Flag and National Anthem protests

[classicvw]

It is in the NFL rules for all players to stand for the National Anthem.

It is not in the NFL 'rules'. It is NFL policy. Policies can be enforced, policies can be changed from day to day, or those in power can decide to not enforce a certain policy, which is what's happening in this instance.

 

[Firefly]

Tommie Smith and John Carlos protesting during the anthem at the Olympics in Mexico?
They were not so popular for doing that but are now considered heroes who stood up for black rights.

Heroes!? Are you kidding, how many of todays black youth remember them or care, they are more interested in scoop doggie do or
ice anyone. They were booed and banned by the ioc after that disgraceful act. You may not agree or even trust our leaders and i don't but i still show respect to our country but not to our politicians who represent themselves.
Now if they want to stay on their knees then it better be from getting up from a tackle or in the locker room while another player is
changing.
SHOW RESPECT TO OUR COUNTRY
I do believe in the ideology of what the u.s. stands for

Plenty of veiled racism in your comments. It's obvious you don't know much about black culture or you'd know that Tommie Smith and John Carlos are considered heroes. Just because they aren't seen that way in your perfect white world doesn't mean others don't see them that way.

Young black males are being systematically targeted and shot by police. You might be okay with that, but many of us are not.

The kneeling isn't disrespecting our country.... please.....it's a stupid football game and a pretty lame song as well.. guess that makes me unpatriotic....:roflblack:

 

[Firefly]

Those of you 'offended' by the kneeling....

A question.....

How upset did you get and how much did you protest and boycott over these actual violations of the flag code by these America haters? Or I guess many call them 'patriots'.

 

[asp125]

If someone disrespects the flag etc, I give them the side eye and shake my head and move on. It doesn't affect my own patriotism what someone else thinks. I could care less, F*** 'em. Is your ego so fragile that you throw a fit if some stranger has a different point of view? The country is moving towards intolerance of dissent, free thought, and democracy if you ask me. Pretty soon even those rights that were fought for since the Boston Tea Party will be gone. That would be a sad day when we must all toe the line and obey our dear leader. You want a country that must act the same, think the same, believe the same? I have some suggestions: North Korea, Iran etc.

 

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

Are you really asking that question or just feel like stirring the pot some more?

yes i truly am asking that question, if others can say or do as they think even if it offends some shouldn't i have the same right
to express myself?

 

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

Plenty of veiled racism in your comments. It's obvious you don't know much about black culture or you'd know that Tommie Smith and John Carlos are considered heroes. Just because they aren't seen that way in your perfect white world doesn't mean others don't see them that way.

Young black males are being systematically targeted and shot by police. You might be okay with that, but many of us are not.

The kneeling isn't disrespecting our country.... please.....it's a stupid football game and a pretty lame song as well.. guess that makes me unpatriotic....:roflblack:

heroes by who? you ask 10 black people if they ever heard of those guys and i would be surprised if 5 actually did and 2 knew what
they did.
As for your "Young black males are being systematically targeted and shot by police" why don't you check statistics on who is shot
and killed by police before you make stupid, yes stupid ignorant comments. Oh by the way i don't think you are unpatriotic just an
a**h**e.

 

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

Please, all you guys were staying quite civil, until the last few posts. You want me to kill this thread? Keep it up.

 

[Firefly]

heroes by who? you ask 10 black people if they ever heard of those guys and i would be surprised if 5 actually did and 2 knew what
they did.
As for your "Young black males are being systematically targeted and shot by police" why don't you check statistics on who is shot
and killed by police before you make stupid, yes stupid ignorant comments. Oh by the way i don't think you are unpatriotic just an
a**h**e.

Wow.. classy.....

It's not about the numbers.... it's about the facts.. which I've researched plenty. As white males we generally don't worry when pulled over by cops that we'll be shot and killed. We don't generally get followed around a store for the color of our skin. We can walk into a bank dressed like a slob and still get treated well and a bank loan. The same cannot be said for many of our African American citizens.

Until you accept and understand your white privilege, there's no hope for you... and I'm guess you'll never accept the fact that is white privilege.

You win the Classy Spyder guy award today..... :firstplace::firstplace::firstplace::firstplace::firstplace::firstplace::firstplace:

 

[jcthorne]

Young black males are being systematically targeted and shot by police. You might be okay with that, but many of us are not.

Sorry but its the belief by many that this statement is true because it has been so widely broadcast by the mainstream media solely to stir this discontent that is the real basis of the the problem. Its NOT a true statement. Yes there are clashes between black males (and other minorities) and police that are a result of cultural and behavioral differences but to assume its the police that are systematically seeking out black males for murder is flat out wrong. Until both sides recognize this and work to correct the real cause, it will not get fixed.

Kneeling to disrespect the flag and the country you are supposed to be a part of only makes the fallacy grow.

I likely should never have clicked on this thread....

 

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

Wow.. classy.....

It's not about the numbers.... it's about the facts.. which I've researched plenty. As white males we generally don't worry when pulled over by cops that we'll be shot and killed. We don't generally get followed around a store for the color of our skin. We can walk into a bank dressed like a slob and still get treated well and a bank loan. The same cannot be said for many of our African American citizens.

Until you accept and understand your white privilege, there's no hope for you... and I'm guess you'll never accept the fact that is white privilege.

You win the Classy Spyder guy award today..... :firstplace::firstplace::firstplace::firstplace::firstplace::firstplace::firstplace:

As an african american that did not grow up with your white privilege i really wish i knew what you know. perhaps unlike you i worked
for all i have, my wife & i paid for our wedding. now cut the crap and live in ny so you can experience the real world.
Pull up your pants, show the officer your license when requested and stop talking back so as to make him feel more comfortable
when he pulls you over for the broken tail light that you know you have had for the past 6 months which is the reason you don't have
a current inspection sticker.

 

[wyliec]

Please, all you guys were staying quite civil, until the last few posts. You want me to kill this thread? Keep it up.

I'd say kill it. No one is going to be swayed to change their mind based on what they read here. The issue of the day has run its course.

 

[Firefly]

As an african american that did not grow up with your white privilege i really wish i knew what you know. perhaps unlike you i worked
for all i have, my wife & i paid for our wedding. now cut the crap and live in ny so you can experience the real world.
Pull up your pants, show the officer your license when requested and stop talking back so as to make him feel more comfortable
when he pulls you over for the broken tail light that you know you have had for the past 6 months which is the reason you don't have
a current inspection sticker.

This has nothing to do with you paying for your own things, working hard, etc....

Again.. you obviously don't understand what white privilege is.

All you have are continued insults towards those who have differing opinions. #classy
Judge a complete stranger as someone who hasn't worked? Yeah.. because building and owning my own business for 37 years didn't take any work.

I'm also pretty certain that there are no laws saying you have to pull your pants up or not talk back.

Sounds like you want to live in a police state. Perhaps it is you that should seek a new country then.

You'll never understand what this is all about, so I won't even bother with trying to educate you anymore.

Buh-Bye....

 

[Firefly]

Sorry but its the belief by many that this statement is true because it has been so widely broadcast by the mainstream media solely to stir this discontent that is the real basis of the the problem. Its NOT a true statement. Yes there are clashes between black males (and other minorities) and police that are a result of cultural and behavioral differences but to assume its the police that are systematically seeking out black males for murder is flat out wrong. Until both sides recognize this and work to correct the real cause, it will not get fixed.

Kneeling to disrespect the flag and the country you are supposed to be a part of only makes the fallacy grow.

I likely should never have clicked on this thread....

Just because you say something isn't true doesn't make it so.
Please do some research on how we have systematically incarcerated and treated blacks as second class citizens ever since slavery was abolished.
Blacks are arrested more and do much longer sentences than whites do for the same crimes.
Blacks are treated differently by many of the men in blue as well as other citizens.
Have you been followed around a store because you're white? Have you ever feared being shot when you got pulled over for a broken tail light?

If you're actually interested in learning more about this I can recommend some good books.
If not, that's fine too.

That the flag is 'disrespected' by kneeling is merely your personal opinion.. which you are welcome to. Many of us (including many veterans) do not share your opinion.

Hoping you were equally (if not more) outraged when Kid Rock, Ted Nugent and Sarah Palin wore the flag as clothing........


Still don't think this entire topic has any place out here.....

 

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

Just because you say something isn't true doesn't make it so.
Please do some research on how we have systematically incarcerated and treated blacks as second class citizens ever since slavery was abolished.
Blacks are arrested more and do much longer sentences than whites do for the same crimes.
Blacks are treated differently by many of the men in blue as well as other citizens.
Have you been followed around a store because you're white? Have you ever feared being shot when you got pulled over for a broken tail light?

If you're actually interested in learning more about this I can recommend some good books.
If not, that's fine too.

That the flag is 'disrespected' by kneeling is merely your personal opinion.. which you are welcome to. Many of us (including many veterans) do not share your opinion.

Hoping you were equally (if not more) outraged when Kid Rock, Ted Nugent and Sarah Palin wore the flag as clothing........


Still don't think this entire topic has any place out here.....

to start with when you say we i know i haven't been a part of the we, so tell me what have you done to blacks?
as for being arrested more please check fbi stats as to what & why and tell me why most black crime is on blacks.
at my store the only ones who are watched more are kids & teens, they like to steal valve caps off of display wheels.
i have never feared being shot when pulled over but have had an officer break my tail light with his gun, he got in trouble for that one.
in my years in business & a licensed driver i have had 3 times been asked for a bribe but never paid yet i still show respect to police
since i believe that is a very small minority of those that serve & protect.
Well as for kid rock, ted nugent & sarah palin..........he was nailing pamela anderson so kid gets a pass, ted is a nut job & sarah well
she is just a moron so i don't care.

 

[Pirate looks at --]

Since this is deteriorating, maybe you should take the argument to PMs instead. That way we don't have to witness the carnage!:roflblack:

 

[ARtraveler]

Another fire storm that will never be solved in this forum.

I am officially out. :thumbup: No further comments. And, two have been deleted.

 

[UtahPete]

Another fire storm that will never be solved in this forum. I am officially out. No further comments. And, two have been deleted.

I was hoping we could avoid a firestorm on this thread. Our divided nation needs to find a way to have civil dialog between factions. There have always been, and always will be, differences of opinion but they don't have to devolve into trench warfare. I'm still hopeful.

 

[wyliec]

There have always been, and always will be, differences of opinion but they don't have to devolve into trench warfare. I'm still hopeful.

That's funny. Did you forget where you were at? That's spyderlovers middle name- warfare.

 

[UtahPete]

That's funny. Did you forget where you were at? That's spyderlovers middle name- warfare.

Comic relief is good, don't ya think?

 

[wyliec]

to start with when you say we i know i haven't been a part of the we, so tell me what have you done to blacks?

I watch Survivor's Remorse; does that count?