Excessive Loctite

[agedbikeman]

Can someone explain to me Can-Am's obsession with loctite, they even use it on bolts with nyloc nuts, now seriously what are the chances of a nyloc nut ever coming loose. I've just removed the rear wheel for a new tyre and could have done it in half the time but for loctite, even the rear axle nut was glued on with it and that has a cotterpin. It will all be re-assembled with all traces of loctite removed and trust the nyloc nuts to do the job they were made for. :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

My other bikes don't even have nyloc nuts and not a trace of loctit in sight, never had anything ever come loose.

 

[Pampurrs]

Wait until you have to remove the brake calipers to replace the pads. :gaah:I think they must've used permatex on those bolts. I replaced them with blue locktite.

Pam

 

[AY4B]

Also wait till you replace the muffler. You will need to cut off the bolts.

 

[SpyderAnn01]

I don't have an answer as to why they use so much but I do have an awesome way to clean off the old stuff. It is called the Thread Wizard, here is a link to their website http://www.threadwizard.us/gal.html

 

[M109Dreamer]

I don't have an answer as to why they use so much but I do have an awesome way to clean off the old stuff. It is called the Thread Wizard, here is a link to their website http://www.threadwizard.us/gal.html

Thats pretty slick. Beats using the wire wheel or brush. Gonna order me one. Thanks for the link.

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[SpyderAnn01]

Thats pretty slick. Beats using the wire wheel or brush. Gonna order me one. Thanks for the link.

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They are really slick, we got ours at the SEMA Show in Las Vegas. I had just cut my fingers on a wire brush and when the lady demonstrated this with her fancy manicured hands I was sold.

 

[Chupaca]

Cool. ..

I don't have an answer as to why they use so much but I do have an awesome way to clean off the old stuff. It is called the Thread Wizard, here is a link to their website http://www.threadwizard.us/gal.html

Always used my tap and die set but this looks like it will do the job...thanks..:bowdown::bowdown:

 

[midnightbreeze50]

Can someone explain to me Can-Am's obsession with loctite, they even use it on bolts with nyloc nuts, now seriously what are the chances of a nyloc nut ever coming loose. I've just removed the rear wheel for a new tyre and could have done it in half the time but for loctite, even the rear axle nut was glued on with it and that has a cotterpin. It will all be re-assembled with all traces of loctite removed and trust the nyloc nuts to do the job they were made for. :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

My other bikes don't even have nyloc nuts and not a trace of loctit in sight, never had anything ever come loose.

I have used locktite for a long time, I want you to think about this , Just what if a bolt works its way loose, that's why I use locktite, the equipment I work on Demands it, nylock nuts are very good , unless in high heatareas , I;ve seen them melt, there are a lot of choices of locktite , used in Various situations and bolt sizes, I recomend 298 locktite, it is a wicking grade , you tighten up the bolt , then use the locktite, Rather have it on the bolt than not, Just my choice, Can Am may be using the wrong locktite for the size of bolt or application, seen it done...


Just saying , Midnightbreeze:yes::yes::yes:

 

[agedbikeman]

Wait until you have to remove the brake calipers to replace the pads. :gaah:I think they must've used permatex on those bolts. I replaced them with blue locktite.

Pam

I did remove the rear caliper yesterday to get the back wheel off, needed a 4lb hammer on the end of an 18" socket bar, no locktite when they go back.

Changed the front brake pads on my other bike the day before, no loctite, no washers no nothing just 2 plain bolts done up with a bit of common sense.

Seems loke BRP delight in doing things with the express purpose of causing the owner and mechanic a problem.

THERE IS NO ONE MORE STUPID THAN A MANUFACTURER

 

[SPYD3R]

DITTO

Wait until you have to remove the brake calipers to replace the pads. :gaah:I think they must've used permatex on those bolts. I replaced them with blue locktite.

Pam

DITTO on the calipers Pam.....
also, when removing the FOOT PEG BOLTS on my F3 to install my FLOOR BORDZ, i had to DRILL out the bolt, i literally rounded-out the allen-head openning of the bolt...
as stated before NYLOC FASTENERS DO NOT REQUIRE LOC-TITE.....
SPYD3R

 

[agedbikeman]

I have used locktite for a long time, I want you to think about this , Just what if a bolt works its way loose, that's why I use locktite, the equipment I work on Demands it, nylock nuts are very good , unless in high heatareas , I;ve seen them melt, there are a lot of choices of locktite , used in Various situations and bolt sizes, I recomend 298 locktite, it is a wicking grade , you tighten up the bolt , then use the locktite, Rather have it on the bolt than not, Just my choice, Can Am may be using the wrong locktite for the size of bolt or application, seen it done...


Just saying , Midnightbreeze:yes::yes::yes:

Not 100% sure on this one, will someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression, probably misguided that it was the thread that held a nut and bolt together and if there was any danger of it coming loose, you use a shakeproof or spring washer!!!!!!
BRP have no excuse, shakeproof washers are also called "SPIDER" washers

 

[wyliec]

I have used locktite for a long time, I want you to think about this , Just what if a bolt works its way loose, that's why I use locktite, the equipment I work on Demands it, nylock nuts are very good , unless in high heatareas , I;ve seen them melt, there are a lot of choices of locktite , used in Various situations and bolt sizes, I recomend 298 locktite, it is a wicking grade , you tighten up the bolt , then use the locktite, Rather have it on the bolt than not, Just my choice, Can Am may be using the wrong locktite for the size of bolt or application, seen it done...


Just saying , Midnightbreeze:yes::yes::yes:

I agree, especially at around 12,000 miles on my 2008GS when the clutch basket came off the end of the crankshaft (I think that's how it is connected). The dealer (after looking at it) called BRP b/c the bolt that held the clutch basket in place had no loctite. That was a no fun situation I was put in. I was doing around 65 mph, and I saw a red light ahead, and couldn't downshift, and I'll leave it at that. So, I'd much rather have loctite than none, wherever BRP wants to use it is fine with me.

 

[trikermutha]

JMO- but if it doesn't come off easy it is either rusted,stripped or Loctite on the threads. Try a heat gun it may help loosening the bolt up before damage happens (Loctite on the threads)..Sometimes it takes more heat that you think..Be carefull around the plastic could melt/warp it.

Loctite Blue Light Duty Thread Locker. Usually you will not need het to get off
Loctite Red May need heat to get off.
Loctite Green Yes you will need heat.

 

[JayBros]

Based on buying some button head bolts online from BRP for a farkle I would offer that BRP itself may not be totally to blame for the amount of thread locker we find on bolts we remove. The bolts I bought came with thread locker, not the conventional color coded Loctite we are so familiar with but some form of preapplied compound. That leads me to believe that BRP sources many of their threaded fasteners from activities that apply thread locker as part of the job order. Why do they do this? I would offer that it's probably the best way to avoid poorly assembled parts put together by semi-conscientious assembly line employees and low skilled technicians at dealerships. Thread locker can avoid a lot of comebacks for fall offs when parts are not assembled precisely to specification.

 

[Elembytes]

Manufacturer's vs. Lawyers

I like others here would prefer it to be locked into place instead of vibrating loose on different road surfaces etc., In today's society where people are quick to point a finger and go to court, I think manufacturers are taking the road of "Overkill" instead of having something come loose, someone gets hurt, they end up in court. Many people say they don't want something, but then when things happen to them, boom, they are in the fast lane to bring a lawsuit. So I can see it from the manufacturer point of view pretty easily.

Oh- I did like that "Thread cleaning tool"--that is slick!

Have a safe and happy 4th of July!

 

[agedbikeman]

Excessive loctite

Based on buying some button head bolts online from BRP for a farkle I would offer that BRP itself may not be totally to blame for the amount of thread locker we find on bolts we remove. The bolts I bought came with thread locker, not the conventional color coded Loctite we are so familiar with but some form of preapplied compound. That leads me to believe that BRP sources many of their threaded fasteners from activities that apply thread locker as part of the job order. Why do they do this? I would offer that it's probably the best way to avoid poorly assembled parts put together by semi-conscientious assembly line employees and low skilled techincians at dealerships. Thread locker can avoid a lot of comebacks for fall offs when parts are not assembled precisely to specification.

Then assemble it correctly and use something called QUALITY CONTROL on the assembly line, goodness knows these bikes cost enough if not too much for their build quality.

 

[rcturner]

If you have ever owned a Harley or other bike that shakes a lot you would understand why there is so much interest in not having the bolts come loose. BRP seems to have gone overboard but, they typically don't fall apart. When my Ultra Classic was still almost new, I took it back to the dealer because several bolts had come loose and I was told that Harley did not consider this to be their issue. It was my responsibility to keep everything tight by retorquing all bolts on the bike regularly. Another reason that this bike lost it's happy home.

 

[agedbikeman]

If you have ever owned a Harley or other bike that shakes a lot you would understand why there is so much interest in not having the bolts come loose. BRP seems to have gone overboard but, they typically don't fall apart. When my Ultra Classic was still almost new, I took it back to the dealer because several bolts had come loose and I was told that Harley did not consider this to be their issue. It was my responsibility to keep everything tight by retorquing all bolts on the bike regularly. Another reason that this bike lost it's happy home.

My other bike is a 650 suzuki Burgman, never ever had anything come loose on it, no loctite or nyloc washers anywhere that I've found, I have to say that my 1330 spyder is the roughest running engine I've ever had, but then it's my first non-jap bike for 40 years.