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Exhaust wrap

OK, I'll ask - What are the possible consequences of an overly lean condition? :dontknow::helpsmilie:

Depends on how overly lean you go. All EPA engines run lean these days. It is supposed to reduce emissions and I guess we will have to take their word on it. So Lean is a relative thing.

You can get away with a certain amount of lean.

A lot of lean and you'll destroy an engine in short order. Wrapping your exhauast isn't going to make any appreciable difference to your fuel mix and that's what is important here.
 
Exhaust gasket damage?
i am guessing because wrap is retaining heat it can cause engine to run hotter and cause premature gasket failure? exhaust and or head.

i was hesitant take them off when one party recommended to take them off but when both recommend spyder is better off without the wrap, i will listen...
 
I have the Micron exhaust and am about to install the O2 modifier. After reading this threat, I'm confused about whether or not to wrap. :helpsmilie:

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i have mine wrapped end to end but with recommendation from my current dealer and ken from evoluzione.net i will be taking them off. wrap is keeping the heat in and may cause premature gasket damage and others and was design to be cooled by the air flow inside engine compartment, according to both of them.

Sorry but this really does not make much sense to me. I suppose the exhaust gaskets will take a bit more heat but they should be designed to take a lot more heat than could be safely created by this engine.

From what Lamont tells me the exhaust gaskets may be a weak link but that would not be the fault of wrapping the exhaust. He's found some much better exhaust gaskets made by Honda that should work really well.

As for cooling from air flow inside the engine compartment....there just isn't nearly enough air flow to cool those pipes. Why do you think it gets so nasty hot in there?

Personally, I would rather replace an exhaust gasket once in awhile than heat dammaged soft parts like sensors, hoses, spark plug wires, fuel lines, body pannels, etc.

I've got over 13,000 miles on my Spyder and almost all of that with wrapped exhaust. We just did 2 full days of 80mph + (over 1,100 miles in 1 day) in 104 degree heat going to California. No exhaust gasket damage on my Spyder.

Lamont has, what, 35,000 miles on his Spyder. Most of that with wrapped exhaust. He has had some exhaust gasket issues but so have a lot of bone stock Spyders. Plus, Lamont changes exhaust systems more often than I change my underware! All that off and on experimentation is harder on an exhaust gasket than a few more degrees of heat.

I like my pipes wrapped. Like everything else, some will and some won't. But from everything I've seen it's a very good way to go.
 
i did like it when it first wrapped but it does makes sense that wrap is retaining heat and makes overall temp higher and i am assuming there is more air going thru the engine compartment than i thought there was once spyder starts moving. i will take little more heat on my legs than more heat on engine itself so wrapping will be unwrapped.:shemademe_smilie:
 
i am guessing because wrap is retaining heat it can cause engine to run hotter and cause premature gasket failure? exhaust and or head.

i was hesitant take them off when one party recommended to take them off but when both recommend spyder is better off without the wrap, i will listen...

I would like them to explain their reasoning a little better.

Your exhaust gasses are not hotter with the wrap. They exit the exhaust valve at the same temperature as always. Wrapping the exhaust pipe simply prevents a lot of heat from escaping into the engine compartment where it heats things up quite a bit.

Since less heat is radiated into the engine compartment, your side pannels, air box, fuel tank, and everything under the hood will be cooler. This is bad?

Many exhaust systems are double walled. Part of this is to keep the chrome from turning colors. Still, if insulating the exhaust pipe was a bad idea they would not do it. A double walled exhaust is essentially doing the same thing as wrapping. It retains exhaust gas heat inside the exhaust pipe.

Think of it this way. You have your hot water heater set at 125 degrees but your uninsulated pipes are losing heat and delivering only 110 degree water to the faucet.

If you insulate your pipes you'll get 120 degree water at the faucet. And you have not changed anything at the hot water heater. You're still generating the same 125 degree water.

You're not making the hot water heater run hotter and you're not making your engine run hotter by insulatiing the pipes. Your engine should actually run cooler, though I doubt we will see any difference.
 
It seems to me that the benefits of wrapping your headers far outweighs the side effects.

On a side note, I noticed tonight that my exhaust is leaking.... and yes, I have a Hindle. I do not know how long it's been leaking, but it definitely is. Just one more thing for the dealer when it goes in for service.
 
It seems to me that the benefits of wrapping your headers far outweighs the side effects.

On a side note, I noticed tonight that my exhaust is leaking.... and yes, I have a Hindle. I do not know how long it's been leaking, but it definitely is. Just one more thing for the dealer when it goes in for service.

Be sure the "Leak" is not designed in. Most mufflers have a weep hole designed to get rid of condensation. It will be located on the bottom at, or near, the lowest point of the muffler. You will get a small amount of exhaust through this hole.

If the leak is in the piping (which yours is not) then that is a failed gasket or lose fit (probably the gasket).

Lamont has found an exhaust gasket made by Honda that is less money and looks to be a better product than the BRP version. That is what I will use if I need to replace mine.
 
Honda muffler gasket / seal

Lamonster which Honda p/n did you use to get the exhaust gaskets I want to go ahead and order some to have on hand?

I'm sure when the good number is posted their supply will decrease some.

Thank you, Ken
 
Be sure the "Leak" is not designed in. Most mufflers have a weep hole designed to get rid of condensation. It will be located on the bottom at, or near, the lowest point of the muffler. You will get a small amount of exhaust through this hole.

If the leak is in the piping (which yours is not) then that is a failed gasket or lose fit (probably the gasket).

Lamont has found an exhaust gasket made by Honda that is less money and looks to be a better product than the BRP version. That is what I will use if I need to replace mine.

No, it's not the weep hole, I know all about that. It's back further, where it slips onto the header. I started the Spyder up last night and noticed it sounded like it was sputtering a bit and breathing funny. I stuck my hand underneath the exhaust pipe and could feel a considerable amount of exhaust coming out near the joint. I'm going to work on it this week and weekend and work all the kinks out.
 
Hindle

No, it's not the weep hole, I know all about that. It's back further, where it slips onto the header. I started the Spyder up last night and noticed it sounded like it was sputtering a bit and breathing funny. I stuck my hand underneath the exhaust pipe and could feel a considerable amount of exhaust coming out near the joint. I'm going to work on it this week and weekend and work all the kinks out.

When you get those "Kinks" worked out I'm sure a bunch of folks would like to know what they were since exhaust leaks seem to be a major issue with the Spyder.nojoke:doorag:
 
When you get those "Kinks" worked out I'm sure a bunch of folks would like to know what they were since exhaust leaks seem to be a major issue with the Spyder.nojoke:doorag:

I will let you know if I have any luck. I just noticed the leak last night after about 10K miles of having the Hindle installed.
 
I will let you know if I have any luck. I just noticed the leak last night after about 10K miles of having the Hindle installed.

One easy way to tell whether or not you have an upper or lower gasket leak is to take a shop towel (or two) and momentarily block the muffler exit. If you have a leak upstream, you'll hear it.

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Does anyone for see a problem with the wrap holding condensation and causing the pipe to prematurely rust out?:dontknow: More so in the cooler damper climates,when the temps. fluctuate greatly overnight.
 
Does anyone for see a problem with the wrap holding condensation and causing the pipe to prematurely rust out?:dontknow: More so in the cooler damper climates,when the temps. fluctuate greatly overnight.

The stock pipes are stainless steel.

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The stock pipes are stainless steel.

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You beat me to it...

They are talking about Ceramic coating on the general board. That is the best way to go for sure. Much more expensive but does an even better job of holding the heat in than this wrap does.

Looks great too but that's not really an issue with the Spyder. I hope someone goes that route and lets us know.
 
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