DESS Key code again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Joel The Biker]

I dont know if the DESS can be deactivated if it doesnt recognize the key at all.

 

[Brettssunshine]

So is the Bad Key and the D.E.S.S. error two different things?

 

[Joel The Biker]

My guess is yes. If the screen says bad key, then disabling the DESS might not fix it. My screen said DESS error when it went bad. I could be wrong though.

 

[SuperG]

Brp's system sounds like a sort of RFID system to me, a topic which I am quite familiar with. AFAIK, these keys have no batteries, and it's rare for a batteryless RFID chip to go bad. The dealer is on the right path, start with the antenna element and work your way back to the reader module.

 

[Deanna777]

Any golf you out there who have bought Rykers, have you had the dreaded D.E.S.S. error?

Just curious
Deanna

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

I have now gotten the dreaded Bad Key error on my 2015 F3S. It is out of every warranty there is....No Warranty. For awhile, I was able to spray inside the ignition with some electrical spray and that kept me going for a couple of months but now....it won't work.
The dealer, nearest me, has ordered a new ignition system. He's telling me that there is an "antenna" in the ignition that communicates with the chip in the key. Ok, I get that is probably simplifying things, but he also told me the Can Am will do nothing about this. My cost (guessing) will be around $700 when all is said and done. I know the part cost is $400+.
If using BUDS on my Spyder will save the $$ as well as the aggravation of my Spyder being in the shop....I'm down for it. Where do I find someone that will do this for me?

The dealer might be " GUESSING " about that FIX …… Ask them " if that doesn't work - do I have to pay for it ?????? " ….good luck …. Mike hyea:

 

[SuperG]

If you look at what appears to be an ignition unit on the parts fiche, you'll notice it's labeled DESS Antenna. That's gonna be your weakest link as it's a mechanical part. Certainly, 'retrying' the whole key thing fits in with that scenario.

Depending on the *design* of the DESS system and how/whether the chip key's reader modules/antenna's are node locked - they may also need to replace the DESS module as well. The node locking has to do with preventing someone shoving an aftermarket DESS 'spoofing' system into the mix.

Before column mounted ignitions in cars, there was nothing preventing you from popping out your ignition popping it into someone else's in order to steal it.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

If you look at what appears to be an ignition unit on the parts fiche, you'll notice it's labeled DESS Antenna. That's gonna be your weakest link as it's a mechanical part. Certainly, 'retrying' the whole key thing fits in with that scenario.

Depending on the *design* of the DESS system and how/whether the chip key's reader modules/antenna's are node locked - they may also need to replace the DESS module as well. The node locking has to do with preventing someone shoving an aftermarket DESS 'spoofing' system into the mix.

Before column mounted ignitions in cars, there was nothing preventing you from popping out your ignition popping it into someone else's in order to steal it.

I've read every post on that Thread ….. and 90% have just had to change the MODULE to get the issue fixed ….. which leads me to believe " changing the ignition switch " is purely a GUESS, and doesn't really effect anything …… good luck …. Mike hyea:

 

[SuperG]

I've read every post on that Thread ….. and 90% have just had to change the MODULE to get the issue fixed ….. which leads me to believe " changing the ignition switch " is purely a GUESS, and doesn't really effect anything …… good luck …. Mike hyea:

Actually no, as in any RFID system, there is an antenna, even if it's a near-field, inductively coupled one - and the fiche indicates it's in the key module. It's not a separate part on it's own. That's an Achilles heel here. At any rate, the parts cost are not out of line, what gets expensive is labor. In some cases it is more economical to replace parts as a system than to have a tech spend expensive time on your nickel to diagnose down to a specific individual component. Modern electronic devices like smartphones and PC's are great example. I could repair broken PC motherboards down to the component all day long at $90+ an hour - but you likely won't go for it as you could probably could buy an entire new PC with the bill I'd hand you.

It may be true in your estimation that the majority of these Spyders have had the module replaced. Certainly, a module could fail if it's antenna failed due to an improper load. We don't have any failure analysis on the parts here without any input from BRP themselves, and the bean counters don't usually let the engineers make public pronouncements. We're no smarter off than the dealer tech's here. All we can do is make anecdotal observations.

 

[Jaxfann]

Any body out there that have bought Rykers have you had the dreaded D.E.S.S.error?

Just curious
Deanna

700 miles - no problems!

 

[Freezefm]

Any body out there that have bought Rykers have you had the dreaded D.E.S.S.error?

Just curious
Deanna

Nope. I've put almost 3,900 miles on it and have never had a D.E.S.S. fault.

Francis

 

[Deanna777]

700 miles - no problems!

I hope you don't get the dreaded D.E.S.S error.
Deanna

 

[Deanna777]

Nope. I've put almost 3,900 miles on it and have never had a D.E.S.S. fault.

Francis

Francis, I hope you don't get the Dreaded D.E.S.S fault.

Deanna

 

[AY4B]

EEEk! I got one today!

 

[thereverend]

Just curious if anyone has had DESS FAULT CODE after having a ecm reflash as they can bypass the mode button start up process...

 

[Deanna777]

EEEk! I got one today!

What year is your spyder?

and do you have warranty, and B.E.S.T warranty?
If you do the D.E.S.S module is covered under the warranty.

Deanna

 

[AY4B]

What year is your spyder?

and do you have warranty, and B.E.S.T warranty?
If you do the D.E.S.S module is covered under the warranty.

Deanna

Yes I have both, but since I just got the monster flash, I was worried they may say that caused it and void my warranty. I would rather go to Spyderpops and have them turn it off and not worry about it happening again. If they detect the flash and have to replace the module, they might reprogram my ecu and wipe out my flash.

 

[AY4B]

Just curious if anyone has had DESS FAULT CODE after having a ecm reflash as they can bypass the mode button start up process...

I got it today a week after getting the Monster flash. It would not do anything for a few minutes and I just pulled the key and started over and it started. Im not sure if it helped me or hurt me. I would rather get it turned off and not worry about it happening again.

 

[Deanna777]

Yes I have both, but since I just got the monster flash, I was worried they may say that caused it and void my warranty. I would rather go to Spyderpops and have them turn it off and not worry about it happening again. If they detect the flash and have to replace the module, they might reprogram my ecu and wipe out my flash.

Question: What is "The Monster Flash"?

Deanna

 

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Question: What is "The Monster Flash"?

Deanna

It is a 1962 novelty song and the best-known song by Bobby "Boris" Pickett!