Dead Spyder

[AMTJIM]

The Spyder which is more car stable than a motorcycle, they are all going over to sealed/unserviceable AGM/GelCell batteries. They don't mind leaning and can be mounted in all attitudes, still a little internally delicate to shock and vibes it seems. They had alot of reliability issues initially on many motorcycles, they would act very odd and show high voltage but have a bad cell, take a charge, but not hold it...they are getting better.

 

[cptjam]

Hmmmm

No question, buy a new battery. Check the connections - make sure all are clean and bright. A loose ground wire on the frame has caused many of these exact issues. If the battery in it is over 3 years old, you would probably need to replace it anyway. I know many on here will say "my battery lasted XXX years, and no problems........." but really, they are an expendable item, like brake pads and hoses and stuff. I don't doubt it was inspected, and ridden onto the truck. I also doubt a reputable dealer would risk their reputation for $100 battery! It died, move on. Post up when it is fixed, and plan on riding it to the California event in a couple of weeks - Spyders in the Redwoods. This forum is great to share information, and the gatherings facilitated by this forum are just fantastic. Good luck! Joe

 

[Bob Denman]

:agree:A new and fully-charged batter should be the solution to this... :thumbup:
Please let us know what happens next; Good Luck! :2thumbs:

 

[spy_der_man]

Okay, I replaced the battery and still won't run.....:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

 

[billybovine]

Okay, I replaced the battery and still won't run.....:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

I figured that would happen. Does it still crank just fine? If so it's flooded. Like I said in a previous post do a WOT start.

 

[spy_der_man]

I figured that would happen. Does it still crank just fine? If so it's flooded. Like I said in a previous post do a WOT start.

Bike cranks fine. I did the WOT again and nothing. I spoke to an associate that had spoken to a service tech and the tech thinks the plugs are fouled. his advice was to check them, clean and dry them and try again. My question was/is if the bike hasn't been touched by me for 2 days are the plugs still going to be wet?
:dontknow::dontknow::dontknow::dontknow::dontknow::dontknow::dontknow:

 

[billybovine]

Put the charger on the battery and try the WOT from time to time. When mine did this last fall it took 6 or 7 tries.
Pulling out the plugs and cleaning them is a lot of work and risks damaging the crappy OE wires. If you do decide to pull the plugs may as well put in new ones.

 

[spy_der_man]

Put the charger on the battery and try the WOT from time to time. When mine did this last fall it took 6 or 7 tries.
Pulling out the plugs and cleaning them is a lot of work and risks damaging the crappy OE wires. If you do decide to pull the plugs may as well put in new ones.

I pulled one plug and cleaned it up real good. I saw where the other one was located and scrapped the rest of the project. I'm not mechanically inclined enough with this thing to even attempt to get to the other plug. I will say it was a bittersweet moment though. After I cleaned the one plug and put it back together I tried to start this darn thing. Well I heard it try to start, felt the engine try to start, heard the sound of the exhaust telling me that its trying but just doesn't have enough spark. Once I get the plugs cleaned or changed I think it will be up and running, Now I just have to find a way to get it to a dealer for that:banghead::gaah:

 

[TexAmRider]

Put more oil in it

For some reason oil level to low and bike will not start. Happened to me once,

 

[AMTJIM]

WOW, I think you are done...it's time for the seller to step up. I'd pursue that at this point, you may start getting blamed for touching it any further if they were so quick to want to blame the transporter.
Only question I have is do you hear the fuel pump pressurize when you turn the key on?

 

[billybovine]

For some reason oil level to low and bike will not start. Happened to me once,

The oil level has no effect on starting. The Spyder has no oil level detection. So it can be started without oil if you want. I don't know who told this BS but it is wrong.

 

[spy_der_man]

Well, I got both plugs out last night and cleaned them the best that I could. Put everything all back together. I think I put it together right, I didn't have any extra screws or parts laying around :roflblack:.
I went to fire it up and got a chug chug but nothing else. I think at this point in time it's time to buy new plugs?

 

[Lew L]

Starting fluid

If you can see the air intake just shoot a LITTLE starting fluid in there. If there is spark, fuel, and compression--- it will fire up

Good luck,

Kaos

 

[TexAmRider]

No BS Here Happened to me twice on my 998

The oil level has no effect on starting. The Spyder has no oil level detection. So it can be started without oil if you want. I don't know who told this BS but it is wrong.

Not going to argue with you, but happened to me twice. Just the facts I know. There is an oil sensor/sender on the unit. First time it happened, I was told to check oil level (which of course you can't do properly unless normal operating temp). After multiple attemps at starting before the oil with no luck, I added oil with a good guess as to what it might need, and It started immediately. Sold the bike, to get a new 2014, and it happened to the guy I sold it to. Told him same thing, added oil and it started.

 

[AMTJIM]

If you do take the plugs out again, stick them back in the plug wires and see if you can see a spark on them when you crank it. There have been several plug wire shorts to engine killing the spark resulting in excess fuel and a fire in the muffler in some cases . I don't think this is your problem though, it should be stinking like gas by now from all the unburned fuel.
So how about that sound of a fuel pump pressurizing, do you hear it when you turn the key?

 

[spy_der_man]

WOW, I think you are done...it's time for the seller to step up. I'd pursue that at this point, you may start getting blamed for touching it any further if they were so quick to want to blame the transporter.
Only question I have is do you hear the fuel pump pressurize when you turn the key on?

I don't know what to look for. all I can say is i smell gas after a while when I push the starter button and let crank for a bit

 

[AMTJIM]

Do you hear anything besides the click of the key switch? There should be an immediate kind of swishing whirring noise that silences out after about a second.
If you try the spark plug testing testing, you could maybe wait until it's dark to watck the plugs arc at the gap, there should be no arcs from the wires to the engine or frame.

 

[wyliec]

I have contacted my attorney and I was advised to take it to my local dealer and have the problems documented and forward them to the dealer I bought the bike from and ask them "what are you going to do?" questions.

You may want to take your attorney's advice, if you want to ride anytime soon. Good luck, and I do hope it's nothing major.

 

[Bob Denman]

I don't know what to look for. all I can say is i smell gas after a while when I push the starter button and let crank for a bit

When you crank it for a while, and start smelling gas; are you giving it any throttle at the time? :dontknow:
If you are; don't! That would be what is flooding the bike... which it why you're smelling fuel again. :banghead:
Clean plugs, charged battery, good plugwires: hit the starter, and keep your right wrist away from the "loud grip"...
Good Luck! :thumbup:

 

[DrewNJ]

You did go through all the fuses, right?...HT leads are all on the coil, nothing stuck in the air box horn?

Also, Billy is correct (as usual), oil level has nothing to do with starting so don't waste your time there....

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