Flag and National Anthem protests

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True Pete! But I can't give up my caffeine!!! :yikes:

 

[BoilerAnimal]

Indeed when you source of education is the neighborhood bar, and that is how you form your opinions, we are all in trouble!:yikes:

Far too many Americans get their news from only one source and that source may not even be a reputable one. When you limit your news sources, you set yourself up to be woefully uninformed and easily misled by false claims or manipulation of facts.

 

[wyliec]

Mormons are Christians. "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints"

And, since this is a thread on patriotism, maybe all American theists should join the Mormon church. It is, after all, the only authentic American church, untainted by 2000 years of foreign traditions and holy wars.

Do you have scientific proof? Who was the scientist, and where was he credentialed, and in what year? Does he/she (transgender) also shear sheep, while eating a pastrami sandwich? All while on one knee, which was just replaced recently, and is awaiting bilateral hip replacements.

I think that covers it.

Who is on first?

 

[ARtraveler]

Actually, if the US had a national church, it would have to be the Mormon church. It is the only authentic, original, made-in-America religion. Everything else is a foreign import and would be subject to an import tariff.

Christian Science (Mary Baker Eddy), Jehovah's Witnesses (don't remember the name of founder), also come to mind.

 

[Bob Denman]

Actually, if the US had a national church, it would have to be the Mormon church. It is the only authentic, original, made-in-America religion. Everything else is a foreign import and would be subject to an import tariff.

This is absolutely a non-issue: we have safeguards in place to prevent the existence of a "national church"...
Why bring it up? :dontknow:

 

[Bob Denman]

Of course it's a non-issue. But interesting to contemplate don't you think in light of the religious bigotry that is expressed every day by red-blooded, bible-thumping citizens?

I prefer to think about the possibilities, and not waste time on things that will never be...

 

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

Well, your ignorance and religious bias is on full display in this post. I think I know now where you prefer to get your information from.

What we should be concerned about in this country is the perpetuation of misinformation for political and economic gain.

Not that you will change your beliefs, but the Mormon Church is actually called the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints; they have the same Bible as you do. They have additional texts to guide their daily life and behavior, just as does the Catholic Church and other major religions.

If you really knew the Old Testament, you wouldn't be so quick to judge Islam as being racist, misogynistic or anything else that is anathema to our modern society (you know, the one with football).

YES i admit i am racist for reading the koran, judeo/christian bible , mormon bible and others and not interpreting just straight reading. but what i do know is up until the late '80's blacks were not allowed to be mormons and the reason they allow them is because they were opening up churches on the continent of africa. now as for the koran, it is the absolute word of allah and can not be altered. so
everything in it is true today and must be followed verbatim. so in essence a radical muslim is one who does not follow all that the
koran says so they may not be racist or beat their wives, a good muslim does so. as for the judeo/christian bible most people today
use them as allegories and don't follow it exactly and only the good that is stated in it.
Perhaps if you read more and attacked less you might know this to be true. If i truly were racist or ignorant i might follow religion
but alas i don't, i apologize.
Oh, by the way, do you know anyone who actually follows the old testament?
Now back on point a little, why does the kkk hate blacks & burn crosses? i am just saying these are the people that the protests
should be against since they are the ones (a**h***s & religious fanatics) that have a higher propensity towards hate then the
average joe or johnny law.

 

[ARtraveler]

WARNING, WARNING, WARNING

Time to turn down the rhetoric you three. Your going to get the thread closed or deleted. The line has been crossed a whole bunch of times.

I would consider deleting a couple of the most recent posts, I am guessing the black triangles are showing up or some are thinking about them. Not me--so far. :thumbup:

 

[Bob Denman]

WARNING, WARNING, WARNING

Time to turn down the rhetoric you three. Your going to get the thread closed or deleted. The line has been crossed a whole bunch of times.

I would consider deleting a couple of the most recent posts, I am guessing the black triangles are showing up or some are thinking about them. Not me--so far. :thumbup:

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[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

:agree:

 

[UtahPete]

I would consider deleting a couple of the most recent posts, I am guessing the black triangles are showing up or some are thinking about them. Not me--so far. :thumbup:

Done. Thanks for the heads-up.

 

[UtahPete]

ok i would like anyone on here or kapernaki to tell me why there are no protests against the mormon church since in their bible it says dark skin is a curse or evil or something like that. the koran has statements from mohammad calling blacks raisin head & that whites are superior to blacks. wouldn't this outright racism be a lot more important to protest and make people aware of? i'm sure kapernaki might have some muslim teammates he should be talking to, and understand this according to the koran you can not be a good muslim unless you believe and follow all that mohammad says. the kkk and the very small percentage of police who absolutely are racist are a minute fraction compared to these 2 religions in the u.s.

This is misinformation. Express your opinion if you'd like, but don't go making things up just to bolster your argument.

 

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

This is misinformation. Express your opinion if you'd like, but don't go making things up just to bolster your argument.

are you kidding?! you think that is stuff i am making up?! try watching the news, reading even read the mormon bible or koran to
find out if what i said is true or b.s. do a google search or look at wikipedia or perhaps ask those who go to those churches, what they
will say is "we don't do that anymore" not that we don't do that. the mormon religion is partially based on freedom for plural marriage &
islam is for domination over inferiors & over women (plural marriage & child rape. pakistan, saudi arabia, nigeria...)
i read a lot on the internet, i don't youtube, facebook or any of those other things that you might waste time on.
if you think the mormon church is fair & just then look into what they did about prop 8 in california a few years ago and why the u.s.
government has investigated their finances for many years.

this is just the quick stuff i have found, please tell me if any of it is wrong.
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/Quran/cruelty/long.html
http://janmorganmedia.com/2014/05/proof-islam-evil-violent-intolerant-straight-koran/
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/BOM/cr/long.html

 

[Bob Denman]

 

[Rogue Hawk]

Nope.. I meant systematic.

Blacks in America have been systematically oppressed since they were 'freed'. Jim Crow. Sundowner laws. Segregation. Incarceration. Police brutality.
Blacks are generally treated differently by police. They have a much better chance of being shot or beaten. If arrested they generally do considerably more time than a white counterpart does for the same crime.

They are not treated the same or fairly in general. There is plenty of evidence to support this.

If people seriously don't understand that, then they're in denial.

The history is bad, but the country today is not '1950 Mississippi bad'. There are people who blow the problem out of proportion for political reasons. I think most people now will agree that mistreatment by police is unacceptable. Its the exaggeration many of us disagree with.

Also, police who use force are unfairly treated in the Media (guilty until proven guilty). The criminals know this and take advantage of it. That makes the world a more dangerous place. Also, police don't have community support in Black neighborhoods. That is why many are riddled with crime. I live in the Chicago area. The local news daily reports on the latest violent acts, mostly Black on Black crime, which is glossed over by Liberals. In my neighborhood, mostly Indian, Asian and White, we support police and don't tolerate criminals in our mist. So we have a safe place to live.

 

[UtahPete]

The history is bad, but the country today is not '1950 Mississippi bad'. There are people who blow the problem out of proportion for political reasons. I think most people now will agree that mistreatment by police is unacceptable. Its the exaggeration many of us disagree with.

Also, police who use force are unfairly treated in the Media (guilty until proven guilty). The criminals know this and take advantage of it. That makes the world a more dangerous place. Also, police don't have community support in Black neighborhoods. That is why many are riddled with crime. I live in the Chicago area. The local news daily reports on the latest violent acts, mostly Black on Black crime, which is glossed over by Liberals. In my neighborhood, mostly Indian, Asian and White, we support police and don't tolerate criminals in our mist. So we have a safe place to live.

I agree with the statement in bold. But I don't think that's reason enough to ignore the problems that persist.

The statements in red are suspect at best; they are extremely biased and just add weight to the bigotry that perpetuates the problem of police violence in SOME communities.

That's my opinion.

 

[Bob Denman]

Have you ever seen a cellphone video on Youtube, that showed the Officers in a positive light? :dontknow:
If I have: they've been VERY few, and far between! :banghead:

 

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

the other problem is for the videos that make police look bad, you don't always see the beginning of what let up to the situation or the full
ending. oft times it is the back story that tells you why.

 

[cmbspyderrss]

the other problem is for the videos that make police look bad, you don't always see the beginning of what let up to the situation or the full
ending. oft times it is the back story that tells you why.

Just like our news of today. Show or listen to the whole thing and thoughts would be much much different on all sides.

 

[Firefly]

YES i admit i am racist for reading the koran, judeo/christian bible , mormon bible and others and not interpreting just straight reading. but what i do know is up until the late '80's blacks were not allowed to be mormons and the reason they allow them is because they were opening up churches on the continent of africa. now as for the koran, it is the absolute word of allah and can not be altered. so
everything in it is true today and must be followed verbatim. so in essence a radical muslim is one who does not follow all that the
koran says so they may not be racist or beat their wives, a good muslim does so. as for the judeo/christian bible most people today
use them as allegories and don't follow it exactly and only the good that is stated in it.
Perhaps if you read more and attacked less you might know this to be true. If i truly were racist or ignorant i might follow religion
but alas i don't, i apologize.
Oh, by the way, do you know anyone who actually follows the old testament?
Now back on point a little, why does the kkk hate blacks & burn crosses? i am just saying these are the people that the protests
should be against since they are the ones (a**h***s & religious fanatics) that have a higher propensity towards hate then the
average joe or johnny law.

Ugggg. where to begin....

1. Allah is the same as God. Christianity, Judaism and Islam all come from the God of Abraham. Same (imaginary)guy.
2. Mohammad is simply a different prophet like Jesus. The Koran even mentions Mr. Christ numerous times.
3. No, a good Muslim doesn't beat his wife, etc. That is hyperbolic nonsense spread by Islamaphobes.
4. Judging the majority of Muslims by the actions of the few radicals is like judging most American Christians by the actions of Jim Jones or the Westboro Baptists.
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On the KKK, the cross burning may stem from them originally being an anti-Catholic group.