billybovine
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The discussion is always lively when discussing ethanol fuel. Here is a link to a video with some very interesting testing of various fuels. Enjoy.
https://youtu.be/UvS_D4_lF5U
https://youtu.be/UvS_D4_lF5U
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Ethanol Fuel
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ARtraveler
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Snowbelt Spyder
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100LL AV-Gas?
Mikey
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That was a cool clip and of coarse it will get the boys going and asking if a different stabilizer would change the out come of the test, bla bla bla! When Maine started the ethanol gas it was hell on wheels for a lot of us, our sleds, boats, mowers, any thing that had a small engine that may sit for a while or had a open vented tank system, it sucked!! The price of replacement carbs went down thro, I think, most of your small engine shops don't rebuild a carbs any more when you can by a new carb for what you use to buy a kit for!! I can remember my dad growing up, always ran his motors dry of gas when he was done using it at the end of season, and always used new fuel on the start of a new season! That worked then, and will work today!!! E10 gas don't have the shelf life like the old gas use to!!! All I know is when you have a system that works for you just stick with it, if it works don't change it!!!! Let the games begin!!!!:roflblack::chat: P.S 10-4 on the av gas!!!!:firstplace:
Snowbelt Spyder
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Av-Gas - unfortunately, even if you wanted to pay for it, Av-Gas still has lead in it. Lead deposits will kill your Cat and O2 sensor among other problems.
BLUEKNIGHT911
Sadly Passed Oct 2024 - RIP
:roflblack::roflblack::roflblack: …….Tell that to the BRP engineer who fixed / changed the NOT broken DESS module in 2014 :gaah: ….. Mike
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Lew L
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:roflblack::roflblack::roflblack: …….Tell that to the BRP engineer who fixed / changed the NOT broken DESS module in 2014 :gaah: ….. Mike
Speaking of the DESS module------ I just switched mine out to the new series. pulling the frunk is time consuming but not tooooooo hard.
Mike, I mounted it in the stock location because of the vibration isolation system. I know what vibration can do to electronics.
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Gwolf
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If the pump says 10% or less ethanol, the modern motorcycle engines are designed to use it and you won't have any problems with it. The older engines and some small engines such as generators, mowers, and some marine engines did have problems with ethanol because it deteriorated the hoses, o-rings, and other rubber products it came in contact with. Even modern engines with ethanol safe rubber products in the fuel system may have some problems with ethanol when they sit for long periods of time without being used. The ethanol tends to absorb water from the atmosphere. The ethanol will absorb water and then it may separate from the gasoline which will really cause problems. If the engine is used regular and refilled with fresh fuel the 10% ethanol gas should not cause a problem. If the vehicle is going into long term storage, it might be good to fill it the last few tanks with ethanol free gasoline and also add gas stabilizer to the tank.
https://dualsportalchemy.com/cold-shoulder-prepare-motorcycle-long-term-storage
https://dualsportalchemy.com/cold-shoulder-prepare-motorcycle-long-term-storage
Sspradlin
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Sorry Ron ethanol doesn’t cost more to make than gas, this is one of the tales everyone likes to keep saying and if heard enough they believe. As far as the video I can get a piece of aluminum from my junk pile that hasn’t been anywhere near fuel and it will look all pitted and corroded. In the past I’ve taken carbs apart from the 70’s that were junk and they never say any ethanol, I also have been stranded in the past with water in a carb before e10 was available, and with the water sitting in the bottom of my carb they were junk then.
Lew L
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" Bad gas " existed long before alcohol was added to our fuel. Underground tanks got all manner of matter in them. Remember the wooden sticks used to measure how much fuel was in the tanks????? We were also advised not to fuel up when the tanker truck was adding( mixing) with the fuel at the bottom of the tank. A hotted up 450 Honda I had was having fuel delivery problems and I finally diagnosed the problem to the petcock. Upon disassembly there was a large splinter from the measuring stick restricting fuel flow. Us older riders have lots of " stuff" in our fuel filters. And haven't diesel trucks use a water separator along with a filter for decades.
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BajaRon
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This was a statement from a study done in 2009.
"Every time you make 1 gallon of ethanol, there is a net energy loss of 54,000 Btu." * Ethanol from corn costs about $1.74 per gallon to produce, compared with about 95 cents to produce a gallon of gasoline.'
I know you're going to want chapter and verse on this quote and that is fair. I will try to run this down when I have time.
This study did take into account the actual billions of dollars in subsidies to corn farmers. But it does not take into consideration what these subsidies do to the price of food, etc., or the cost of repairing damage to engines caused by ethanol fuel. Or the cost of redesigning newer vehicles to tolerate ethanol fuels.
There is the added factor that ethanol production has not reduced our dependence on fossil fuels as it takes a great deal of fossil fuel resources to produce the alcohol used in ethanol fuels. Granted prices have changed since 2009. But the relative amounts have remained fairly constant.
If you take a narrow view of the costs to make ethanol fuel, you can come to a lower cost as opposed to gasoline. But if you calculate the total cost from ground to consumer, gasoline is less expensive. And there is no argument that gasoline is more efficient (better MPG), more stable (lasts longer), and less damaging to engines.
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BLUEKNIGHT911
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Thanks Ron …. unfortunately you are :bdh: …… sad to say ….. wish things were different, but the Farmer Corn lobby is HUGE …… Mike hyea:
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BajaRon
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Thanks Ron …. unfortunately you are :bdh: …… sad to say ….. wish things were different, but the Farmer Corn lobby is HUGH …… Mike
Yes I know. I am just...
That's a nice drawing!
hyea:Didja just dash it off while you re-read the earlier posts? :shocked:
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Sspradlin
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If gas costs .95 cents to make why did someone post about the 110 race gas cost 7 bucks? You do realize that ethanol is 110 octane, if you want to compare straight across. Also a straight ethanol engine will put out more hp than a gas one, and I mean an engine built to run on ethanol not a gas engine burning ethanol. You can run a higher boost with ethanol than gas and not hole the piston and if you inject water hp goes up more.
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Gwolf
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Yeah, and the carb freezes on a twenty lap night heat race and if you don't drain the tank and keep the ethanol in a sealed container it will look like milk the next Saturday night from taking up water from the air. The blue flames coming out the exhaust do look cool at night.
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