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DPS Problems, We Can No Longer Ignore "The Elephant In The Living Room"
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I thought Terrence and Phillip were in charge of Quality Control :joke:
Tom in NM
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and its name is Dumbo?
Geez folks, what is going on? If you are putting as much thought into your posts as into riding your Spyder (driving your car, your job, ect.) for your sake do not get out of bed in the morning.
If you are like Lamont, Scotty, Firefly, Brpjunkie and several others ( and you know who you are ), as you were. (and thanks)
I saw Evan's post this morning and then stayed away from it. I am not ever impressed with the results from sage and righteous calls to in-specific actions. I would not be posting here and now if there was not so much spill over into other threads. A bunch of you have outdone yourselves.
So, while I usually write long posts, not this time. Here is is;
Friends don't let friends post stupid. Go back and re-read this thread from the start again. Tomorrow will do just fine. There is good specific advice and council in it. Maybe with a new day you can also smell the baloney.
It is sad to see so many get swept up and away and the cockroaches constantly egging them on and then gleefully dancing around the crumbs left behind. Serious issues deserve attention, not drama, whining, hissy fits and righteous indignation. If this were a fight, I would want those I mentioned above at my side and watching my back - - - and I feel they are, yours too.
Longer than I wanted, but shorter than usual - all the best points had been made.
Tom
Geez folks, what is going on? If you are putting as much thought into your posts as into riding your Spyder (driving your car, your job, ect.) for your sake do not get out of bed in the morning.
If you are like Lamont, Scotty, Firefly, Brpjunkie and several others ( and you know who you are ), as you were. (and thanks)
I saw Evan's post this morning and then stayed away from it. I am not ever impressed with the results from sage and righteous calls to in-specific actions. I would not be posting here and now if there was not so much spill over into other threads. A bunch of you have outdone yourselves.
So, while I usually write long posts, not this time. Here is is;
Friends don't let friends post stupid. Go back and re-read this thread from the start again. Tomorrow will do just fine. There is good specific advice and council in it. Maybe with a new day you can also smell the baloney.
It is sad to see so many get swept up and away and the cockroaches constantly egging them on and then gleefully dancing around the crumbs left behind. Serious issues deserve attention, not drama, whining, hissy fits and righteous indignation. If this were a fight, I would want those I mentioned above at my side and watching my back - - - and I feel they are, yours too.
Longer than I wanted, but shorter than usual - all the best points had been made.
Tom
Me too, minus vin. Mines at dealer still and I don't have that number memorized. But at least the report is in.
Still Spyder Lovers Site
This is still the SPYDERLOVERS SITE!Everyone loves their spyder and is frought with the feeling that the machine they love so much has so many issues that arent being addressed properly and timely.Magicman is correct and anything less than the fix for such a safety issue as steering is unacceptable-PERIOD!Some have issues,some do not but that doesnt mean that there is unnecessary whining by some ownwers about the problem,it is sheer concern that the vehicle is safe to operate.I LOVE MY SPYDER AND WILLWORK THRU THE ISSUES WITH IT!I think I can handle the things that arise from time to time and meet the challenges to keep the spyder on the road.IMPROVISE-ADAPT-OVERCOME(uurahh!!)32yrs. in the Corps teaches you about some of the aggravations in life,IF SOMETHING IS WORTH THE TROUBLE,MEET THE TROUBLE HEAD ON AND WORK THRU IT!Americans are too optimistic and want results immediately.In the age of modern electronics,there are more problems than ever and i would gladly trade them for the "old school' days anytime.So that being said lets take the logical steps to get this fixed and RIGHT!Lets remain SPYDERLOVERS/RIDERS,continue to support our fellow spyder riders thru this site and beaware that sometime in the future that other problems may arise and they will have to be addressed also and hopefully the spyderlovers site willbe right on top of it too!SEMPER SPYDER!!:2thumbs:
This is still the SPYDERLOVERS SITE!Everyone loves their spyder and is frought with the feeling that the machine they love so much has so many issues that arent being addressed properly and timely.Magicman is correct and anything less than the fix for such a safety issue as steering is unacceptable-PERIOD!Some have issues,some do not but that doesnt mean that there is unnecessary whining by some ownwers about the problem,it is sheer concern that the vehicle is safe to operate.I LOVE MY SPYDER AND WILLWORK THRU THE ISSUES WITH IT!I think I can handle the things that arise from time to time and meet the challenges to keep the spyder on the road.IMPROVISE-ADAPT-OVERCOME(uurahh!!)32yrs. in the Corps teaches you about some of the aggravations in life,IF SOMETHING IS WORTH THE TROUBLE,MEET THE TROUBLE HEAD ON AND WORK THRU IT!Americans are too optimistic and want results immediately.In the age of modern electronics,there are more problems than ever and i would gladly trade them for the "old school' days anytime.So that being said lets take the logical steps to get this fixed and RIGHT!Lets remain SPYDERLOVERS/RIDERS,continue to support our fellow spyder riders thru this site and beaware that sometime in the future that other problems may arise and they will have to be addressed also and hopefully the spyderlovers site willbe right on top of it too!SEMPER SPYDER!!:2thumbs:
HdXbones doesnt understand
OK obviously everyone has their interpretation of what is put in this thread and some will take it personally.I AM FOR THE FIX-PERIOD!It is a serious issue,no question about it.There is some WHINING because it seems that some of the owners think that by magic just posting on this site will fix the problem and it will go away.Theres the dealer,mechanic.;etc that the problem can be discussed wtih.When I first had the steering issue i called the dealer and brought the spyder in,they corrected it and on the road.I also did an experiment on my own and rode the spyder w/o the power steering.Somewhat difficult but not totally unmanangeable and also who knows what the riders did when the problem occurred and if or what they did contributed to the scare they received and thought that the spyder was totally at fault.I wiil not get sucked into an arguement w/someone who picks the fight that they think is easy to win.The gist of the arguement is there is an issue,the issue concerns the safety of the operation of the vehicle and EVERYONE WANTS THE PROBLEM FIXED AND WANTS TO CONTINUE TO ENJOY THEIR SPYDER!Bones? Do I think thee a bad person?NAW!Just a passionate person of opinion-like myself!:2thumbs:
OK obviously everyone has their interpretation of what is put in this thread and some will take it personally.I AM FOR THE FIX-PERIOD!It is a serious issue,no question about it.There is some WHINING because it seems that some of the owners think that by magic just posting on this site will fix the problem and it will go away.Theres the dealer,mechanic.;etc that the problem can be discussed wtih.When I first had the steering issue i called the dealer and brought the spyder in,they corrected it and on the road.I also did an experiment on my own and rode the spyder w/o the power steering.Somewhat difficult but not totally unmanangeable and also who knows what the riders did when the problem occurred and if or what they did contributed to the scare they received and thought that the spyder was totally at fault.I wiil not get sucked into an arguement w/someone who picks the fight that they think is easy to win.The gist of the arguement is there is an issue,the issue concerns the safety of the operation of the vehicle and EVERYONE WANTS THE PROBLEM FIXED AND WANTS TO CONTINUE TO ENJOY THEIR SPYDER!Bones? Do I think thee a bad person?NAW!Just a passionate person of opinion-like myself!:2thumbs:
Mo Lee
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Ok my turn, I have said from the time of purchase I felt the Spyder would have been better off without the DPS however the steering would need a better mechanical advantage which would make it a little easier to steer and make the steering a little less sensitive. I do feel the steering is too sensitive for high speed since the amount I turn the handlebars for a corner is about the same as I turn the handlebars in the opposite direction to countersteer on two wheels in the same corner.
I will probably step on some toes however I do feel there is a certain amount of hypochondric (spelling) effect going on on this board. It seems like every time one person has a problem then 20 more jump in with the same problem. I've seen this from the shifting problems to steering problems to fires to steering problems again.
Mine is an 08 SM with over 4 thousand miles on it, as of yet I have not found time to have either update done, but on the same note I have not had any steering problems. Will I be lighting up the third digit on the speedometer again? NO, not until I'm satisfied the steering problems is fixed, as matter of fact I will probably limit most of my interstate travel to to the Valkyries for a while.
I do hope BRP will fix the problems because I do love riding the Spyder and think the Yfactor is the way of the future and I would hate to see a simple steering problem kill a great concept.
I will probably step on some toes however I do feel there is a certain amount of hypochondric (spelling) effect going on on this board. It seems like every time one person has a problem then 20 more jump in with the same problem. I've seen this from the shifting problems to steering problems to fires to steering problems again.
Mine is an 08 SM with over 4 thousand miles on it, as of yet I have not found time to have either update done, but on the same note I have not had any steering problems. Will I be lighting up the third digit on the speedometer again? NO, not until I'm satisfied the steering problems is fixed, as matter of fact I will probably limit most of my interstate travel to to the Valkyries for a while.
I do hope BRP will fix the problems because I do love riding the Spyder and think the Yfactor is the way of the future and I would hate to see a simple steering problem kill a great concept.
all about steering
MoLee has it right,dont ride it if you think the issue merits you to think safety first.Each time i had some issue w/the spyder,it went to the dealer.Ledgewood powersports addressed each problem and explained how it was fixed.Great service!I wasnt going to let the issues take the enjoyment away fm the experience of touring on the spyder.I have 22,000mi.on the bike and and all the blips and burps are part of the experience.If i thought that it was unsafe to ride,i trailered it to the dealer.2 current up dates done and planning to go on another long trip.Ive had other issues and beared w/them and continued to enjoy the spyder.I drive professionally at my job as a paramedic and often drive at high speeds and in traffic,it comes w/agreat amt. of risk and so as with the spyder,everyday riding a motorcycle poses some risk with it but w/the spyder or mc riding in general the vehicle shouldnt put the user at risk,usually the skill of the rider is the greatest risk.Steering issue is important in both the first and second generation spyders.Many great racers and competitors ,very skilled were killed when let down by some component on their vehicle.Lets not have it happen to ANY SPYDER RIDERS!
MoLee has it right,dont ride it if you think the issue merits you to think safety first.Each time i had some issue w/the spyder,it went to the dealer.Ledgewood powersports addressed each problem and explained how it was fixed.Great service!I wasnt going to let the issues take the enjoyment away fm the experience of touring on the spyder.I have 22,000mi.on the bike and and all the blips and burps are part of the experience.If i thought that it was unsafe to ride,i trailered it to the dealer.2 current up dates done and planning to go on another long trip.Ive had other issues and beared w/them and continued to enjoy the spyder.I drive professionally at my job as a paramedic and often drive at high speeds and in traffic,it comes w/agreat amt. of risk and so as with the spyder,everyday riding a motorcycle poses some risk with it but w/the spyder or mc riding in general the vehicle shouldnt put the user at risk,usually the skill of the rider is the greatest risk.Steering issue is important in both the first and second generation spyders.Many great racers and competitors ,very skilled were killed when let down by some component on their vehicle.Lets not have it happen to ANY SPYDER RIDERS!
NancysToy
Motorbike Professor
Your VIN should be on both your registration and your insurance. Do you have an extra copy at home?
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Way2Fast
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BRP had test results obtained from their employed test riders. They knew about certain issues yet they chose to ignore some of the results. Why do they even bother to road test their vehicles when the engineers don't like to be second guessed and told their design is faulty by some "lowly test pilot"?
If you have information that BRP knew of steering issues and ignored them, that should be shared with the NHTSA. This forum can't do anything with that information, but NHTSA can.
Hey guys the issue here is the SPYDER not each other. Lets take a couple of deep breaths and relax a bit. Mine is in the shop right now to get several items fixed and or corrected. Including that damn rear brake Squeal that drives me nuts. I've had every upgrade except the 2nd. to the first DPS system. Wich it is getting now. So with that lets all hope this gets cleared up soon. It can't be done overnight wish it could. I'm always the one wishes it was done yesterday. I like my spyder and everyone here has been helpfull to me in one way or another. So my SPYDER FAMILY lets hang in there together.
Putt-Putt Dale.
Putt-Putt Dale.
Firefly
Active member
Can you please tell us how you know this?
You're saying you know for a fact that BRP got test results from their employed test riders - and just ignored the results.
Unless you work for BRP - I fail to see how you would know this. Can you provide specific examples of what was ignored?
retread
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A question in another thread, "are any of the 09s having problems after the update(s)?" If it's just the 08s, based on the GPS and other sensor problems they've had, could it be the updates are bringing more sensor problems out? 'Course, there's always the chance that the dealer's techs are not checking the sensor's alignments after the updates. Just thinkin'.
john
john
Smylinacha
Yellinacha
You can find the vin# on your insurance card. I have a copy on the Spyder and a duplicate in the house. Or just call your agency and ask them for it and I think you can go back in and edit your complaint.
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Way2Fast
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you will be getting a pm
Firefly
Active member
Why not post for all too see ??
Firefly
Active member
It was of a personal nature - nothing really earth-shattering or that would make a difference to anyone out here.
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I'm very interested in finding out if ANY 2009 Spyders have had steering issues. I believe the recall included both years---- but I'm not sure I've heard of anyone with a 2009 having problems---:dontknow:
mvengineer
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No steering issues at all. Minor shifting issues that were corrected by an update a couple months ago.Performs perfectly at present.
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