fairly low, because the Spyder world isn't screaming it out all over the Internet. But, at the same time, the consequences of a failure are so high it may be worth a more in-depth review by the NTSB or other agency to see how many actual cases of this are occurring. A certain automobile company tried to hide and deny their "unintended acceleration", even though this company had a major portion the incidents of unintended acceleration in the world slated to it, and at least one death attributed to it. Don't believe for a second that any major corporation won't deny, delay,defend for the bottom line.
My Spyder runs and drives fine, no problems here. But this scenario rides with me. Is there any corrosion building in a leaky wiring connection? Input point on a computer going bad? Wire rubbing where is shouldn't? Makes you wonder.
Lew L
Well-known member
Say Goldminer,
I've been riding the Sierra passes for for a long time on both 2 and 3 wheels. Which roads do you speak of that put the " tail of the dragon " to shame?????? Hwy's 4 and 108 come to mind. Hwy's 49 and 431 ( I live on Mt. Rose Highway) maybe. Even 341 and 6 Mile canyon in the Carson range. These roads that are in our backyards may compare to the "Dragon" but they certainly don't put it to shame?????
In response to the OP--- Nanny has intervened plenty of times but NEVER locked the brakes.
And yes I've ridden the " Dragon " in No. Carolina but on 2 wheels. Great fun
Lew L
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