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Do I really need a new swaybar?

Yeah you make sense :)

Does the F3 come from the factory with a stiffer sway bar?

Pam

No, But its quite a bit lower to the ground than the RT. I Love to burn around the Backwoods roads on the RT (With Ronbar) Because there are NO shoulders on the roads, only trees and boulders and woods BUT the RT is Up high like your in a 4x4 truck so you can see around the corners Much better.

I don,t do these roads with the F3 because of my lack of height to " Really" SEE around a corner and I DO NOT want to be surprised at whats there.

The F3 is fine for Country style backroads with shoulders BUT not "Backwoods" -At Least for me-?
 
Yeah you make sense :)

Does the F3 come from the factory with a stiffer sway bar?

Pam

No, the F3 has handling advantages that the RT does not. Or, you could say the RT has handling disadvantages that the F3 does not. But it isn't a 'Stiffer' sway bar.

An extreme comparison would be between an Excursion and a go-cart (and a go-cart has no suspension at all!).

Lower center of gravity, less overall weight, better shocks all add up to better handling. These 2 versions serve 2 different functions. Most people don't buy a Shelby Cobra GT to go long distance in comfort with a lot of luggage. Nor do they purchase an Excursion for quick acceleration and carving through the twisties. Again, a bit extreme as the F3 and RT aren't as far apart as these 2 vehicles. But it gives you an idea of the 'Why'.
 
No, the F3 has handling advantages that the RT does not. Or, you could say the RT has handling disadvantages that the F3 does not. But it isn't a 'Stiffer' sway bar.

An extreme comparison would be between an Excursion and a go-cart (and a go-cart has no suspension at all!).

Lower center of gravity, less overall weight, better shocks all add up to better handling. These 2 versions serve 2 different functions. Most people don't buy a Shelby Cobra GT to go long distance in comfort with a lot of luggage. Nor do they purchase an Excursion for quick acceleration and carving through the twisties. Again, a bit extreme as the F3 and RT aren't as far apart as these 2 vehicles. But it gives you an idea of the 'Why'.

Just the person I wanted to ask. So, will a BajaRon sway bar help my F3-S to perform significantly better in terms of body lean around the tighter twisties? I have heard that putting RT sway bars in is a big help. Could you please articulate which one works the best and why? One last question would be, why purchase the upgraded links? Thanks in advance for your answer. I am REALLY, REALLY interested in hearing from an expert on these questions. Capt. Bob
 
I rode my RSS for years and always thought about getting the bar, but I got so used to hanging off of the seat in tight turns that I never got around to it. When I got the F3, you sit more 'in' the bike then 'on' it. I put over 1000 miles on a Can Am Rep's demo F3 last summer while my motor issue was sorted out. When I got my bike my back, I put a few hundred miles on it before I got the bar installed.

I really felt the difference. As I said in my post linked below. Best $200 bucks I have spent on the bike:

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?91398-Baja-Ron-F3-anti-sway-bar
 
Need? No, probably not. Then again you likely did not NEED the F3 either. You wanted it, perhaps after you test rode one.

Get used to the way your new F3 handles. Then drive one that has a BajaRon bar installed and you WILL want one too.

I have not had a single customer get a sway bar installed that was not grinning ear to ear the first test ride. Its an amazing improvement. But no, you do not NEED it. The stock bar does its job as designed and will likely never wear out.
 
I ride my F3s pretty aggressive in the corners and am always looking for twisties, I still have the stock swaybar and have no intentions of changing it. the front alignment that Squared Away did on it made a great imptovement on how it handles but I love it the way it is.

Bob
 
I had the Ronbar on my 2008 GS and my 2011 RS-S. I live 12 miles from my dealer and realized I wanted on my new F3-S. That said, will a heavy sway bar from an RS fit a 2010 RT? I have a friend that is interested.
 
Don't know. ..!!

At 200 miles you don't....at 1000 you may still not need one. No one really needs one these machines are set up well from the git-go. Do you think you need one..?? You will know if the time comes....:thumbup:
 
The F3 does handle well right out of the box. No doubt the best handling Spyder of all. When I do prototypes for a product I depend heavily on 'Test Pilots'. I can't afford to buy a new Spyder every time BRP changes something. Usually I have no problem finding willing Spyderlovers for this thankless job. But not so for the F3. I tried to talk several people into testing this bar kit on their F3, but I got the same answer. 'My F3 handles so well I don't want to mess with it'.

Finally, after some shameless badgering, one of my good buddies who also does installs said he had a customer with an F3 that wanted to have a bar installed. He said he'd install the bar and go riding with this customer who was willing to swap F3's during the ride to compare. I was thrilled because you can't do any better than having a veteran, experienced Spyder rider jump between F3's on a road that he knows. Not to mention the feedback from the customer would also be invaluable.

When the phone call came I was a bit apprehensive. But the word I got was; 'The F3 handles great with the stock bar. But it handles FANTASTIC with the Ron-Bar! Both he and his customer (who was very happy by the way) were amazed at the improvement.

Need, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. But until you've ridden an F3 with, and without a Sway Bar upgrade, it's hard to say, without reservation, that you don't need it. Sometimes we are satisfied because we don't know what we're missing! :ohyea:

But I'm always happier when a customer puts some miles on their Spyder and gets to know it intimately before upgrading the bar. They are much more impressed that way! :)

Ron you miss one. It makes it safer to ride in high wind and on the highways. When passing/being passed by large trucks that have a large air wake.

Mike
 
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I did the RT cast-off sway bar upgrade to my F3. I too thought it was great at first but as I put more miles on and started to be more agressive I didn't like the amount of lean I was getting on roundabouts and tight turns.

With the RT bar it corners much flatter and you can turn in more aggressively wihout so much body lean. It no longer feels like it's trying to tip me off it any more!!

If you were concerned about it making it stiffer or a harsher ride, it doesn't do any of that. It's exactly the same until you come to put some steering angle in.

Can also recommend the 2016 '2 up' shock, much better than the 2015 one. If you have a left over 2015 I would consider it even if you ride solo. Unless you have a 2016 MY of course in which case you should already have it.
 
Ron you miss one. It makes it safer to ride in high wind and one the highways. When passing/being passed by large trucks that have a large air wake.

Mike

:agree: I encounter cross-winds a lot here in Kansas, and it's especially tough going among the hills where there's sudden winds. The RonBar really helps that.
 
Need? No, probably not. Then again you likely did not NEED the F3 either. You wanted it, perhaps after you test rode one.

Get used to the way your new F3 handles. Then drive one that has a BajaRon bar installed and you WILL want one too.

I have not had a single customer get a sway bar installed that was not grinning ear to ear the first test ride. Its an amazing improvement. But no, you do not NEED it. The stock bar does its job as designed and will likely never wear out.

Very well put. I should delete my post and insert yours (with credits of course)!
 
Just the person I wanted to ask. So, will a BajaRon sway bar help my F3-S to perform significantly better in terms of body lean around the tighter twisties? I have heard that putting RT sway bars in is a big help. Could you please articulate which one works the best and why? One last question would be, why purchase the upgraded links? Thanks in advance for your answer. I am REALLY, REALLY interested in hearing from an expert on these questions. Capt. Bob

The Stock RT Bar is stiffer than the Stock F3 bar and many have gone that route. The Stock RT Bar will give you improvement in handling and overall stability, especially in cross winds and when passing large semi's on the Freeway. But the stock RT bar is not as stiff as the RonBar for the F3. Though not as pronounced as going straight from the stock F3 bar to the F3 RonBar, you will still get a significant improvement when going from the stock RT bar to the RonBar for the F3. You also get a bit more improvement if you replace the stock plastic Heim Joint Links with the BajaRon Billet Aluminum Heim Joint Links because the stock plastic links stretch a bit absorbing some of the sway bar effect.

Some who were initially happy with the Stock RT mod on their F3 got to where they were still getting too much lean and purchased the stiffer F3 RonBar.

When I say 'Stiff', I don't mean a stiffer or harsher ride. The ride is more controlled but not 'Stiffer'. It's something that is difficult to explain but very obvious when you ride.

I had the Ronbar on my 2008 GS and my 2011 RS-S. I live 12 miles from my dealer and realized I wanted on my new F3-S. That said, will a heavy sway bar from an RS fit a 2010 RT? I have a friend that is interested.

You cannot interchange any 2008-2012 sway bar with any 2013+ Spyder model or vise-versa. They will not fit. Within these 2 design models you can interchange bars. But just because it fits does not mean it will give you an improvement. Be careful swapping sway bars. The wrong one can definitely make things worse.

Ron you miss one. It makes it safer to ride in high wind and one the highways. When passing/being passed by large trucks that have a large air wake.

Mike

You're right. And this is a big one to many. Especially those who live or plan to travel where it may be flat, but cross winds are common. The sway bar does much more than get you through the twisties faster. Though this may be the biggest fun factor aspect.
 
The Stock RT Bar is stiffer than the Stock F3 bar and many have gone that route. The Stock RT Bar will give you improvement in handling and overall stability, especially in cross winds and when passing large semi's on the Freeway. But the stock RT bar is not as stiff as the RonBar for the F3. Though not as pronounced as going straight from the stock F3 bar to the F3 RonBar, you will still get a significant improvement when going from the stock RT bar to the RonBar for the F3. You also get a bit more improvement if you replace the stock plastic Heim Joint Links with the BajaRon Billet Aluminum Heim Joint Links because the stock plastic links stretch a bit absorbing some of the sway bar effect.

Some who were initially happy with the Stock RT mod on their F3 got to where they were still getting too much lean and purchased the stiffer F3 RonBar.

When I say 'Stiff', I don't mean a stiffer or harsher ride. The ride is more controlled but not 'Stiffer'. It's something that is difficult to explain but very obvious when you ride.



You cannot interchange any 2008-2012 sway bar with any 2013+ Spyder model or vise-versa. They will not fit. Within these 2 design models you can interchange bars. But just because it fits does not mean it will give you an improvement. Be careful swapping sway bars. The wrong one can definitely make things worse.



You're right. And this is a big one to many. Especially those who live or plan to travel where it may be flat, but cross winds are common. The sway bar does much more than get you through the twisties faster. Though this may be the biggest fun factor aspect.

Ron, Thanks for your detailed reply and explanations. I just ordered one of your swaybars with billet aluminum heim joint links for my 2015 F3-S. The multiple benefits of increased cornering stability and crosswind taming sold me. Capt. Bob
 
Ron, Thanks for your detailed reply and explanations. I just ordered one of your swaybars with billet aluminum heim joint links for my 2015 F3-S. The multiple benefits of increased cornering stability and crosswind taming sold me. Capt. Bob

Once you get a chance to ride the RonBar, let us know what you think! Good, Bad or Ugly! :ohyea:
 
weii said

Need? No, probably not. Then again you likely did not NEED the F3 either. You wanted it, perhaps after you test rode one.

Get used to the way your new F3 handles. Then drive one that has a BajaRon bar installed and you WILL want one too.

I have not had a single customer get a sway bar installed that was not grinning ear to ear the first test ride. Its an amazing improvement. But no, you do not NEED it. The stock bar does its job as designed and will likely never wear out.

:bowdown: You installed on the Wife and sister-in-law F3. And yes we did not need it. But man it nice.:clap: Thanks
 
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Just a different perspective. When we bought our RT I thought the same thing. Why would someone design a $30,000.00 machine that needs to have a $200.00 part added to it to improve handling and performance. For one they need to keep production costs down as low as possible I. Order to maximize their profit. They are also designing a product for the masses and realize that will all of the different Ryding styles out there they can't customize each motorcycle to the individual because of reason number one. This allows each of us the opportunity to "customize" our own ryde.

So I was scepticsl about the Ron Bar. The most uncomfortable experience for me early on was being on the interstate and passing or being passed by trucks. Even with two up, that motorcycle felt lie it moved two feet when passing or in a heavy cross wind. I kept hearing that th Rone Bar was the way to go. A dealer had a sale with zero installation cost and I went for it.

Our RT is like a rock on the freeway, wind doesn't faze us as we travel down the road, and in the corners all I can say is that motorcycle does exactly what I fell it to do, and the nanny doesn't kick in as quickly because of the reduced body roll.

So so in really we don't know any better until we try something new.;)
 
Sway Bar ?????

So I've had my brand new 2015 F3 for just over a week now and I don't even think there are 200 miles on it. Been doing a lot of reading online about replacing the anti-swaybar. Really? Right out of the box my new Can-Am F3 needs fixn'?! How many people out there are riding their F3 stock without changing the swaybar? Are you happy with it or is a replacing the sway bar something you want, but haven't gotten to for some reason?

Before I bought my 2015 F3S I did a bunch of research, read through the forums to see what other were saying about it and I came to the conclusion that everyone complained about the handling.:yikes: For a variety of reasons I don't get to ride mine much, so when I do, I play hard on it or should I say as hard as this 64 year old body can take it. All though the F3 handles well, it could of been much better from the factory. Being an old Harley and Hotrod guy, I just had to improve on it to make it handle like it should have from the factory. Since I was on a very limited budget I had to do the cheap and tried stuff, so the first thing I did was the Baja Ron sway bar with the LaMonster links, (the OEM links are PLASTIC) then the 2 up rear shock. Both of these made one hell of a difference, all the sway and unnecessary rocking was gone, handles like a true sports car does going thru the twisties. I also did the cat delete pipe, bottom end torque and midrange power are greatly improved. I think I will replace the rear 2 up shock with an Elka as funds become available. So was all of this necessary, from a personal stand point YES, but not everyone's riding style is the same, so if you're comfortable with the stock set up, then leave it and enjoy your ride, the only person you have to please is yourself:doorag::doorag:
 
i did it and I am happy

So I've had my brand new 2015 F3 for just over a week now and I don't even think there are 200 miles on it. Been doing a lot of reading online about replacing the anti-swaybar. Really? Right out of the box my new Can-Am F3 needs fixn'?! How many people out there are riding their F3 stock without changing the swaybar? Are you happy with it or is a replacing the sway bar something you want, but haven't gotten to for some reason?

For me not only Swaybar is a problem but also the shocks. But that one I was explaining in the video <strong>
In terms of swaybar, I do drive a lot, I do drive a lot like crazy and I can tell you, the whole bike corners much better with the new swaybar + its much easier to turn, like you do have a powersteering wheel.
I did drive on the friends bike for 3min without the swaybar, and then was the time when I really felt the difference.
Would I do it again - definatelly. Is it really necessery? I dont think so, more the shocks will help.
 
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