Dealer setup and freight

[aka1004]

all that matter is out-the-door price. tax,licence and etc., included.
they can have 1600 delivery charge and 1600 set up fee but that does not mean i will pay all that. that was the actual number a dealer near los angele tacked on to the price tag when i bought my spyder with sticker price of 17500 or 17900 for 08 se5 in november of 09. i offered them 18000 out-the-door and i will take it that night and show them 10k in cash i had with me. they turned it down wanting 1000 dollars more so next morning i went to another dealer and decide to get a 09 for 900 dollars more and while i was doing the paperwork, first dealer called and i told him i just started doing paperwork at another dealership and first dealer said if i drop the deal there now and come he will sell me the 08 for 17800 OTD!!!
yes dealer needs to make and should make money but paying excessive prep and freight does not make sense neither.

oh and if i was looking for spyder now, i will jump on that 09 for 13k if it's a se5.:thumbup:

 

[buckey48]

all that matter is out-the-door price. tax,licence and etc., included.
they can have 1600 delivery charge and 1600 set up fee but that does not mean i will pay all that. that was the actual number a dealer near los angele tacked on to the price tag when i bought my spyder with sticker price of 17500 or 17900 for 08 se5 in november of 09. i offered them 18000 out-the-door and i will take it that night and show them 10k in cash i had with me. they turned it down wanting 1000 dollars more so next morning i went to another dealer and decide to get a 09 for 900 dollars more and while i was doing the paperwork, first dealer called and i told him i just started doing paperwork at another dealership and first dealer said if i drop the deal there now and come he will sell me the 08 for 17800 OTD!!!
yes dealer needs to make and should make money but paying excessive prep and freight does not make sense neither.

oh and if i was looking for spyder now, i will jump on that 09 for 13k if it's a se5.:thumbup:

No it is an sm5.

 

[Blue Star]

Dealers are reimbursed for warranty work, but at the rate that BRP expects that the work should be done. If they have an item listed as 2 hours and it takes the dealer 3 hours for whatever reason, they just ate an hour. At least that is how I understand it. I know there are some dealers on this site and they can correct me if I am wrong.

I Learned something new today, thank you. :yes:

 

[aka1004]

I Learned something new today, thank you. :yes:

one of the dealer's service manager flat out and said, we can not work on your spyder any more because we are loosing money on it. brp does not pay for time we put in for diagnostics and etc.
they did try a lot of things, probably beyond the point many dealers will not go to fix my mysterious problems but at the end, their bottom line was more important and i kinda understand...

 

[bone crusher]

My dealer had, if I recall correctly (and I might not be), a $600 freight, delivery, etc....charge...

I look for a good deal but I don't waste too much time on this type of stuff...my time is worth far more than shopping around weekend after weekend trying to save a couple of hundred dollars.

My sentiment is always to get a fair price and just buy the darn thing...if you have that much time to waste shopping around for months, you should get another job, IMHO!

 

[boborgera]

My sentiment is always to get a fair price and just buy the darn thing...if you have that much time to waste shopping around for months, you should get another job, IMHO!

:agree:= Then after all that price chasing someone will tell you,
you paid too much i got it for less, and knock you down a notch.:yikes:

 

[osskicker]

It's easy to price chase with little effort thanks to the internet :thumbup:and with a variety of charges from Dealers it's worth it.
$saving $1300.00 is not pocket change to me but to each his own.
I work hard for my money and don't waste it on padding someones pocket if I can avoid it by doing a little research :2thumbs:

The phrase "There is a sucker born every minute" I am sure came from the ones that walk in and say " I'll take that one" and pay full price :yikes:
Bottom line is if you are happy with your deal screw what anyone else thinks.
Unless of course if they are paying the bills:roflblack:

 

[aka1004]

i don't know about you but i do not like to pay too much for the same item.
that does not mean i will wait months. i went to 2 dealers, made an offer, one refused other one accepted. well, other offered less than what i asked to pay when they realized i was about to buy one at another dealer. i went to the dealer with a price in mind. i typically use this guideline. i would pay about or few hundred over the sticker(no prep,freight) out the door.

the fact that one dealer has freight/prep at 1600/1600 and another dealer at 1100/1100 shows that they are tacking on extra profit. every products you buy has freight and prep, whether it's apple or spyder. it's just that auto industry has been abusing it for long time. i used to work at a chevy dealership in vegas and there was "desert protection package" added to every vehicle. it was pretty stiff additional charge too, between 2000-3500 dollars. when i asked my sales manager what that was and he smiled and said more money in your pocket...

of course not everyone wants to hunt down a good deal but i do with reasonable effort.:thumbup:

 

[IWN2RYD]

Just adding more.... We got a quote for $26,499 plus $849 for freight and setup... Another for $26,099 plus $1340 for freight and setup...

Basically.. the second dealer thought they could make me think I was getting a deal, but they got all their profits back on the tail end with the high setup and freight fee.

We made an even better deal in the long run, but the service/treatment is what sold us.

So like others have said... It is all about the out the door price. Some put the numbers together differently.

At the end of the day... The service you have received and the out the door price are all that matter. Paying more at one dealer when it could have been cheaper at another is just silly. Unless that was the only dealer with one left (Supply and demand) or the deal, situation and so on was the right one for you.

 

[canam9]

Dealers are reimbursed for warranty work, but at the rate that BRP expects that the work should be done. If they have an item listed as 2 hours and it takes the dealer 3 hours for whatever reason, they just ate an hour. At least that is how I understand it. I know there are some dealers on this site and they can correct me if I am wrong.

Its my understanding it works both ways. If BRP pays 3 hours and it only takes them one half hour to do the work, they can and most likey will charge 3 hours to the customer. :ani29:

 

[Spyderman55]

Keep being short-sided...

[FONT=verdana, helvetica, sans-serif]...by continuing to squeeze dealers on price you will wind up with nowhere to take your Spyder for service - or the service is going to be sub-standard because the dealer won't be able to invest in skilled mechanics or their training. [/FONT]

[FONT=verdana, helvetica, sans-serif]It's my understanding that about 30% of the Can-Am dealers in the U.S. have gone out of business in just the last 18 months. If the remaining dealers aren't allowed to make a reasonable profit, more will suffer the same fate.[/FONT]

[FONT=verdana, helvetica, sans-serif]Keep in mind that dealers have hard costs they have to pay:[/FONT]

• [FONT=verdana, helvetica, sans-serif]First, they have to order and purchase their 1st half inventory at the end of the previous year. They're on the hook for all the associated financing charges.

• [FONT=verdana, helvetica, sans-serif]BRP charges the dealers for shipping (approx. $500 per vehicle).[/FONT]
• [FONT=verdana, helvetica, sans-serif]They may have to pay for storage of that inventory (hopefully your dealer stores their Spyder inventory in a warehouse - not outside).[/FONT]
• [FONT=verdana, helvetica, sans-serif]When you order your Spyder, some dealers have to ship it from the warehouse to the dealership.[/FONT]
• [FONT=verdana, helvetica, sans-serif]Then they have to assemble, apply any software updates, inspect, dispose of all the crating debris, and test ryde each Spyder (up to 5 hours or more of shop labor involved, hence the setup fee).[/FONT]
• [FONT=verdana, helvetica, sans-serif]They have the salaries of the mechanics and office personnel, and the expense of their building, insurance, internet, telephone, gas, electric, water, garbage, alarm, city fees, environmental fees, and a host of other fees.[/FONT]
• [FONT=verdana, helvetica, sans-serif]In California, dealers need to charge State Sales tax (9.75% where I live) on the Spyder and anything else purchased, collect the documentation fee and associated tax, and the License fee.[/FONT]

[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, helvetica, sans-serif]And then there's warranty work. BRP only pays what they think it should take to fix a problem, not what it actually takes. I especially like the weasels that eat up Dealer A's time with questions and demo rydes; then go out and buy at a cheaper price from Dealer B who didn't do anything; and have the audacity to demand warranty service from Dealer A because Dealer B's service stinks.[/FONT]

[FONT=verdana, helvetica, sans-serif]I was shocked to find out how little the dealers actually make on each Spyder sale. Dealers need to make a reasonable profit or they won't carry products like (low sales volume) Spyders, or be able to stay in business.[/FONT]

[FONT=verdana, helvetica, sans-serif]There are definitely some questionable dealers out there, but there are more really good ones. Support the good ones and the bad ones will have to change their ways or go out of business.[/FONT]

 

[aka1004]

reasonable is the key word.
if they think i am going to pay 1600/1600 for freight and prep, they are crazy. if i went in without a number in my mind, they would have said $22500 which was what dealer was sending out if you requested a quote thru website at the time.

in any case, if you walk into any dealership of any vehicle, their goal is to make as much as money possible off of you. sometimes they succeed, sometimes they only make REASONABLE profit.
when i bought my spyder, it was just about time that spyder's severe shortage was just about ending but it was still a hot commodity but dealer was willing to make the deal with only 09 they at the time at end of 08 so... i don't think they are getting squeezed.
of course big dealers in big cities will have more room to work with by getting bigger discount with larger order than the smaller dealership.

 

[bone crusher]

:agree:= Then after all that price chasing someone will tell you,
you paid too much i got it for less, and knock you down a notch.:yikes:

Exactly!!!

 

[bone crusher]

It's easy to price chase with little effort thanks to the internet :thumbup:and with a variety of charges from Dealers it's worth it.
$saving $1300.00 is not pocket change to me but to each his own.
I work hard for my money and don't waste it on padding someones pocket if I can avoid it by doing a little research :2thumbs:

The phrase "There is a sucker born every minute" I am sure came from the ones that walk in and say " I'll take that one" and pay full price :yikes:
Bottom line is if you are happy with your deal screw what anyone else thinks.
Unless of course if they are paying the bills:roflblack:

As far as the Spyder goes, I bought mine in 2008 when there were no discounts...just a waiting list! I called two dealers and one offered to reduce the delivery charges so I went with them.

As far as your other comment, nobody said not to negotiate...I think that spending countless hours to save some money generally isn't worth your time. If you saved $1300 with minimal effort, good for you..you did great! If it took you 15 hours and 500 miles of travel, that's another story...

 

[buckey48]

[FONT=verdana, helvetica, sans-serif]...by continuing to squeeze dealers on price you will wind up with nowhere to take your Spyder for service - or the service is going to be sub-standard because the dealer won't be able to invest in skilled mechanics or their training. [/FONT]

[FONT=verdana, helvetica, sans-serif]It's my understanding that about 30% of the Can-Am dealers in the U.S. have gone out of business in just the last 18 months. If the remaining dealers aren't allowed to make a reasonable profit, more will suffer the same fate.[/FONT]

[FONT=verdana, helvetica, sans-serif]Keep in mind that dealers have hard costs they have to pay:[/FONT]

• [FONT=verdana, helvetica, sans-serif]First, they have to order and purchase their 1st half inventory at the end of the previous year. They're on the hook for all the associated financing charges.

• [FONT=verdana, helvetica, sans-serif]BRP charges the dealers for shipping (approx. $500 per vehicle).[/FONT]
• [FONT=verdana, helvetica, sans-serif]They may have to pay for storage of that inventory (hopefully your dealer stores their Spyder inventory in a warehouse - not outside).[/FONT]
• [FONT=verdana, helvetica, sans-serif]When you order your Spyder, some dealers have to ship it from the warehouse to the dealership.[/FONT]
• [FONT=verdana, helvetica, sans-serif]Then they have to assemble, apply any software updates, inspect, dispose of all the crating debris, and test ryde each Spyder (up to 5 hours or more of shop labor involved, hence the setup fee).[/FONT]
• [FONT=verdana, helvetica, sans-serif]They have the salaries of the mechanics and office personnel, and the expense of their building, insurance, internet, telephone, gas, electric, water, garbage, alarm, city fees, environmental fees, and a host of other fees.[/FONT]
• [FONT=verdana, helvetica, sans-serif]In California, dealers need to charge State Sales tax (9.75% where I live) on the Spyder and anything else purchased, collect the documentation fee and associated tax, and the License fee.[/FONT]

[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, helvetica, sans-serif]And then there's warranty work. BRP only pays what they think it should take to fix a problem, not what it actually takes. I especially like the weasels that eat up Dealer A's time with questions and demo rydes; then go out and buy at a cheaper price from Dealer B who didn't do anything; and have the audacity to demand warranty service from Dealer A because Dealer B's service stinks.[/FONT]

[FONT=verdana, helvetica, sans-serif]I was shocked to find out how little the dealers actually make on each Spyder sale. Dealers need to make a reasonable profit or they won't carry products like (low sales volume) Spyders, or be able to stay in business.[/FONT]

[FONT=verdana, helvetica, sans-serif]There are definitely some questionable dealers out there, but there are more really good ones. Support the good ones and the bad ones will have to change their ways or go out of business.[/FONT]

I do not know what the problem with sellers both dealers and private parties who have Spyders for sale.

I rarely get a reply, they ignore my questions or tell me they will get back to me and don't. I have tried Cycletrader and out of at least a dozen request 1 reply. Craigslist isn't any better. They don't have a contact phone number at don't reply to e-mails.

I haven't even ridden one yet and the dealers say they will e-mail when a demo bike is available. Ya right.

Most used are also 08 models with NO warranty, based on problems I hear about on this site, I wouldn't buy without one.

I wonder if ongoing problems are the reason so many 08 models with LOW miles are for sale.
:dontknow:

 

[boborgera]

[FONT=verdana, helvetica, sans-serif]...by continuing to squeeze dealers on price you will wind up with nowhere to take your Spyder for service - or the service is going to be sub-standard because the dealer won't be able to invest in skilled mechanics or their training. [/FONT]

[FONT=verdana, helvetica, sans-serif]It's my understanding that about 30% of the Can-Am dealers in the U.S. have gone out of business in just the last 18 months. If the remaining dealers aren't allowed to make a reasonable profit, more will suffer the same fate.[/FONT]

[FONT=verdana, helvetica, sans-serif]Keep in mind that dealers have hard costs they have to pay:[/FONT]

• [FONT=verdana, helvetica, sans-serif]First, they have to order and purchase their 1st half inventory at the end of the previous year. They're on the hook for all the associated financing charges.

• [FONT=verdana, helvetica, sans-serif]BRP charges the dealers for shipping (approx. $500 per vehicle).[/FONT]
• [FONT=verdana, helvetica, sans-serif]They may have to pay for storage of that inventory (hopefully your dealer stores their Spyder inventory in a warehouse - not outside).[/FONT]
• [FONT=verdana, helvetica, sans-serif]When you order your Spyder, some dealers have to ship it from the warehouse to the dealership.[/FONT]
• [FONT=verdana, helvetica, sans-serif]Then they have to assemble, apply any software updates, inspect, dispose of all the crating debris, and test ryde each Spyder (up to 5 hours or more of shop labor involved, hence the setup fee).[/FONT]
• [FONT=verdana, helvetica, sans-serif]They have the salaries of the mechanics and office personnel, and the expense of their building, insurance, internet, telephone, gas, electric, water, garbage, alarm, city fees, environmental fees, and a host of other fees.[/FONT]
• [FONT=verdana, helvetica, sans-serif]In California, dealers need to charge State Sales tax (9.75% where I live) on the Spyder and anything else purchased, collect the documentation fee and associated tax, and the License fee.[/FONT]

[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, helvetica, sans-serif]And then there's warranty work. BRP only pays what they think it should take to fix a problem, not what it actually takes. I especially like the weasels that eat up Dealer A's time with questions and demo rydes; then go out and buy at a cheaper price from Dealer B who didn't do anything; and have the audacity to demand warranty service from Dealer A because Dealer B's service stinks.[/FONT]

[FONT=verdana, helvetica, sans-serif]I was shocked to find out how little the dealers actually make on each Spyder sale. Dealers need to make a reasonable profit or they won't carry products like (low sales volume) Spyders, or be able to stay in business.[/FONT]

[FONT=verdana, helvetica, sans-serif]There are definitely some questionable dealers out there, but there are more really good ones. Support the good ones and the bad ones will have to change their ways or go out of business.[/FONT]

:agree::agree::agree::agree::agree: