Extreme Heat on 2013 RT

[Yazz]

:lecturef_smilie: No they are not for RT's ST's only

Sorry about that... Thought there was light at the end of the tunnel for All the '13s heat problems.

 

[robmorg]

Before you start spending tons of cash trying to fix what you may not be able to. I would suggest you read everything that was done by 'datguy' in his attempt to slay the dragon.

Then remember....after all he did. It all went up in smoke....on a 95 degree day, and not far from home (meaning his spyder hadn't really warmed up yet).

Then again, if you wait for NHTSA to conclude their investigation and any corrections that MAY come about as a result of it. You will likely be a year or two older.

Sometimes we're dammed if we do and dammed if we don't.

Jerbear,

I could be wrong, but I thought I saw a post by Dat Guy where he said that the only significant thing that he had done by way of trying to rectify the heat was to wrap the exhaust headers. Also we don't really know what was actually going on under Dat Guy's cowlings that played a hand in his unfortunate incident. Faulty purge valve? Some other fault with the EVAP system? Something melted before he did the 2013-8 update? Could have been any one of a number of things, in conjunction with the excess heat, that contributed to that fire.

I think the best advise to 2013 owners is... FIRST make sure you have done BOTH the 2013-8 and 2013-9 warranty updates and then do whatever else you can NOW to remedy the heat, instead of waiting for BRP to make up their mind what, if anything, they are going to do as a result of the NHTSA investigation. There have been lots of options described here in the forum that can help. I'm sure you are not regretting spending the time and money you did to resolve your heat problem, nor do I. We both are enjoying our Spyders a lot more now, right?

BTW, I'm not sure if I ever properly thanked you for your "Slaying the Dragon" post. I used many of your suggestions concerning the use of reflective heat tape and expanded on them a bit. That yielded great results for me, along with wrapping the headers, which I also think helped.

 

[Jeriatric]

Looking back...

Jerbear,

I could be wrong, but I thought I saw a post by Dat Guy where he said that the only significant thing that he had done by way of trying to rectify the heat was to wrap the exhaust headers. Also we don't really know what was actually going on under Dat Guy's cowlings that played a hand in his unfortunate incident. Faulty purge valve? Some other fault with the EVAP system? Something melted before he did the 2013-8 update? Could have been any one of a number of things, in conjunction with the excess heat, that contributed to that fire.

I think the best advise to 2013 owners is... FIRST make sure you have done BOTH the 2013-8 and 2013-9 warranty updates and then do whatever else you can NOW to remedy the heat, instead of waiting for BRP to make up their mind what, if anything, they are going to do as a result of the NHTSA investigation. There have been lots of options described here in the forum that can help. I'm sure you are not regretting spending the time and money you did to resolve your heat problem, nor do I. We both are enjoying our Spyders a lot more now, right?

BTW, I'm not sure if I ever properly thanked you for your "Slaying the Dragon" post. I used many of your suggestions concerning the use of reflective heat tape and expanded on them a bit. That yielded great results for me, along with wrapping the headers, which I also think helped.

It appears Dat Guy has edited (erased) at least some of his heat related statements, findings and or fixes. Tho, the comments to those posts are generally intact.

Thanks for the compliment. It's nice to know the post helped someone.

 

[jcthorne]

Hmm, so CCCA tells the OP that she's sorry he's experiencing heat problems with his '13. She then tells him that she has a '14 and can "vouch" for the fact that BRP did properly address the heat problems with the new model, and then expresses a "hope" that he can swing a new bike, which is what he said he was wanting to do.

So explain to us all how is that "rude" and/or "unkind"? So where in that posting did she "tell" any '13 owner that they "needed" to upgrade?

Your post reads like someone who is bitter at BRP and has a severe case of buyer's remorse over his purchase and is taking it out on another lister. :lecturef_smilie:

I've got a better suggestion for you. Instead of us '14 owners who saved our money to buy one, why don't you take it out on BRP instead of picking on another lister who expressed sympathy to the OP with a problem.

Lets just agree to disagree. Your interpretation of the post is not mine, nor how I and others read it. We 13 owners saved our money and handed it over to BRP as well. Lets get back to solving the problems.

 

[Ford 1]

Heat / Fix it your self

I rode my 13 RT Sunday ,My air Temp gauge was 102 and the heat gauge for the Motor was a little way below 1/2. After about 250 miles I started getting hot myself. But not a bad ride for Houston,Tx this time of year.

 

[Bob Denman]

Lets just agree to disagree. Your interpretation of the post is not mine, nor how I and others read it. We 13 owners saved our money and handed it over to BRP as well. Lets get back to solving the problems.[/QUOTE]

:agree: Squabbling over this solves nothing; time to get back to correcting the problem. :thumbup:
The way I see this... If the owners can find solutions in their own back yards; what does that tell you about the innate intelligence of BRP's engineers?
Or the Corporate Decision-making process? :dontknow:

 

[Pirate looks at --]

Unbelievable

Its really great that you love your 14 and all but...

The 13 owners, myself in particular, are REALLY tired of the advise to replace it with a 14. The idea that we just bought a bike in the last year should now go drop ANOTHER 10 to 15k to get one we can actually ride due to BRPs design faults. THAT IS NOT advise or helpful. Its a blatant and unwanted nose rubbing. Yeah great, you love your 14, we paid our money and should be able to love ours too.

Hey, why don't you suggest all the 14 owners get together and start a fund to help all the 13 owners get what they already paid for. About 10k from each 14 owner should be about sufficient to make this work.....Yeah, did not think so.

Go enjoy your 14 but the next time you feel the need to tell a 13 owner they need to upgrade to a 14 at their own expense, DONT. Its very unkind and rude.

Quite frankly, this is the rudest post I have ever read on this forum, and there have been lots of them. I have to agree with one of the other people commenting on your post, that you interpreted the post the way you wanted to, not the way it was written. I am truly sorry that you have so many problems with your 2013. I am in that same boat, and yes it gets warm on a hot day. So as a fellow 13 owner, I will advise you to sell your 13, and take the money and run. Or do as others have stated and look into some remedies that may lessen your pain and bitterness as you are clearly on unhappy camper. One of the best suggestions I could make is to get out and ryde, it is amazing how much a little wind therapy can improve your out look on life. I find that as long as I wear appropriate riding gear, riding pants and boots, most of the heat issues are minimized, even in 107 degree heat.

Just don't ATTACK other people on the list who were just reassuring the OP that if they did go with a 14 they would not have the same issues. I wish you look with whatever route you take.

 

[DC_Jon]

I'm a hair under 16k miles on my 2013 RT. All maintenance and recalls fixes were performed per the owners manual or dealer recommendation. Zero problems and zero error codes thrown so I don't understand this thread's conversation. I'm either lucky or properly set my expectations.

 

[outlawsix]

Its really great that you love your 14 and all but...

The 13 owners, myself in particular, are REALLY tired of the advise to replace it with a 14. The idea that we just bought a bike in the last year should now go drop ANOTHER 10 to 15k to get one we can actually ride due to BRPs design faults. THAT IS NOT advise or helpful. Its a blatant and unwanted nose rubbing. Yeah great, you love your 14, we paid our money and should be able to love ours too.

Hey, why don't you suggest all the 14 owners get together and start a fund to help all the 13 owners get what they already paid for. About 10k from each 14 owner should be about sufficient to make this work.....Yeah, did not think so.

Go enjoy your 14 but the next time you feel the need to tell a 13 owner they need to upgrade to a 14 at their own expense, DONT. Its very unkind and rude.

Amen! If you don't have a 13 or earlier and suffer from the heat, then dont comment at ALL!!!!!!!!!!

 

[robmorg]

I find that as long as I wear appropriate riding gear, riding pants and boots, most of the heat issues are minimized, even in 107 degree heat.

What exactly do you mean by "riding pants", and how do they help with the burning inner thigh problem from the seat heat? Are you talking about over-pants with armored reinforcements?

 

[Dragonrider]

All of the 990s had/have heat issues, of one kind or another. There was a lot of effort done to manage the issues, and help make the machines more heat friendly. Somewhere on here is my 2009 thread talking about the gas smell from my RS, and the canisterectomy I performed to get rid of it - following the suggestions and directions from a host of other SpyderLovers who had already done this to their bikes.

My 2010 RT wasn't a lot better, and required a modification to the vapor management system to get rid of the fumes - and still left me with a right "hot foot" in the summer, on long trips. The CAT delete, aftermarket exhaust, header wrapping, and other mods were done by many to improve that issue. Still, all of us rode the wheels off our Spyders. While the mechanical design of the 2013s added a notch or two to the problem, it's not really any different from all of the other 990s. We have such short memories these days!!

Make the mods to get the heat out from under the tupperware, and ride the wheels off your 2013s. By 2018, everybody will be swearing at the poor 2014s - it's a matter of perspective, and the learning curve of the manufacturer (BRP). We all know that the REAL cause of the heat are the stifling emission laws and the truly crummy gas we use. It's the same for BRP, Hardley, BMW, and all the others who produce V-twins.

The major improvement is the inline engine - where all the cylinders see the cooling air equally - rather than having one jug generating more heat in the shadow of its leading hot partner.... JMHO

 

[SubDriver]

13 problems

I bought my 13 RT LT in June of 13. I had never rode any type of motorcycle in my life. The bike was an incentive for my wife to beat cancer and let's go riding. Unfortunately she didn't and never had a chance to ride. That being said I found I really enjoyed the Spyder and kept it. Only had 1 time thought it was too hot on my right leg.
I'm sure there are folks having problems with the heat and the boiling gas. I rode a friends 14 RT and could not believe the difference. Then after reading all the comments and the NTSB investigation I traded up for a new 14.
Wasn't worried about the heat problem I was worried the trade in value would go to zip point crap in the near future.
That being said, I like the 14 so much better that I took it in the shorts on trade in. For those who say keep the 13 until BRP makes things right.....we'll I don't see that happening for a long time.
IMO..go with what makes u happy! I have found, as many members here that life is to short to dick around. I'm 62 and the Spyder has me felling like a 30yr old punk!! :doorag: