FIRE!!!

[Lone Spyder Ryder]

Little tired of hearing it is always the riders fault.

Hey bone crusher,
maybe you should reserve judgment until it is your Spyder we are all talking about. Not BRP fault. Steering was all the riders’ fault. Is that is why BRP was forced to recall the Spyder. 3 DPS units later and there is still a problem with the power steering. I know because I was still having problems with the steering the day my Spyder self-ignited and my DPS was replaced.
The gas problem has been going on since the Spyder came out. Just why is it you think my insurance should have to pay for BRP’s flaws. FYI there has been 8 burnt up on the forums and there are 3 more on the Copart site.
If it was a over fueling problem why did BRP do a recall. The Spyder is a very special machine and no one is disagreeing with that. But there is a problem and when the Spyder is still under warranty it is not my insurance that should pay for it. I supposed it was top of the line engineering that put a 6.6 or 7.3 gal tank that can’t be filled. Oh that’s right it is the riders fault and your are right about after all we bought a Spyder.
Below is a link to a example of how it should work. http://www.thetechherald.com/article.php/201035/6098/Freak-fires-force-Ferrari-to-recall-the-458-Italia don’t matter what machine cost, it is the company that sells it should back it. :gaah:

It was just pointed out to me that the Spyders that are on Copart were part of a dealership that caught fire. The 2010 RT looked like that would have been the case. the other three looked a lot like mine and the others posted here.

 

[IWN2RYD]

The various changes brp made during the updates being directly related to the fires has not been verified. While it sound probable.... We just are not sure. I blame the canister for the source .... But not sure about ignition source...... But I highly doubt it's the hot pipes---- more likely a spark.

I don't believe fumes can ignite from a simple heat source like the pipes----- they would have to be basically be red hot.

As stated once before----- you can literally boil gas on an electric stove.

The stupid canister is storing fumes---- and somehow released to an ignition source.

That's my theory and I'm sticking to it

I am leaning this way as well.

Just as an FYI for everyone.. Seriously! Weird things happen when we have a "fuel" source mixed with heat. Here is an example of a real life situation.

A very good friend of mine owns a large and very successful NY Deli... For years his wife would wash the deli towels at home on a Friday, load them in the trunk Friday night so they can take them down Saturday morning...

Well... One Friday night they had a family member over... Heard a commotion around 11:30pm... Joe got up to investigate, only to find the noise to be coming from the garage. He heard what sounded like the Garage Door opening and closing...

He opened the home entrance door to the garage and saw his garage on fire.

The end result of this story is very simple. The Fire Marshal said this happens at least once a year in. The towels never really get cleaned, there is still oils and grease on them. And when the "Environment" is just right the towels will self ignite and that is that.

The home had over, $230,000 in damage, lost the two week old luxury car, $1200 in cash and so on....

For personal example... I used to race. I have had more than one vehicle catch on fire. One day I was racing... Smelled fuel... About two laps later I was on fire. Total loss for the vehicle, scarrrrrrry situation for me, no harm done though...

I thought the fire started in the engine compartment. Like here... thought maybe the fuel leaked onto the exhaust pipe... What they told me surprised me. I was incorrect. However enough fuel was leaking to create a good amount of fumes... Then when I would brake hard going into a turn... These fumes would do what all air and liquids do... Move forward to the front... Well they say that the Disc Brake gets VERY hot, sparks more often than we think, and ignited the fuel fumes, that traveled back in a blink of an eye to the fuel source.. and the fire took over from there...

I now respect those signs that say "Keep xyx feet" form this item with flame, phones etc... Or even pumping gas at a gas station http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=639389n&tag=related;photovideo

Now I love this one from Mythbusters... [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRGrFLRs9xE[/ame]

Anyway. I hope that as we all read these types of threads that we realize just because we have not experienced it, or are as educated or informed as a Fire Marshal is, that we do not make a fatal mistake and assume something that can end up being a very dangerous situation for us.

 

[WackyDan]

Well.. Theories are always food for thought. We may never know the reasons for the fires and many could indeed be unrelated to each other.

On saturday, I stopped to gas up the Spyder. I generally pay close attention to the nozzle, but this time I was in a hurry, set the nozzle at one click, and was screwing around in my trunk when I heard what sounded like running water.

Gas was pouring out of the Spyder... The nozzle had not released automatically. Lesson learned. *But, the spyder did not ignite.

That gas was streaming all over a still very hot, just shut down Spyder...Needless to say, I put the cap on, and pushed the Spyder away and parked her. Had a couple bottles of water that I poured down inside the panels, and made sure I poured enough to get any and all pockets of gas flushed out of the under frame panels... Then I waited a good while for any residual gas to fume off before firing her up again...

If anything, these threads make us paranoid.. and if it makes a few of us check clamps more often than not, it is good.

 

[wyliec]

I now respect those signs that say "Keep xyx feet" form this item with flame, phones etc... Or even pumping gas at a gas station http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=639389n&tag=related;photovideo

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Thanks much for posting that link. I will definetly make sure I discharge myself and make the gf aware. Although when I do exit to pump gas, I shut the door and didn't know I was actually discharging myself. That's some good stuff. Thanks again.

 

[Rockytime]

So here's the link (which I had to take off my Youtube account from my Droid since work doesn't let me on Youtube, email it to myself and stick it in here) Phew! :2thumbs:

Let me know if you can see it or not.

It came through without a hitch!

 

[wyliec]

So here's the link (which I had to take off my Youtube account from my Droid since work doesn't let me on Youtube, email it to myself and stick it in here) Phew! :2thumbs:

Let me know if you can see it or not.

It came through without a hitch!

Where's the link?

 

[themobb]

Thanks for your service, and sorry about your fire...

I just brought my wife's spyder home today after the dealer 600 mile check. ($380!!! OUCH)

Anyway, strong smell of gas in garage after I parked it. Don't remember it doing this before... Dealer says they did not change fuel filter or mess with anything else fuel related... :dontknow:

Just hope it's outside when it decides to fire up...


Lance

 

[mc2276]

Well, found out what happened. It was caused by the evaporator canister. Since I was deployed, I was unable to get the recall done. BRP is covering all costs (over 4 grand) of the repair. I should have my Spyder back in about a week as long as the parts come in, which BRP also stated they are putting a priority on.
I want to say thanks to everyone who emailed me. Especially Lamonster for your assistance on getting BRP involved with this. I was seriously loosing faith in BRP and the dealership. BRP has redeemed themselves. And I know my insurance company is also grateful.

 

[Big Arm]

GREAT NEWS :2thumbs:

Glad to hear you are being taken care of by BRP :clap: :clap: :clap:

 

[SpyderFun]

Sport or Touring OR Both?

From 1 Vet to another.....Thanks for being there for all of us!


:helpsmilie:

Is this just something that is happening to a specific make and/or model (ie: Sport) or is this an issue for ALL Spyder make and models? :dontknow:

 

[truck 85]

Thanks for being there for all of us!


glad to hear you are getting it fixed.

 

[Raptor]

That's great news, hope you get it back soon. Also, the first Spyder fire that I've heard of BRP accepting responsibility for. That's good news, too. :2thumbs:

I'm with HDX on this one. Very cool they are taking care of you. After all, you guys take care of us. Thanks for your service man. :doorag:

 

[Boriken]

Glad that you are OK Sargeant:yes:, welcome back home and thank you for your sevice.

 

[millers1]

Well, found out what happened. It was caused by the evaporator canister. Since I was deployed, I was unable to get the recall done. BRP is covering all costs (over 4 grand) of the repair. I should have my Spyder back in about a week as long as the parts come in, which BRP also stated they are putting a priority on.
I want to say thanks to everyone who emailed me. Especially Lamonster for your assistance on getting BRP involved with this. I was seriously loosing faith in BRP and the dealership. BRP has redeemed themselves. And I know my insurance company is also grateful.

That is outstanding news! Way to go BRP. BTW.. thanks for serving.

 

[SpyderWolf]

This is actually great news on many fronts. First of all you are getting your Spyder fixed, and BRP is standing behind it. Secondly it shows the recall work to extend the evap cannister vent tube is a credible fix as well. This is very reassuring, at least to me if nobody else.

Thanks a bunch for posting the update, and thanks again for your service as well. :thumbup:

 

[Lone Spyder Ryder]

Don't quite understand why Fire is not warranty

Hi all.
This is just my way of thinking but every time I hear someone say just let your insurance company take care of it I get a little upset. I do believe that the Spyders that are burning up should be repaired or replaced under the warranty. My house did not catch the Spyder on fire nor did anything else catch it on fire. Something happened under the “Tupperware in front of the seat and the side panel. End of story. Same place that most have reported seeing the smoke or flames. This is a BRP problem.

Just because it’s not your problem yet, don’t mean it can’t or won’t be your problem one day. I had a friend that thought my complaints on the forums here were bad for all the Spyder owners and that you should just really say good things here. Well needless to say I didn't agree with him then and I still don't agree.

When I hear that self-igniting Spyder in not BRP’s responsibility I think about Toyota’s sticking gas pedal that is always the drivers fault. It is just mostly driver error. The CA State Trooper that lost his life along with his family did notpanic and miss the brake and kept his foot on the gas. The gas pedal stuck. But you say hey the back box on the Toyota should that the brake was not applied. Last week it was very quietly announced that the software in the black box was faulty and Toyota knew that also. BRP kept telling people that there was not a steering issue also.

Second reason for not wanting to use insurance is unless you buy and pay extra for replacement of vehicle insurance you end up with actual cash value. MSRP for a 2008 Spyder SM5 is $15499.00 according to Elk Grove Power Sports and Redding Yamaha Sea-doo. That is what they told my insurance company. I never heard of anyone buying one new for that price but that’s what the dealers. So I paid $16500 for mine new. Added $4800 on mods makes $21300. Offer from insurance so far $13200. I know a lot of people are going to say that you never get your money for extras. I paid an extra $90 for coverage of the mods I added so I should get the $4800 for that back but not so far. That’s a loss of $8100 for a 25000 mile ride of which 21000 miles of it was with steering problem, missing, sputtering, and the off and on smell fuel did not make for completely carefree riding. I always had the off and on steering problem and always thought about the possibility of fire. Add extremely expansive service that may or may not have been done. You can’t stand and watch them work on it so you don’t know what they do or don’t but in my case I know that I rode with a loose throttle body and air intake control valve out of adjustment that the one dealer that had to for weeks could not find.
Yep I don’t think it my insurance company’s fault the Spyder burned up. Tomorrow BRP is supposed to be here in Sacramento, Ca to check out my Spyder. I guess I should be thankful for that. But I don’t think they will really be able to tell much. The guy that picked up the Spyder just loaded it on the truck and took off. All the melted part and pieces that were on the ground and part of the back of the trunk were left behind. I did pick it all up and was kept it but last garbage day it got put out with the trash so that’s the end of that. I really find it upsetting that BRP did not find the fire important enough to send someone to my place to look at the whole scene. They would have learned a lot more. But what the heck it’s just one guys problem and he is kind of grouchy anyway.
So stay tuned. Be it BRP, Insurance, or Attorney? I will get some satisfaction one way or another. Yep you might say I am kind of upset.

P.S. I do believe we all have a right to say what we feel so my response above is just that. My opinion right, wrong or indifferent just an opionion.
SpyderWolf I agree with you it seems odd to me also but then I have done a lot of complaining about the problems I have had so maybe that’s it. Just don’t know.

 

[SpyderWolf]

Have you made any contact with BRP about this yourself?

It seems odd to me that they are taking care of MC2276's fire issue, but nothing is being done about yours. Perhaps you should send him a private message to see what he is doing differently. :dontknow:

 

[SpyderFun]

I said it once and I'll say it again, machines ARE NOT designed to catch fire as a requirement of meeting some "Operational Safety Standard"!

What would happen if an airplane just suddenly caught fire? Should we accept Boeing, AirBus or Bombardier at their word that it was the pilots fault? I think not.

I am for:
1) a through investigation being done to determine EXACTLY WHY this is happening and to fix it BEFORE someone is injured or worse and;
2) until this happens BRP MUST assume it is THEIR problem and not that of the insurance companies! Remember 1 good suit could end their product line(s) in these tough times!

Time for someone to man-up by stepping-up and assume some responsibility in discovering "WHY ARE SPYDERS CATCHING FIRE?"

Finally, is this only a RS issue or has it been happening to the RTs as well? If it has not happened to the RTs, ask yourselves, "what is DIFFERENT between them that may be causing it" and start looking there!

Sorry but with over 20-years in aviation myself and the fact BRP is involved in aviation should mean they are more than knowledgeable in how to handle this issue.

HOW WOULD BOMBARDIER (BRP) HANDLE THIS IF IT WERE ONE OF THEIR AIRPLANES FLEET MODELS THAT SUDDENLY CAUGHT FIRE?

Why should we expect them to handle this product ANY differently? And people wonder why lawyers & juries get involved!!!

 

[Smylinacha]

I don't blame you for being upset - I would be too! I hope you get this all straightened out. No fun plunking down good money for some enjoyment and all you get is problems and then the roundaround.

 

[Firefly]

Your insurance company may go after BRP for some of the $$$ if they do some research and feel BRP is at fault--- but does it really matter to the end user where the $$$ come from? Let BRP and your insurance figure it out.

Insurance will even pay if you did something stupid and set it on fire yourself-- that is why we have it.

I have actual replacement coverage of my Spyder and all the mods---something you might want to take a look into for the new one.

Sorry for your loss.... hope you're back on the road soon!