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ESI Easy Risers and the nightmare of cable slack

daveinva

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Okay, "nightmare" is perhaps too strong a word, but sheesh, they weren't kidding about the cable slack, or lack thereof, were they?

I had a window yesterday afternoon and evening of nice weather (read: not insanely hot and humid) to take apart the Spyder in my driveway and install my new Easy Risers from ESI.

First, the good: :thumbup:
-- The instructions are 95% good enough
-- The quality of the risers (I got the black ones) is first-rate
-- Before I bought the risers, I was most afraid of cutting the bars. That actually went perfectly fine; I bought a ratchet-type bar cutter from Home Depot and that did the trick; actually, it did the trick QUITE well, as the style of cutting was so smooth it didn't need any filing to clean up afterwards. (Piece of advice-- you'll need a pair of pliers to twist the screw on the bar cutter every few rotations in order to keep the blade against the handlebar).
-- It all looks great now that it's (mostly) on!

Now, the bad: :gaah:
-- I don't know what glue BRP is using, but getting the grip off the clutch side was kind of a nightmare, even with windex and a screwdriver. Went on a lot easier with some Gorilla Glue.
-- Per the instructions, I took out that rubber Y-cowl out from under the handlebars. Good luck getting it back on again, I ran out of daylight before I could finagle it last night.
-- After cutting the bars, I needed to use a rubber mallet and WD-40 to pound the risers onto the cut bar ends, even fully unscrewed they don't just slip on. (That's good news for staying tight, however!)
-- Worst of all... the cable slack, or lack thereof.

The clutch cables had one twist-tie, visible right under the handlebars, that was it (i.e., there wasn't another tie underneath the panels). The throttle cables had one clip, no twist-ties.

To free up throttle cable, I had to put the cables above the metal hook on the left underside of the handlebar. I didn't seem to have any trouble on that side.

The clutch cable, however, was more frustrating. I had to take off the frunk release cable (five seconds, it just snaps in and out) to free those cables.

But... that was it. There's no hidden slack where all those cables go under that metal mount underneath the dash. To be honest, I don't see how I got any real slack at all out of the cables beyond what was already there before I ever took a panel off.

As for the risers, they fit, barely. I put them on in the recommended position for an SE5, but I could only get so much rise out of them before the cables went taut. Be aware, at least using my Spyder as an example, you will NOT get full range of vertical motion on the Easy Risers.

That said, I still managed to find comfortable position for me, then used a torque screwdriver (another $50 via Amazon) to tighten the bolts.

Unfortunately, this was about the time I ran out of daylight to finish putting the bike back together, so I just stowed the tools and threw the cover over everything to finish it off tonight.

I have lock-to-lock range of handlebar motion, but it's very tight at full lock. Throttle works fine at all stages. I used the original grip end caps to cover the now-cut stock bar holes, but I'm guessing something was lost in the translation as the screws don't do anything (I seem to recall reading around here there may have been a part I needed to mind when I first took them off the bars... oh well, guess I lost those :gaah:).

Anyway, I hope to have everything together tonight and take it out for a test ride. My greatest fear is that in tugging on the cables to find slack I may have disconnected or outright ripped wires. Guess I'll find that out in a hurry.

Bottom line verdict: installation wasn't terribly time consuming (I spent about 3 hours, but really only about 2 hours of that was working; if I had a decent garage rather than a driveway to work in, I'd probably be able to do this in 90 minutes). Still, those little things mentioned above got very frustrating.

The biggest problem by far was the lack of cable slack; I think at 4.5 inches, the Easy Risers are really running it close to the edge with the available slack; if I had to do it over again, I'd probably go with a 4 inch solution (or 3 inch, if someone had those).

I'll give an update after I ride...
 
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Did you look at this: http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6190
Also did you cut the zip ties on the cables underneath? This is where you will get your slack.

Those are the same instructions and photos that come along with risers, so yes.

And here's where I play dumb: WHAT zip ties underneath?

There were no zip ties on the throttle cables-- again, just the clip that held them together, but that was above the panels, i.e. you could see that clip just underneath the handlebars all while sitting on the Spyder.

As for the clutch side, there was *one* zip tie on the cables, but it was also just underneath the handlebars and seen while sitting on the Spyder, i.e. not underneath the panels/dash.

Now, I admit, unlike the throttle-side cables (which I was able to follow all the way along their path, confirming that there were no other ties), I couldn't get a great look at the entire path of the clutch cables, even with the side panels and console off the Spyder, but following them as far as I could, they disappeared into that metal bar/block right underneath the dash, which I assume is where they connect to something important. If there was a zip tie back there, I don't see how anyone with human fingers can reach that spot.

Anyway, that said, I still have my tupperware off the bike, so I will look again... but what, exactly, am I looking for on that clutch side? (Thanks for the help... don't want to come off snotty, but when it comes to the cable ties, I think I got the "Friday bike".)
 
I did the 4" risers and it was tight, although not too tight. Didn't know they made 4.5" risers, but could see where it would be on the ragged edge of 'too tight'...
 
I did the 4" risers and it was tight, although not too tight. Didn't know they made 4.5" risers, but could see where it would be on the ragged edge of 'too tight'...

Yup, the standard (and more expensive) ESI risers are 4", but the Easy Risers are 4.5".

Gonna go hunt that phantom magic twist tie that may be lurking underneath the dash :sour:
 
The zip ties go all the way down into the bowels of the Tupperware, Also the zips are put on by different workers at the factory, so there never in the same place from one Spyder to the other. Gotta hand it to those Wild and Crazy Canadians.:roflblack:
 
Believe it or not, only one zip tie has to be cut. It is the one way up in front at the end of the cable tunnel just under the control module. You need to remove the right side cover near the trunk and the lower right side panel. Turn handlebars to the left, flashlight to see the loop that is about 2 inches long and cut that one tie. The wiring will now pull out. The rest of the cables are long enough. I have now done this 4 times with the 41/2 inch risers.
 
Believe it or not, only one zip tie has to be cut. It is the one way up in front at the end of the cable tunnel just under the control module. You need to remove the right side cover near the trunk and the lower right side panel. Turn handlebars to the left, flashlight to see the loop that is about 2 inches long and cut that one tie. The wiring will now pull out. The rest of the cables are long enough. I have now done this 4 times with the 41/2 inch risers.

THANK YOU. I love precise instructions!

My likely problem is that in addition to the control console I only took the top side panels off and left the lower panels on, that is, I surely didn't make enough of an effort here :opps:.

I'll try to find that tie tonight.

P.S. I really don't want to scare anyone off from the risers-- they're very nice, and the install is extremely easy for even those (like me) who aren't at all comfortable around mechanical thingamagigs. Really, again, my only problem is that my expectations were out of whack-- I expected there to be obvious twist ties in easy-to-reach places underneath once I got the tupperware off, but that proved not to be the case.
 
I found that cable tie on th cable trunk and cut it without removing and side panels, just top one and display, but it was hard to reach. there isnt 1 inch of extra slack, but it works great. Like you I found removing the hand grips the hardest part of the hole job,Lamonster makes it look so easy!(but thanks for the video!). Now to tackle the "heat management project"
 
You will need to remove the right side Tupperware to get at the cables and ties to provide any more slack. I hope you never have to get that grip off...Gorilla Glue is not the recommended adhesive! :D
 
You will need to remove the right side Tupperware to get at the cables and ties to provide any more slack. I hope you never have to get that grip off...Gorilla Glue is not the recommended adhesive! :D

Well, too late now, but which is the recommended adhesive? I admit, I haven't worked on a whole lot of bikes, but all the bike owners in my circle swear by it for their grips.
 
The zip ties go all the way down into the bowels of the Tupperware, Also the zips are put on by different workers at the factory, so there never in the same place from one Spyder to the other. Gotta hand it to those Wild and Crazy Canadians.:roflblack:

:lecturef_smilie:Now, now. Not all of us are wild:p
 
Well, too late now, but which is the recommended adhesive? I admit, I haven't worked on a whole lot of bikes, but all the bike owners in my circle swear by it for their grips.
There is such an animal as grip glue, but I usually just use a little RTV silicone. There are other methods, for tightly fitting grips, but they are not recommended in this day and age. The troubles with Gorilla Glue are: 1. It dries hard, not flexible; 1. It expands as it cures, so it can go where you don't want it; 3. It holds to the hanlebars like a rock, so it leaves lumps if you change the grips again.
 
There is such an animal as grip glue, but I usually just use a little RTV silicone. There are other methods, for tightly fitting grips, but they are not recommended in this day and age. The troubles with Gorilla Glue are: 1. It dries hard, not flexible; 1. It expands as it cures, so it can go where you don't want it; 3. It holds to the hanlebars like a rock, so it leaves lumps if you change the grips again.

Good advice... wish I had it earlier. Oh well, guess that grip ain't goin' anywhere now!

(Actually, the *good* news is, it's on the small bar supplied with the ESI riser kit-- if I ever have to replace the grip, it's a sure lot less of a headache getting a new small bar from ESI than it is in replacing the entire stock handlebar!)
 
When I did mine, I used Gorilla Duct Tape on the handlebar before I put the clutch side grip back on!! It's not moving!! For those that want to be a smarty-pants, the sticky side of the tape is actually ON the handlebar--not the inside of the grip!!! ;)
 
Wow. Did I ever screw THIS up.

Got home, checked for more twist ties. REALLY checked, with as many panels off as possible. Couldn't find any more. I had already tested it last night, lock to lock, and tried that again-- no issues.

I figured, as good as it's going to get.

Put all the panels back on, cleaned everything up, did some final tweaks to the positions, tightened all the bolts. Now for the moment of truth.

Turned it on... it worked. Yay!

Started going through all the functions-- throttle worked, gear selector worked, reverse worked, Mode button works, brights worked, horn worked, warning flashers worked...

Turn signals on left grip don't. Crud.

Gearshift selector shifts into first, shifts into reverse, shifts into neutral from reverse, but won't downshift into neutral from first. Crud.

That's it, but that's enough.

I did a quick check into the control units to make sure I didn't disconnect anything there; everything looked okay.

Which likely means I yanked something apart deep within the bike, doesn't it? :gaah:

Oh well. Whatever I did, it's now officially beyond my expertise and patience to fix on my own. I'll drop it off at the dealer this Saturday, and curse myself for being a dumba$$ (especially since it'll now surely cost me hundreds extra in labor alone to fix a problem with risers I could have the dealer install for me in the first pace for a lot less money :gaah::gaah:).

Anyway... if anybody has some suggestions, I'm all ears.

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EDIT: At first I thought the headlight flashers on the right controls didn't work... on a hunch, I tried them again, and realized they only work when the lights are off. Whew! Guess that means I only hosed the wires on my left side.
 
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Ugh. Ugh. Ugh.

Just got off the phone with my dealer (I dropped off my Spyder last Saturday morning, they finally got to it today).

First, they gave me heck for the ESI Risers. "There's not enough cable for your risers, and Can-Am doesn't make longer cables. We only sell the [read: useless] 1" Can-Am riser for a reason."

I respond, just because I'm an incompetent installer doesn't mean there's not enough cable for those risers, obviously other ESI customers have installed them without a problem, so perhaps my initial suggestion that there is additional cable underneath the panels that in my incompetent installation I missed has merit, and if for his $95/hour rate the tech could pretty please with sugar on top look under there like I asked, he might find some more slack for me.

Second, the turn signal is busted, and the only solution is a new control housing. Parts have to be ordered (great, I'm NEVER getting the Spyder back before the fall now). With our local criminal labor rates, I'm looking at $457 to replace a part that worked fine before, i.e. it's not like this is going to make my Spyder *better*.

I now completely regret putting the risers on myself. Caveat emptor.

Anyway, I forget, there's an ESI rep who reads this forum, right? I wouldn't mind passing along some of their words of wisdom to my dealer. I already provided to the tech the install instructions that came with the risers, I figured that'd be enough to convince him that gee, maybe these DO work...

Ugh.
 
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i just installed easyrisers 4.5 on my bike a few weeks ago and found there was just enough slack, however i did make two relief cuts in the rubber piece under the bars to keep all cables and wires"loose". i also cut the spacer on on right handlebar the same width as the clutch clamp on the left, for symmetry, but it all worked fine.
 
i just installed easyrisers 4.5 on my bike a few weeks ago and found there was just enough slack, however i did make two relief cuts in the rubber piece under the bars to keep all cables and wires"loose". i also cut the spacer on on right handlebar the same width as the clutch clamp on the left, for symmetry, but it all worked fine.

Yeah, I think I'm fine with the slack I have-- again, I can turn it lock to lock, it's snug, but it goes. I just don't have a benchmark for it, and given that my turn signal junked out, I got worried that I didn't have enough slack.

Meaning, once my dealer fixes my turn signals, if he can't get any more slack out from under the Spyder, I'm worried I'll just end up damaging something again.

Which probably means just to be on the safe side I'll replace the 4.5" risers with the 3" ESI ones. Which means EVEN MORE $$$, but I'm paranoid that way.

I just want my bike back :(
 
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