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EPA & Ethonal!

ETHANOL VS LIFE

Farmland prices have also risen beyond the reach of many farmers due to wealthy investors hot to jump on the ethanol bandwagon. And while it seems "corn can be grown most anywhere", it's not as simple as one may think. We've been desiccating our aquifers for decades, so irrigating is no longer a given as many areas have enforced moratoriums on digging new wells for anything but household use. Fertilizer is extremely expensive and is tied to oil prices. Diseases and pests are a constant challenge which require vigilant, expensive, time consuming solutions. There's simply no reason that I can see to encourage the use of ethanol, which, BTW, is also corrosive to steel if the ethanol is allowed to come into contact with air, from which it readily absorbs water and then produces organic acids.
Girl you get it ......please shoot EASY RIDER a PM because He LOVES Ethanol :roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:.....Mike :thumbup:
 
Farmland prices have also risen beyond the reach of many farmers due to wealthy investors hot to jump on the ethanol bandwagon. And while it seems "corn can be grown most anywhere", it's not as simple as one may think. We've been desiccating our aquifers for decades, so irrigating is no longer a given as many areas have enforced moratoriums on digging new wells for anything but household use. Fertilizer is extremely expensive and is tied to oil prices. Diseases and pests are a constant challenge which require vigilant, expensive, time consuming solutions. There's simply no reason that I can see to encourage the use of ethanol, which, BTW, is also corrosive to steel if the ethanol is allowed to come into contact with air, from which it readily absorbs water and then produces organic acids.
i still ask the ? How many gallons can be produced off an acre per year I'm sure if you divided that by the millions burned per day in the us it will add up to lots and lots of land so trying to go more than 10% wil become pretty un feasible
 
Girl you get it ......please shoot EASY RIDER a PM because He LOVES Ethanol :roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:.....Mike :thumbup:

How about not throwing personal insults at other members on here.

You don't agree with me.
That doesn't give you license to disrupt the forum with meaningless arguments.
 
I also disagree with you.

Sorry, I don't see that as a personal insult or a disruption. Ethanol is a hot subject that many feel very strongly about. Running what we do it (ethanol) has been a major pain.
 
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How about not throwing personal insults at other members on here.

You don't agree with me.
That doesn't give you license to disrupt the forum with meaningless arguments.
A meaningless argument like you continue to present you continue to say that motors can be made to run on ethanol yes that is true what every one is stating and you avoid is that it isn't the best idea using farm land and all that is involved giving the fact that more that a gallon is used to produce a gallon and federal subsidies are needed to make it work you can't store the fuel for more that a few months without it going bad and causing problems there is a loss of power and mileage in most of the fleet and so on sure special motors can be run on the stuff but again how many acres per gallon are we talking about here and is competing with our food supply a smart thing to do ,if you look at the time line food prices rose disproportionately to general inflation and it paralleled with the rise of the 7 th wonder of the world forced on the public by the bought and paid for political establishment who always knows more about everything than engineers do Yeah for corn gas
 
You started this post and have mentioned several times, or eluded to the fact, that most of this was the fault of the evil or cheap corporations making the engines or the companies profiteering from the production of our fuels. I guess we know where you stand and where you get your information from.

Fact, yes corn can be grown almost anywhere, it is a great crop, however.... This crop requires a large quantity of water, perhaps more than any other and as one member stated, fresh water is quickly becoming the commodity most needed in the world. Corn also requires a lot of nutrients, such as fertilizer, particularly nitrogen. Someone asked how long it takes, well, the farmers buy field corn seed that is usually 60 to 90 day corn, so again it grows quickly, given the proper circumstances.

The fertilizers have a petroleum component, making it more expensive to use, and high nitrogen content, the run off or excess from these find their way to the ground water or streams and cause O2 depletion, which in turn changes the ecosystem, killing or stunting the fish and increasing multiflora, algae, growth to unhealthy levels. Farmers get blamed and fined constantly when this happens, but it is necessary to produce enough product for what is needed. For decades the corn price was about $2.00 / bushel, when ethanol production came on board with all of its government subsidies, the price skyrocketed to $4.00. There was more water needed, more fertilizer needed and much more fuel burnt to till, plant, cultivate and harvest offsetting the gain in price to agribusiness.

The fact is, the engine, vehicle, and petroleum companies are producing a product for us, employing people that in turn provide housing, food, entertainment, etc. for families. Meanwhile, the politicians that you so adore that put roadblocks in the way of progress for all of us are the REAL profiteers. They are making more profit than anyone and they don't provide anything other than more regulation. That weasel down in Tennessee, I won't say his name, but he is still whining about his presidential campaign loss, has profited many millions from this hoax and he does not even live by the standards that he wants to impose on us. They are the bad guys.

Look, the engine and vehicle manufacturerers can invent, develop and change whatever we want, but it all comes at a cost, how much are you willing to spend? All cars after a certain year will be required to have a screen on the dash that helps us see behind the car while backing up, how much will I have to pay for this unwanted feature?

The elitists think they can legislate it for our needs, or tax the evil corporations, but you and I will pay for that tax, penalty or fine, whatever they want to calll it, with high costs.

And yes, I am on my soapbox, get over it!

Joe
 
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Stop telling lies, check your ideas.

You started this post and have mentioned several times, or eluded to the fact, that most of this was the fault of the evil or cheap corporations making the engines or the companies profiteering from the production of our fuels. I guess we know where you stand and where you get your information from.

Fact, yes corn can be grown almost anywhere, it is a great crop, however.... This crop requires a large quantity of water, perhaps more than any other and as one member stated, fresh water is quickly becoming the commodity most needed in the world. Corn also requires a lot of nutrients, such as fertilizer, particularly nitrogen. Someone asked how long it takes, well, the farmers buy field corn seed that is usually 60 to 90 day corn, so again it grows quickly, given the proper circumstances.

The fertilizers have a petroleum component, making it more expensive to use, and high nitrogen content, the run off or excess from these find their way to the ground water or streams and cause O2 depletion, which in turn changes the ecosystem, killing or stunting the fish and increasing multiflora, algae, growth to unhealthy levels. Farmers get blamed and fined constantly when this happens, but it is necessary to produce enough product for what is needed. For decades the corn price was about $2.00 / bushel, when ethanol production came on board with all of its government subsidies, the price skyrocketed to $4.00. There was more water needed, more fertilizer needed and much more fuel burnt to till, plant, cultivate and harvest offsetting the gain in price to agribusiness.

The fact is, the engine, vehicle, and petroleum companies are producing a product for us, employing people that in turn provide housing, food, entertainment, etc. for families. Meanwhile, the politicians that you so adore that put roadblocks in the way of progress for all of us are the REAL profiteers. They are making more profit than anyone and they don't provide anything other than more regulation. That weasel down in Tennessee, I won't say his name, but he is still whining about his presidential campaign loss, has profited many millions from this hoax and he does not even live by the standards that he wants to impose on us. They are the bad guys.

Look, the engine and vehicle manufacturerers can invent, develop and change whatever we want, but it all comes at a cost, how much are you willing to spend? All cars after a certain year will be required to have a screen on the dash that helps us see behind the car while backing up, how much will I have to pay for this unwanted feature?

The elitists think they can legislate it for our needs, or tax the evil corporations, but you and I will pay for that tax, penalty or fine, whatever they want to calll it, with high costs.

And yes, I am on my soapbox, get over it!

Joe

It currently takes about 3 gallons of water to produce a gallon of ethanol. That number is rapidly decreasing with environmental efforts and developments in technology. To put ethanol’s water use into perspective, it takes about 25 gallons of water to produce 1 gallon of oil and 150 gallons of water to produce one Sunday newspaper.
 
Bio fuel facts

THE BIOFUEL ETHANOL IS A WIN FOR THE ENVIRONMENT.
A number of recent studies from 2016 highlight the fact that ethanol increasingly bene ts our environment, whereas oil is only becoming more harmful for our environment.
ETHANOL REDUCES GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS.
The United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) released a peer-reviewed report examining the lifecycle greenhouse gas emissions from corn-based ethanol. The report found that corn ethanol reduces greenhouse gas emissions by 43 percent compared to conventional gasoline today, would further reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 50 percent by 2022, and has the potential to reduce emissions by as much as 76 percent.
According to the Department of Energy’s Argonne national Laboratory in a peer-reviewed study, when emissions related to fertilizer and chemical production, diesel use on the farm, transportation of the corn, energy used by the ethanol plant, transportation of ethanol to the market, and land use change emission, are tallied corn ethanol on average reduces GHG emissions by 34 percent compared to gasoline.
ETHANOL IMPROVES AIR QUALITY & LOWERS EMISSIONS.
As an oxygenate, ethanol helps fuel burn more completely and ef ciently, helping to lower carbon monoxide, particulate emissions (PM), as well as air toxics like benzene.
A review of real-world data over the last several decades shows signi cant decreases in emissions while ethanol blending has increased dramatically. Just in the last 15 years, ozone has decreased 17 percent while ethanol blending is above 10 percent, according to EPA data. Additional data from the University of Illinois-Chicago show substantial reductions in PM and benzene with the addition of ethanol.
EPA AND USDA CONCLUDE ETHANOL HAS NOT CONTRIBUTED TO FARMLAND EXPANSION.
According to EPA’s Greenhouse Gas Inventory, there is no indication that native grassland has been converted to cropland since 2005, the year the RFS was enacted. Furthermore, ethanol production results in a coproduct (DDGs) that is used to feed livestock and reduce the amount of land used for feed.
In January 2017, the United States Department of Agriculture issued a study based on direct evidence from the past ten years, not projections, and found that between 2004 and 2012, at the same time U.S. corn ethanol production increased more than 200 percent, deforestation in Brazil’s Amazon decreased from 10,200 to 2,400 square miles per year.
Any recent reduction in U.S. acreage of Conservation Reserve Program land is the direct result of legislation — not ethanol production. The 2008 Farm Bill removed funding for roughly 7 million acres of CRP land. Based on this law, the number of enrolled acres has decreased to t within the program’s
new, smaller budget. The 2014 Farm Bill additionally reduced the acreage of CRP land by another 8 million.
WILDLIFE HABITAT AND NATIVE GRASSLAND ARE NEGATIVELY IMPACTED BY FOSSIL FUELS.
The University of Montana found that the extraction and production of fossil fuels was responsible for destroying 7.4 million acres of vegetation from 2000 to 2013, and has severely jeopardized wildlife habitats. Surface mining is also responsible for the destruction of ecosystems and water pollution, harming sh and other wildlife.
 
I am fortunate enough to have a gas station close to me that sells fuel that does not contain ethanol. Whenever possible, I choose to do that. Now, when out on a ride, I rarely have find non-ethanol gas, and have to use what is available.

YMMV.
 
:D I've got an idea...
Let's fight about Police Checkpoints and radar detectors for a while; this one is getting stale.:clap:
 
A meaningless argument like you continue to present you continue to say that motors can be made to run on ethanol yes that is true what every one is stating and you avoid is that it isn't the best idea using farm land

And what some of you don't seem to understand is:

Those are two entirely separate things.
While they might both be parts of the larger issue, I try not to get into the "discussion" over whether or not it is a good idea.......because THAT discussion always ends up in a flame war similar to a political argument.......just like it has done here.

Ethanol is not evil.
Ethanol will not harm engines made to use it.
That's all. Over and out.
 
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