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Dry Club or Not?

We do not drink and ride and don't like to be around those that do. The local Harley shop has free beer Saturdays, lots of drinking and I still can't believe that they feel it is ok to have everyone ride in, liquor them all up and then send them back out on the road. Bike nights there are basically the same except the beer isn't free.

I think that Harley dealer is a law suit waiting to happen.

Lets put this into some further perspective... After all, this is California, where the possibility of litigation waits around each and every corner.
We as a club, don't have deep pockets. Heading something like a lawsuit off at the pass is, IMHO a prudent stand.
It only takes 1 "dumas" with a low alcohol threshold and the inability to take personal responsibility, to ruin the lives of every member of the club. I certainly don't believe its in any way based in a morality judgment or pushing a pro-temperance movement. It's a simple case of CYA/better safe than sorry. If that rule doesn't suit you...It's easy enough to find a club with rules that do.


:agree: I think a membership club would have less exposure to a suit, but you never know where grief and a lawyer will take some people. It's in the bylaws and if someone violates them and comes to a bad outcome, you'll have some defense. It wouldn't hurt, though, to remind anyone who drinks in violation that they are taking a big risk.

I haven't drank in over 30 years, but I also think some of the anti-drinking laws have gone a bit far. I have a friend who got into a fight with her husband and went to the car (parked on their property) and drank a bottle of wine. She was awakened by a cop knocking on the window and was charged with DUI!

Don't mind me. I just dropped in to see what condition my condition is in.
 
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ALCOHOL

Anyone that thinks that with only one alcoholic drink that their reflex time doesn't decrease is only fooling themselves.

Pirate looks at--,

If your rules are going to state no alcohol, then those joining should abide, or don't ride. I think once you allow alcohol, and then try to limit the amount, you'll run into trouble.

I drink every now and then, but not while I'm riding the spyder. The only drink I like these days is hot sake, and my gf drives the car, if I partake.

:agree:......But, I have some alcoholic drink/s every day. I just don't have any while I'm out riding either on my Spyder or in any of my other vehicles....Do I think a beer, glass of wine , one cocktail with lunch or dinner is OK for an adult, Yes.........But I also see there are Serious problems with people THAT CAN'T HAVE JUST ONE !!!!.............So a NO DRINKING Club Rule is also acceptable......A person can chose to join or not.......Mike :thumbup:
 
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agreed

:agree:. It is likely that many of these folk also ride wearing little to no protective gear but think that is a perfectly safe and OK personal decision that doesn't potentially impact other drivers. I have even seen posts recently about why t-shirts, Bermuda shorts and tennis shoes are perfectly fine for summer riding, lol?????...... I have been hit by flying road debris at speed and it hurts even while wearing protective gear but I maintained complete control. Seems like we have a lot of "holier than thoughs" when it comes to safety. No gear-fine, prescription drugs-sure, a glass of beer over lunch-you're a menace to society. :roflblack: Look we all make are own decisions and we must live with the consequences to include being held accountable in court in the afterlife. live and let live or as they say in NH, live free or die!

All true, the difference here is we are talking about an Organization "Sanctioned Group Ryde." When YOU make YOUR decision it may effect the lives of a lot of others. Please remember the original topic raised was to discuss drinking alcohol in a group ryde, sanctioned by a Motorcycle Club. So I have no problem with anyone going out drinking ther brains out and getting on their Motorcycle, and then driving off a cliff! more power to you. My concern is in Club situation and you go out and get smashed and drive off that same cliff, and take two other bikes with you. Pleas drink and drive to your hearts desire, jus don't do it in Northern California!:roflblack:
 
I'm think going to start a riding club and charge people to join and pocket the money from the dues. ....... Then, I'm going to make a laundry list of "LAWS" that you will have to abide by . .... :roflblack:

It amazes me that people are falling for this money grab by joining these clubs....................... Newsflash folks, getting together for a ride doesn't cost anything.

Lamont even gives you a free group section right here on Spyderlovers just for it !!!!!!!! :thumbup:

You make a huge assumption that all groups charge dues . . . ours, the Maryland Spyder Web, doesn't. Membership is free.

We are one of the most active Spyder groups in the mid-Atlantic region, with ryders from Pennsylvania, Virginia, West Virginia, Maryland, and DC. We have 199 members, as of today.

We do organized rydes almost every other weekend, and do multi-day trips four or five times each season. A typical day ryde can consist of 30 or more Spyders, along with an assortment of two-wheelers who are guests of members. Overnight trips vary in size . . . we had a dozen Spyders on our last three night, four day ryde . . . thirty-seven Spyders did our May "Spyder Clutter" and the Pennsylvania Spyder Ryders joined in, increasing the numbers to well over fifty.

Our rules prohibit alcohol consumption until we have parked for the day . . . not all our members drink, but many do, and on our multi-day rydes, it isn't unusual to find a crowd of us enjoying a few drinks together. When looking for lodging on our trips, motels with restaurants within walking distance are what is looked for, so those who wish to may have a couple at the end of the day . . .

The drinking prohibition is all about safety . . . we don't force anyone to join our group and we have plenty of fun . . . it is a family.

http://www.meetup.com/MarylandSpyderWeb/
 
I'm think going to start a riding club and charge people to join and pocket the money from the dues. ....... Then, I'm going to make a laundry list of "LAWS" that you will have to abide by . .... :roflblack:

It amazes me that people are falling for this money grab by joining these clubs....................... Newsflash folks, getting together for a ride doesn't cost anything.

Lamont even gives you a free group section right here on Spyderlovers just for it !!!!!!!! :thumbup:

To play devil's advocate...our club fed 25 families last Christmas, raised over a thousand dollars for the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation's Ride for kids, and many other charitable projects each and every year. That is what our non-profit organization does. Oh, and for the $20 fee to join, you get a gremlin bell as our way of saying thank you (cost of bell $10 wholesale). Our Hospitality Coordinators will send you a hand written Birthday card as well as a condolence card should you unfortunately need one). The price of the camaraderie, family atmosphere and feeling of good will for belonging to such a charitable organization are all free... So to synopsize, for the price of lunch for the day, I can choose to be part of an active, family oriented Spyder organization that believes in giving back to their community in addition to leading great Spyder rydes each weekend. Doesn't sound too bad to me...

I think it is highly unfair of your characterization to:

1. lump all "clubs" into the same categorization
2. chastize anybody for their choice to belong to any club

These are just my thoughts and opinions to the comments you have voiced...

WWW.SRASacramento.com
 
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I'm think going to start a riding club and charge people to join and pocket the money from the dues. ....... Then, I'm going to make a laundry list of "LAWS" that you will have to abide by . .... :roflblack:

It amazes me that people are falling for this money grab by joining these clubs....................... Newsflash folks, getting together for a ride doesn't cost anything.

Lamont even gives you a free group section right here on Spyderlovers just for it !!!!!!!! :thumbup:

Not all clubs are money grabbers. Our club has been dues free since it started on 1999. I have been a member since 2001. Funds raised have been accomplished by having a yearly Poker Run, and weekly split the pot drawings. Buy 5 tickets for $5 or 10 tickets for $7. Club keeps half the money, winner gets other half. I won $100 bucks one night.

Money raised has been sufficient to have a yearly awards banquet, a summer BBQ, an annual Christmas party, a St. Patricks day event, and even to buy various awards.
 
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Hi Patti,

Re: I think that Harley dealer is a law suit waiting to happen.

I agree. He owns the place, he is providing the libations; can't really put up much of a defense.

Re: I think a membership club would have less exposure to a suit,

It has been a good many years since I have checked into this stuff. But, a 'membership club' has full exposure of every member for whatever any other member does at any type of 'sanctioned' event. You might want to talk to an attorney about the laws in Kansas.

Jerry Baumchen
 
The clubs I currently ride with are alcohol free until the bikes are parked for the night and the club patches, vest, shirts etc... are put away.
I'm good with that. Rode with a club for a while that had a rule "only HD motorcycles allowed" then they road from bar to bar. I left the club,
just didn't make any sense to me. There are plenty of clubs with different rules, I just had to find the clubs that suited me and my beliefs.
Always smart to have common sense rules because some people don't have common sense and you have to protect the club from liability.
Just like having a safety inspection of the bikes and riding gear before the group rides, some people just need to be told the tires need replacing
and they need to wear over the ankle boots, Dot helmets, and gloves. Common sense just isn't that common anymore.
Don't like it :banghead:, find a new club like I did...my 2 cents
 
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Some people cant (just be happy)& can ruin it for the rest of us. Fyi not in AA but last taste was new years 2011 b4 I was injured by a DUI crook. Long story but they in jail & im enjoying all I can. :doorag::bbq:No alcohol needed just:spyder2:

If the DUI & medicated people could only injure themselves World be a lot better off. But fact is they CAUSE accident & usually get minor injury if @ all, now so many are txting & driving as well, Driving is not suppose to be Russian roulette!


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Alright already this has gone too far: Never trust a man who doesn't drink.

How about those with sleep apnea?

How about diabetics who do not take there meds?

How about those on meds who are not suppose to drive?

How about those who ride to far and too long? (Total Fatigue)

How about cell phones?

How about women putting on makeup while driving?

How about women with a car full of ornery kids when she turns around to discipline?

This could go on and on and on.

Oh and I forgot about all you late 60 and 70's pot smokers and drugie's.

Have I left anyone out here who we are morally looking down our nose at?

My point is we have all driven when we should not have. The survivors will be those with good judgement which is of course learned by bad judgement. Before looking down our nose at others, look up your own nose to see if you yourself are perfect.

I started a perfect club once but it turned out I was the only member. Or so I thought!

Jack

No I will not run for President.
:joke:
 
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Funny enough I was going to mention that in my earlier post but decided not to. Since 2009 in NZ it's been illegal to drive impaired by drugs - even legally prescribed drugs.


Yes I believe it to be illegal in most if not all states. I also believe it to be considered much more accepted by society and much less often assessed for by police and more difficult to detect. I do feel that it is a real problem.
 
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT

Funny enough I was going to mention that in my earlier post but decided not to. Since 2009 in NZ it's been illegal to drive impaired by drugs - even legally prescribed drugs.

:yikes:...................You do realize, that if your Doctor prescribes an Aspirin for you to take Daily you can ....NEVER DRIVE AGAIN...in your Country !!!!!!!......I think you have mis-read the Law or are misquoting it......... (this also applies to jwood 4242 post )............Mike :thumbup:
 
:yikes:...................You do realize, that if your Doctor prescribes an Aspirin for you to take Daily you can ....NEVER DRIVE AGAIN...in your Country !!!!!!!......I think you have mis-read the Law or are misquoting it......... (this also applies to jwood 4242 post )............Mike :thumbup:

Nope I know this one as I had the sit an exam 3 years ago where this was one of the questions:-) Here's the relevant sections from my revision notes (references to prescription drugs in bold):

The Land Transport Amendment Act 2009 (LTAA) allows Police to better detect drug drivers and charge them with the offence of ‘driving while impaired and with blood that contains evidence of use of a controlled drug or prescription medicine’.

It is an offence to drive while impaired and with evidence in the bloodstream of a qualifying drug. The presence of a qualifying drug alone is not sufficient for an offence; there must first be impairment as demonstrated by unsatisfactory performance of the compulsory impairment test (CIT).
This law complements drivers' duty to be mentally and physically fit when they drive a motor vehicle on public roads - this includes not being impaired by alcohol or drugs.

There is also an offence of driving or attempting to drive while under the influence of drink or drugs to the extent of being incapable of proper control of a motor vehicle. Police have the option of charging the person with this offence, if there is sufficient supporting evidence. Police can test for the presence of qualifying drugs if a driver fails a compulsory impairment test.

Qualifying drugs include:

  • Controlled drugs that are set out in the specified schedules in the Misuse of Drugs Act 1975 - Schedule 1, Schedule 2, and Parts 1, 4, and 7 of Schedule 3 of the Misuse of Drugs Act 1975.
  • The family of drugs known as benzodiazepines (anti-anxiety, tranquilliser medication).
  • Any controlled drug analogue (within the meaning of controlled drug analogue in section 2(1) of the Misuse of Drugs Act 1975).
  • Any prescription medicine; but excluded is any substance, preparation, mixture, or article if it is excluded by regulations made under the Land Transport Act. A full list of prescription medicines that are included can be found in the Medicines Regulations 1984
Of course I'm assuming something like Aspirin would not be covered:-) But from memory it was actually surprising what was.
 
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No

:yikes:...................You do realize, that if your Doctor prescribes an Aspirin for you to take Daily you can ....NEVER DRIVE AGAIN...in your Country !!!!!!!......I think you have mis-read the Law or are misquoting it......... (this also applies to jwood 4242 post )............Mike :thumbup:


Here is one example of what I am talking about and expect to receive more attention in the future. We all know that many prescribed drugs cause significant side affects such as impaired judgment and drowsiness just like alcohol does, even if they are taken as directed. I am not misquoting anything and with all respect not talking about aspirin or non prescription Tylenol or most drugs. Many medications for anxiety, depression, and pain along with others cause significant side affects and have warning labels on them.

How Legal Drug Use Can Lead to a DUI or DWI

Alcohol or illegal drugs aren't the only substances that impair judgment:










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Most DUIs (driving under the influence) and DWIs (driving while intoxicated) stem from the use of alcohol or illegal drugs. However the use of legal drugs -- prescriptions or over the counter medicine -- can can also lead to impaired driving and possibly arrest.
Consider this scenario: A professional mother of two is getting ready for work one morning. The night before, she took her usual antidepressant medication as well as a pill for hay fever allergies. Both pills cause drowsiness. That morning, she has a severe headache, so she pops a couple of prescription pills, which also cause drowsiness -- and contain a warning that one should not operate a vehicle or other machinery after taking them. She kisses her children goodbye, gets on the road, fails to notice another car at a four-way stop, and plows right into it.
A police officer arrives, and the woman apologizes profusely, saying, "I've never had any driving troubles -- it must be all this medication I'm on."
Unfortunately for her, the woman has essentially now admitted to a DUI or DWI, depending on her state.
The typical elements of a DUI or DWI offense are:

  • The person drove a vehicle -- that is, steered and controlled it while it was moving.
  • At the same time, the person was under the influence or intoxicated; that is, his or her ability to drive safely was affected to an appreciable degree by either an alcoholic beverage, a drug, or a combination of the two.
Although the language above represents a melding of the laws of the 50 U.S. states, no state punishes only those people whose driving impairment resulted specifically from alcohol or illegal drugs alone. Someone impaired by legal drugs can ordinarily be found guilty and punished for driving while under the influence in the same way as any drunk driver.
Massachusetts law, for example, actually spells out some of the possible impairment-causing drugs, mentioning "narcotic drugs, depressants or stimulant substances." (M.G.L.A. 90 § 24.) And California law specifically notes that "The fact that any person charged with [a DUI] . . . is, or has been entitled to use, the drug under the laws of this state shall not constitute a defense . . . ." (VC 23630.) California further singles out drug use by making it a crime for anyone addicted to a drug -- other than methadone for treating heroin addiction -- to drive a vehicle. (VC 23152(c).) And as we all know, both legal and illegal drugs can lead to addiction and impairment.
Unfortunately, the standards for how much of a drug can be in someones system without causing impairment are not yet set. In other words, theres no comparable standard to the 0.08% maximum set for blood alcohol (BAC) levels.
This issue will probably receive increased attention in coming years, however, because the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has become concerned about the impacts of drug use on driving. In a July 2009 report, the NHTSA found that while drunk driving has decreased markedly in recent years, approximately 16% of nighttime drivers have some sort of potentially impairing drug in their system. The NHTSAs list of potentially impairing drugs tracked in this study included not only illegal drugs, but prescription and over-the-counter products such as stimulants, sedatives, antidepressants, and narcotic analgesics.
The NHTSA report says, "Determining which drugs and dosage levels impair driving related skills is a large undertaking given the number of potentially impairing drugs. NHTSA has convened an expert panel to begin identifying methods for assessing impairment . . . ."
In the meantime, you can expect a combination of the facts concerning the driver's behavior -- such as weaving, performing reckless maneuvers, failing to observe street signs, or exhibiting slow reactions to road hazards or events -- combined with evidence that the person had a legal drug in their system that has known, potentially impairing side effects will continue to lead to DUI or DWI convictions.
 
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:shocked: I'm with Jack... :shocked:

If we're already so perfect, that we feel good about looking down our noses at the rabble in front of us; what happens when somebody even MORE perfect shows up? :dontknow:

And Mike...
If your Doctor prescribes Aspirin for you; can you explain how the Police Officers can explain that it has "Impaired your ability" to drive (ride)? :dontknow:
 
Hi Patti,

Re: I think that Harley dealer is a law suit waiting to happen.

I agree. He owns the place, he is providing the libations; can't really put up much of a defense.

Re: I think a membership club would have less exposure to a suit,

It has been a good many years since I have checked into this stuff. But, a 'membership club' has full exposure of every member for whatever any other member does at any type of 'sanctioned' event. You might want to talk to an attorney about the laws in Kansas.

Jerry Baumchen

Thanks for your expertise, Jerry. It confirms that a club should try not to assume any risk from a member's behavior.
 
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