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Completely irrelevant response to the OP's concern.And, considerably biased. Not all agree about group riding protocols, which were designed for 2-wheelers, in my not so humble opinion.

Just can't pass up an opportunity to throw a rock......can you ??
It was not ME that introduced group riding into the thread.

Groups like the AMA and MSF pretty much agree on good group riding practices......and I don't care if your opinion is different.
 
C'mon you two, & by that 'you two' I mean UtahPete & Easy Rider - If you aren't going to contribute anything beneficial to the topic or you just can't post politely, then it's a whole lot better for either/both of you not to post at all! :lecturef_smilie:
 
It is the rear only......but not with the actual brake hardware.
LOOK at the rear disc and see the notches where the parking pawl engages.

Once you see that.......the whole thing becomes a bit MORE worrysome; at least it did for me.
Which year and model are you referring to? On my 2014 RTS the parking brake is part of the brake components inside the brake cylinder. The PB motor pulls on the cable that turns the PB lever a few degrees. The lever is connected to a screw inside the cylinder and pushes the piston against the brake rotor. If the cable is loose, or the PB motor is weak or doesn't turn as far as it should the pressure against the rotor won't be enough to keep the wheel from turning.

You sure the notches you're looking aren't the ones for the wheel sensor?
 
Took bike to dealer today & witnessed with the tech via BUDS the fault codes. There are quite a few ranging from VCM voltage failure/voltage spike, DPS invalid or missing vehicle speed, ECM gear position sensor angle, & more. I asked if all these faults occurred all at once & caused the lock up, or if some of the codes happened some time ago. His BUDS will only register time & date if it's looked at within approx 1 day of a code initiation so he didn't know. The dealer will send the info to BRP for them to access. I rode the bike to & from the dealer & it performed flawlessly. On saying that, leading up to & riding through every corner, I never felt at ease. I'm confident the problem will be found & sorted. I hope I don't end up eating those words. I'll post when I know more...Treva.
 
Wow! That's surprising. It'll be even more surprising if you can get an answer you can believe.
 
What are you talking about? The parking brake squeezes the same pads as the service brakes. There is no pawl that engages notches in the brake disk.
 
Took bike to dealer today & witnessed with the tech via BUDS the fault codes. There are quite a few ranging from VCM voltage failure/voltage spike, DPS invalid or missing vehicle speed, ECM gear position sensor angle, & more. I asked if all these faults occurred all at once & caused the lock up, or if some of the codes happened some time ago. His BUDS will only register time & date if it's looked at within approx 1 day of a code initiation so he didn't know. The dealer will send the info to BRP for them to access. I rode the bike to & from the dealer & it performed flawlessly. On saying that, leading up to & riding through every corner, I never felt at ease. I'm confident the problem will be found & sorted. I hope I don't end up eating those words. I'll post when I know more...Treva.

Two minor points that might help. First is the faults page in BUDS does indeed store the time each event occurs and it can be displayed until they are removed. Except they are expressed in engine hours, not date and time.

Second if that group of faults has all happened in a few hours run time, I would highly suspect a voltage issue. Start with carefully checking the battery connections, the ground cable both ends and then the fuse box. Have seen many fuse boxes get corrosion in the fuse holders. Pull each fuse and clean them, reinsert. If there is visible rust on the terminals in the box, it got water in there and is too far gone. Replacement time. All those sensors and especially the DPS do not all go bad at the same time. DPS is heavy power user, especially when you were turning and could easily be the trigger point for a low voltage event. Check the battery condition as well.

Good luck in finding the issue.
 
Two minor points that might help. First is the faults page in BUDS does indeed store the time each event occurs and it can be displayed until they are removed. Except they are expressed in engine hours, not date and time.

Second if that group of faults has all happened in a few hours run time, I would highly suspect a voltage issue. Start with carefully checking the battery connections, the ground cable both ends and then the fuse box. Have seen many fuse boxes get corrosion in the fuse holders. Pull each fuse and clean them, reinsert. If there is visible rust on the terminals in the box, it got water in there and is too far gone. Replacement time. All those sensors and especially the DPS do not all go bad at the same time. DPS is heavy power user, especially when you were turning and could easily be the trigger point for a low voltage event. Check the battery condition as well.

Good luck in finding the issue.

Thanks jcthorne, I'll let BRP/dealer work out when these faults occurred. One of the first maintenance jobs I did not long after I purchased the bike new some 14 months ago was smear a little electrical grease on the fuse connections & on the battery terminals & tighten them. Have not looked at these until the day after the lockup. Everything looked brand new, & both battery connection terminal bolts [+& -] although tight, I nipped them a little more. Negative to bodywork I found very tight. Also checked battery voltage static & read 13volts. On starting, battery voltage dropped to 11v momentarily then back up to 13volts. Looks like the battery is ok. With your experience, what do you think? The battery brand name is Dynavolt...Thanks, Treva.
 
Not having eyes on the bike and just throwing out ideas from what I have read here. If the voltage is steady under load, then the battery is fine, no matter the brand. It was just that experience has shown when a number of faults show up together, especially DPS, suspect battery voltage issues first.

My next steps would be to clear all occured faults and concentrate on active faults. If none, its going to take some riding and troubleshooting to find anything that is not currently an active fault. Last couple times I went down this rabbit hole, it turned out to be chaffed wiring harness grounding a circuit. Hard to find.

Keep us posted on what the dealer finds and where this leads. I will try and post any thoughts on what may be going on as we learn things.
 
Not having eyes on the bike and just throwing out ideas from what I have read here. If the voltage is steady under load, then the battery is fine, no matter the brand. It was just that experience has shown when a number of faults show up together, especially DPS, suspect battery voltage issues first.

My next steps would be to clear all occured faults and concentrate on active faults. If none, its going to take some riding and troubleshooting to find anything that is not currently an active fault. Last couple times I went down this rabbit hole, it turned out to be chaffed wiring harness grounding a circuit. Hard to find.

Keep us posted on what the dealer finds and where this leads. I will try and post any thoughts on what may be going on as we learn things.

Thanks for the feedback jcthorne, There are no active faults & I hear what you say about hard to find. The bike is going back to the dealer next Thursday. I'll post when I know something...Treva.
 
The bike has been at the dealer for 3 weeks now. They found some anomalies, informed BRP, who diagnosed a VCM problem. I was informed by the dealer on 5/14/19, that the part was being air freighted. I called the dealer today, & was shocked to hear the part is at least another 2 weeks away. Air freight....WTF. I have lost patience with BRP, & I'm a very tolerant person. The out come of the rear wheel lock up could have had disastrous consequences. One would think BRP would have expedited the part to enable the dealer to have the bike up & running within a week at most, & to appease the customer. Either they, BRP, do not know the real problem or their customer service stinks. Possibly both. Really starting to believe all the negative feedback regarding BRP on a lot of forums.

One thing I know for certain is BRP has lost a sale of a new F3 which I was going to purchase for our sons 50th birthday next month.
 
The bike has been at the dealer for 3 weeks now. They found some anomalies, informed BRP, who diagnosed a VCM problem. I was informed by the dealer on 5/14/19, that the part was being air freighted. I called the dealer today, & was shocked to hear the part is at least another 2 weeks away. Air freight....WTF. I have lost patience with BRP, & I'm a very tolerant person. The out come of the rear wheel lock up could have had disastrous consequences. One would think BRP would have expedited the part to enable the dealer to have the bike up & running within a week at most, & to appease the customer. Either they, BRP, do not know the real problem or their customer service stinks. Possibly both. Really starting to believe all the negative feedback regarding BRP on a lot of forums.

One thing I know for certain is BRP has lost a sale of a new F3 which I was going to purchase for our sons 50th birthday next month.

Sorry to hear of your problems Treva and sorrier still more of your leaving the brand. i recently bought a 18 F3 LTD, you've probably seen my posts recently!

If not, i have been on a learning curve on the handling side of things and have really started to enjoy the ride and still do but my confidence was shattered a day ago when i joined a group ride of over 50s riders [group will/shall remain nameless] for the day.

I Was part of this group/club a year or two ago on two wheels and back then they were the quickest group of older riders i'd ridden with, good luck to them, mostly great folks and a pleasure to be around but i was always down the back with the 'tail-end charlie' not a problem apart from two things, a slight feeling of self-induced guilt about not keeping up, worse still a club member, on the pretence of being helpful, took me to one side and told me that for the sake of the group i must keep up!

Now i wasn't going slow, around or just under the speed limit and taking corners with my skill levels but he's quick and he doesn't want to be held up!

So i happened to come across the President the over day who invited me back to ride with them again, well lo and behold, the same fast member was still there and this day was leading the run, i was gobsmacked when he said in his pr-amble 'again fellas, keep up with the rider in front of you. Again i struggled to keep the pace and gave up in the end and went home. To top it all off this guy used to be a Police crash investigator, unbelievable!

In all my years of riding i have never been told to keep up with anyone, the opposite is true ,take your time, run at your own pace. Even in my younger silly days on and in Sports Bike clubs.

Everyone should ride at a pace that suits them fast or slow, it's there choice but telling people to ;keep up; is a recipe for disaster, in my opinion.

Sorry Treva, not having a go at you just saw a subject that made me tell this story. Cheers!
 
Keep up, keep up be buggered. As you say AB, 'mostly great folks and a pleasure to be around' but there's usually one or two who aren't. I almost never ride in a group bigger than 5 for the reasons you mention. And as for keeping a safe distance...........?!?! One local died over Easter when 1 bike clipped another on a bend, one of em went to the wrong side into oncoming traffic.

As for BRP and Treva - Either they, BRP, do not know the real problem or their customer service stinks. Possibly both. He got that right as has been seen time and time again over 10 years.
 
That's not good for anyone, I would not be a happy camper either. How can it take so long to get a part, Canada is right next door to America, jus sayin.

Next door for Treva is New Guinea, New Zealand, and Antarctica, and then from what I hear it's a slow boat that runs from Valcourt, to Queensland :hun:
 
Good day Treva,

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