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Dealer Gouging on 2022 Ryker models
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EchoVictor
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After seeing a few YouTube videos of how Rykers are shipped partially disassembled (wheels/tires off, nose plastics/shrouds off, alignment, etc.), I was much more forgiving for a bit of need for the dealer to charge something for set-up. They have to pay their folks after all.
That being said, when I ordered my '22 back in September, I did find a lot of variation bewteen dealers in the metro Detroit area. Anyhwere from around $1850 for the dealer fees, down to $600 (which is the guy I went with). Seeing that he also gave me a 10% discount on the $1500+ in accessories I ordered, I figured it was a worthwhile deal.
Call around, or be willing to travel a bit. You might find someone who is willing to earn your business....
Later,
EV
That being said, when I ordered my '22 back in September, I did find a lot of variation bewteen dealers in the metro Detroit area. Anyhwere from around $1850 for the dealer fees, down to $600 (which is the guy I went with). Seeing that he also gave me a 10% discount on the $1500+ in accessories I ordered, I figured it was a worthwhile deal.
Call around, or be willing to travel a bit. You might find someone who is willing to earn your business....
Later,
EV
ferrasr
Member
A Free Market Economy - Freedom to participate is characteristic of a free market economy which any one individual can take part in or not. The decision to buy a Spyder or consume a particular product is totally voluntary. One disadvantage of a free market economy is that some businesses are driven exclusively by their profit motives and do not care about building customer relationships or loyalty for future business.
I am a big "support your dealer" fan and work to build that relationship. This can help to ensure that dealership is there to assist you when issues arise with a product that falls into a grey area, for example whether an item or repair is covered under warranty. The dealership can go to bat for you. This has happened several times over my 44 years of having a motorcycle.
When I went to the 2 local dealers in the area to purchase the RTL I went to both dealerships and based my buying decision on both price and how I was treated by the dealership. I also asked to meet the service managers and toured their service area to help with my decision. Admittedly the one dealer charging $1890.00CND freight and delivery fee vs $770.00CND by the other dealer made my choice easier. I also purchased accessory options from the dealer, who also provide a 20% discount and know I could have found these accessories cheaper from after market companies.
I find there will always be advantages and disadvantages in a Free Market Economy.
Randy
I am a big "support your dealer" fan and work to build that relationship. This can help to ensure that dealership is there to assist you when issues arise with a product that falls into a grey area, for example whether an item or repair is covered under warranty. The dealership can go to bat for you. This has happened several times over my 44 years of having a motorcycle.
When I went to the 2 local dealers in the area to purchase the RTL I went to both dealerships and based my buying decision on both price and how I was treated by the dealership. I also asked to meet the service managers and toured their service area to help with my decision. Admittedly the one dealer charging $1890.00CND freight and delivery fee vs $770.00CND by the other dealer made my choice easier. I also purchased accessory options from the dealer, who also provide a 20% discount and know I could have found these accessories cheaper from after market companies.
I find there will always be advantages and disadvantages in a Free Market Economy.
Randy
Unclear on the concept of 'worth' I think.
"Worth" is What someone is willing to pay. Ten people, ten different ideas of worth. Advertise at that price and don't be surprised if you get calls. Can't speak for all areas, but Spyders are hard to come by in my area new or used and are bringing top dollar. Brings to mind the HD boom years ago. Our dealership was charging as much as $5000 over list price AND THE SHOWROOM WAS EMPTY!
Peteoz
Well-known member
In reality, Ray, what your first line should have said is -
“With the willingness of some here to pay more than “what I think” a product is worth”
Some out there will feel that, to them, the product should be cheaper than what YOU think it is worth, while others will feel happy to pay more than what YOU think it is worth, as that is what the product is worth to THEM. That is simply a fact of life. If you ask $26,000 and get no takers, you drop your price. If you get several offers, you up the price to $27,000 to see who among the interested feels it is worth that to them……or would you consider getting that extra grand in your pocket, price gouging on your part? …… it isn’t, it is simply market supply and demand.
Pete
I agree. The gentleman never even said what industry his Japanese company was part of.
If I read p38's original post, it seems like the $2500 is being tacked on more like a luxury tax because "they can". All new vehicles are subject to shipping/destination charges, so there's no surprise there, but are these fees unreasonably greater than last time we all bought our vehicles? Paying over MSRP always gave me heartburn, so I don't (especially for vehicles). I wanted a particular luxury watch for Christmas, but everybody including eBay was charging about 50% over MSRP because they can. Supposedly supply is tight, yet I had no trouble finding one. I found a different brand for less that wasn't sold for 150% of MSRP. Back to Rykers - my dealer gave me a great deal over a year ago. I don't even know what the "setup fee" was, but it wasn't much. Perhaps BRP should bake the setup fee into the MSRP if they can't ship them assembled. I do know I would have walked away if the dealer presented a scenario where I had to pay $2500 more than I expected because of "market conditions". I had already gone to a dealer 40 miles away because my local one had zero interest in selling me anything or even offering a test ride. I understand the comments about this hobby not being cheap and dealers needing to stay alive however they can if they don't have enough product. However, there is also a reason there is intense hatred out there for some auto and powersports dealers. Some of them are just bad players exploiting people's emotions. I understand p38's frustration. Not everybody having this hobby is made of money (I'm NOT directing this at p38), and things like "markups because we can" are seriously disappointing to people who thought they could get a piece of the pie based on what now seems to be an artificial MSRP. Tacking unreasonable fees to the MSRP just rubs a lot of people the wrong way.
It's not motorsports. Might as well be comparing apples to propane tanks.
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With most of the BRP dealers renegotiating their dealer agreements here in Australia, it may be safe to assume the same happened in the US. They have some pretty tight sales numbers, so if it were me I'd be letting the "gougers" hang themselves and buy from those that dont.
Mind you we are seeing dealerships of any brand of car/bike/truck/ATV/watercraft doing the same due to supply issues
Mind you we are seeing dealerships of any brand of car/bike/truck/ATV/watercraft doing the same due to supply issues
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CloverHillCrawler
Active member
If it is a static cost then why is it not factored in on the base price?
I agree. Dealers adding arbitrary fees because they're having a bad year reminds me of prohibiting a credit card unless you spend a certain amount, "18% gratuity automatically added for parties over 8 people", and finance people adding payment protection (insurance) to your car note without asking. It leaves you feeling sour.
ARtraveler
R.I.P. Dwayne
:agree: RE: payment protection insurance charges: Most contracts have a special signature line that must be signed by the buyer. You will be pointed to it when you get to the "sign here" part. I am careful to look at everything I am signing. I actually have fun with this one. I always thank them for pre-filling it out and always tell them, no way. Purchase of this extra is NOT a requirement to get the loan. i tell them if I crash the bike or car that's your problem, not mine. :roflblack: It is a profit making add on by the dealer.
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Right. I got burned by that many years ago in my 20s. I saw it later and had them redo the contract and take it off. I think it was adding $7 to my payment or something. These days, you have to decline their requests to add paint and various other extended warranties at time of sale. They wanted to sell me crap that amounted to $300 per month added to my already awesome payment when I bought my F-150. That alone is a car payment for some people!
There's a whole 'nuther thread on that!
https://www.spyderlovers.com/forums...gs-continue-to-cost-more!&highlight=Commodity
EchoVictor
New member
Hey k,
I wound up going with K&W Cycle out of Shelby Township. Talk to Jeff Siladke. He was very up-front and direct with me.
If I wouldn't have done the deal with K&W, the next best place that I got good response from was Nord Ride in Mt. Morris (which is a fair bit closer to you).
Good luck,
EV
P.S. Which model you going after?
I wound up going with K&W Cycle out of Shelby Township. Talk to Jeff Siladke. He was very up-front and direct with me.
If I wouldn't have done the deal with K&W, the next best place that I got good response from was Nord Ride in Mt. Morris (which is a fair bit closer to you).
Good luck,
EV
P.S. Which model you going after?
I’m thinking the Rally but could possibly settle for the sport. I really like that they added cruise control to them. I’ve owned a 2009 RS Spyder as well as a 2016 RTS Spyder but missed 2 wheels and went back to them. Currently ride a 2016 Versys 650 but have liked the Rykers since they came out. Never have ridden one yet. Hoping to go to bike week in Daytona come March and get a demo ride on the Ryker. Thanks.
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