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FRED RAU SPYDER CONTRADICTION?

Ron, I don't want people to start talking, but I believe the second half of your avatar is true. :D Good friends are always worth waiting for and bjt and I consider you a good friend. nojoke
Same goes for you two. What an adventure we had in just a few days. Would have liked to have ridden back with you guys.

But now, be honest... How many times did anyone have to wait for me on that trip?
 
Ron, I don't want people to start talking, but I believe the second half of your avatar is true. :D Good friends are always worth waiting for and bjt and I consider you a good friend. nojoke


Amen to that. :thumbup: Ron, we'll see you and your riding buddy in Cuba. :thumbup: :thumbup:
 
Fred,

Thanks for your very frank and honest response. I have to say that I am a member of various on-line forums ranging from Super Charged Ford Harley-Davidson F-150's to Nikon Cameras to Excalibur Crossbows et al, and this site is the best. Very intelligent, smart, and meaningful questions and posts plus great members! nojoke
 
Why is it that no one ever quotes the 2nd half of my Avatar? :dontknow:

Hey Ron,
i didn't quote your avatar, just the modification where Lamonster put "always late member"

I'm sure you're faster than me!:D

and Fordguyupnorth, THANKS for posting this thread- due to your post I just ordered Fred's book.

Maybe a few others will as well...:doorag:
 
Fred Rau is an author, among other things. He makes part of his living by selling the things he writes, including his book. Like any book, it has a target audience...which is conventional motorcyclist, in this case. I am quite sure that category does not include us. :D The omission of the Spyder is not likely a condemnation...or a contradiction. It is done to cut to the chase to reach his target audience. I love hotrods and dragsters. If I were writing a book about Spyders, I certaqinly would not include hotrods or dragsters. It could confuse the Spyder owners. :D

You cannot read a book for what is not there, but rather for what information it contains, that applies to you. We all know that touring range is a shortcoming for touring on a Spyder. The book reinforces that knowledge. We also know that its comfort and storage capacity are big advantages when touring. The book confirms that thought, too. All these things apply equally to conventional motorcycles and Spyders. Some rides shine more in one area, and other machines in different ones. I doubt the BMW riders were disappointed because the Goldwing was used as a point of reference sometimes. They know how to compare the stated features for themselves. Think of Fred's comments as a yardstick, by which we measure our chosen rides. More importantly, think of the books content as "food for thought", not "marching orders".

As usual, great, appropriate perspective!

Glynnk
 
Okay - just to be clear, I never considered this "mud slinging." Believe me, I've had my share of REAL mud slinging, and this ain't it. Just a little good-natured give-and-take.
Actually, I catch a LOT more flack from my motorcycling audience and buddies, for being a three-wheeled "traitor."
Truth is, I don't care a whole hell of a lot what anyone else thinks - I'm out riding and having a great time. And I get paid for it! Eat your hearts out...
By the way, spent today at the Barber Museum. HOLY CRAP! 1200 vintage and rare motorcycles in one building. This place is Nirvana, people. I'll post a video on the Spyder Facebook in a day or two. But right now I've still got about 2,000 miles to ride to get home, to give myself 48 hours to catch up on everything before I head out again.
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Okay - just to be clear, I never considered this "mud slinging." Believe me, I've had my share of REAL mud slinging, and this ain't it. Just a little good-natured give-and-take.
Actually, I catch a LOT more flack from my motorcycling audience and buddies, for being a three-wheeled "traitor."
Truth is, I don't care a whole hell of a lot what anyone else thinks - I'm out riding and having a great time. And I get paid for it! Eat your hearts out...
By the way, spent today at the Barber Museum. HOLY CRAP! 1200 vintage and rare motorcycles in one building. This place is Nirvana, people. I'll post a video on the Spyder Facebook in a day or two. But right now I've still got about 2,000 miles to ride to get home, to give myself 48 hours to catch up on everything before I head out again.
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I'll bet you do get the 'Traitor' tag from more than a few. I was blown away by my brother's reaction. He is the BMW type but right now he owns an FJR (somewhat of a traitor himself, in BMW circles).

My brother and I get along very well but he was actually upset that I would purchase, and then actually RIDE a 3 wheeler.

But, like you, I'm not all that concerened with what someone else thinks. If I like it, that's all that matters. If someone else likes my ride, it's just gravy!:ohyea:

I rode a 441 BSA Victor as my dirt bike in the deserts of California for a few years. People thought I was crazy! (Probably) Some wanted to ride it, but no one wanted to start it! :yikes:

Long Live Amal!
 
Okay - just to be clear, I never considered this "mud slinging." Believe me, I've had my share of REAL mud slinging, and this ain't it. Just a little good-natured give-and-take.
Actually, I catch a LOT more flack from my motorcycling audience and buddies, for being a three-wheeled "traitor."
Truth is, I don't care a whole hell of a lot what anyone else thinks - I'm out riding and having a great time. And I get paid for it! Eat your hearts out...
By the way, spent today at the Barber Museum. HOLY CRAP! 1200 vintage and rare motorcycles in one building. This place is Nirvana, people. I'll post a video on the Spyder Facebook in a day or two. But right now I've still got about 2,000 miles to ride to get home, to give myself 48 hours to catch up on everything before I head out again.
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You just have to love Fred's attitude. I am like him, I don't care what others think as I still have my 2001 Honda Valkyrie Interstate that is chromed out and fast as hell nojoke but I am really having a great time ryding my 2010 RT-S.:D

And for those traveling through Alabama around the Birmingham area, the Barber Museum Fred eluded to is in Leeds off I-20. Here is their link for further information: http://www.barbermotorsports.com/general/vintage-museum.php :doorag:
 
Come now... clearly this thread has become to agreeable. Dirt bikes on a rain soaked morning anyone?
 
man that was a long thred,but fun to read,and that guy that road the bsa single in calif desert i did too a 500 single matchles,around ridge crest calif.and here i am after a cross crunty race.yes thats frist place i have in my hand 1957.:2thumbs::chat: i love this form.:thumbup:
 

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you aren't kidding its long! i was hoping it would get pushed to oblivion, but you had to go and respond to bring it back to the top! come on, i have already gotten enough heat from starting this little fire.:yikes:
 
man that was a long thred,but fun to read,and that guy that road the bsa single in calif desert i did too a 500 single matchles,around ridge crest calif.and here i am after a cross crunty race.yes thats frist place i have in my hand 1957.:2thumbs::chat: i love this form.:thumbup:
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Geez - I get on the road and out of touch for a couple of days, and all hell breaks loose.
You know, "fordguyupnorth," you COULD have just emailed or called and ASKED me about all this before creating this little firestorm. It's weird watching everyone postulate on what they "think" I meant or said. But now that the damage is done, I'll try to answer all the questions. First of all, though, if you're looking for apologies or retractions - forget it. I still believe in and stand behind everything I wrote.
So for starters, the book manuscript was submitted to the publisher about eight months before the first time I ever threw a leg over a Spyder. That right there should explain a lot. And I have no control over the printing and distribution schedule. When the economy hit the fan, Motorbooks International put all new releases on hold for a year, so the book was nearly 18 months late coming out. Please don't give me any more flack about not including the Spyder - I hadn't ever ridden one when I wrote that book.
It was noted that I said that I figured the minimum fuel range of a touring bike should be 175 miles. That puts the Spyder right on the fence as barely acceptable. But for the record, I like so much else about it, this would not be enough to keep me from riding it all over the country, which I have done and am doing again right now.
As far as not buying the first generation - I still believe in that. My early production RT has had a half-dozen "teething problems," but as I noted elsewhere, of the 300-plus vehicles I have tested in my career, the Spyder ranks in the top two or three for having the least amount of problems. That's really saying something, but not much solace to those who plunked down $30,000 and then had to have their DPS replaced, or a clutch upgraded, etc. If I had bought this Spyder, I still would have loved it, but I wouldn't have been too happy with the early problems. And yes - I am getting a new 2011 RT in about two weeks - and I'm excited about it.
By the way, I don't consider my book the "bible," or myself a "god." I HATE the title of the book, but like most of our politicians, I didn't read the fine print on my contract, and the publisher got the final say on the title. I wanted to call it "The First Million Miles."
Oh, and another thing, I have already proposed writing a book strictly about the Spyders. The publisher and I are in negotiations about it.
Did I leave anything out? Feel free to ask, but do me a favor and don't make assumptions on my behalf. I'm perfectly willing to answer any questions, as honestly as possible.
Final note for now -- before riding the Spyder, I had tried at least six other three-wheelers and hated them. I never expected to like the Spyder. In fact, my intention was to ride one for a while and then tell all my readers why they shouldn't buy one. I'm man enough to admit I had preconceived prejudices, but also that the Spyder surprised and amazed me. I am a total convert, and hope never again to be without a Spyder in my garage!
Fred
I just got an RT-S 2010. I am going on a trip from Mo thru Ia to Wi,to TN,to Nc and back to Mo. Haven't sat down and figured out the milage yet but wonder what YOU are getting towing the BRP trailer( I have that too) in gas milage. So far without the trailer am getting about 27 mpg. That's only over 2140 miles tho. I figure every 100 mi better get gas???Seems I am really pushing that little red spot on the gage when I get around 100 to 114mi. Scary if you are a ways to go before the next gas station. Any help here would be appreciated. The whole rig may well end up being about 1800 to 1900lbs ( when I had it attached to my RS it's wt was 1500 with me on) and hopefully it will pull just as well with the RT. Great TRAILER!!! Wonder what your wt is and whether it affects the milage by a whole bunch. :dontknow:
 
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