CRASH!!!!!!

[crossbowme]

I had a tour in the desert and all I know is it is hotter than hell, there are all kinds of nasty bugs and critters and people shoot at you. Oh, yeah, the sand and dust gets in the crack of your ass no matter how hard you try to keep it out.

Didn't see any motorcycles though.

 

[Jeriatric]

I had a tour in the desert and all I know is it is hotter than hell, there are all kinds of nasty bugs and critters and people shoot at you. Oh, yeah, the sand and dust gets in the crack of your ass no matter how hard you try to keep it out.

Didn't see any motorcycles though.

:roflblack: :cheers:

 

[n7wol]

If your corn is only knee high in July in Alabama you are about to have some burnt up corn!

and in Washington it means you got it to grow early this year ! :roflblack:

 

[MidLifeCrisis]

Unfortunate as it is. It has resulted in a complaint because of the restrictions BRP places on its owners and dealers. Their warranty specifically states no mods allowed unless they are BRP approved equipment. Since they offer nothing for this specific problem neither the customer or the dealer dare do anything unless the customer is willing to forego their warranty (and likely have to sign a waiver to cover the dealers backside). They (BRP) says to address and attempt to resolve any issues at the dealer level before contacting them. If BRP does not have an approved modification for the problem what is the dealer supposed to do? So both the owner and the dealer have their hands tied due to BRP's warranty restrictions. Then you email BRP's customer support people for help and you find yourself a month later still waiting on a response. Any response. And, I continue to wait. Am I being unreasonable? Don't think so! BRP set the rules and I'm trying to operate within them.

My warranty expires in 2016 so I guarantee you it will be resolved by or before then

Decision was easy for me. The boss said she'll never get on the Spyder again, if it cooked her like it did the last time she was on it, so I had to do something. I just can't see how some responsible heat mods to divert heat away from riders (not inward) could cause any failures. If my warranty comes into question, I'll fix it myself, return to stock and sell it. We'll likely never be a customer again, so long as we live in the desert. I have had no issues outside of the standard recalls, but the heat issue has been a doozy and a definite fun killer. No amount of riding gear would offer enough protection against it either.

Would really love to be one of the ones without heat issues and cringe when someone posts, the issue isn't as big as some make it! Oh really? Why do the heat threads get so many hits the count ends with a k, as in thousands? Comments such as those may have very well been why BRP has chosen to ignore the problem for the 2013s. Who knows, maybe they have fixed it and we don't know it yet. Like mentioned, if the problem isn't across the board, some choose to mock it. It's just the way it is I suppose.

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[Jeriatric]

Customer Service? Really

Not sure which is bothering me most at the moment. The Hot Foot problem, or BRP's decision to not respond to my emails?

 

[MidLifeCrisis]

Not sure which is bothering me most at the moment. The Hot Foot problem, or BRP's decision to not respond to my emails?

If they would have at least acknowledged your email, it would have gone a long way. Their silence would tend to give one the impression they don't care, or worse, think a person is just whining and dismiss the complaint. kinda feel they went for the low hanging fruit and added the cat shields on the 2013s and blew off the rest. Hmmm, seems like we're going down the heat path again, which wasn't the point of the thread! Sorry

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[Jeriatric]

Most apparent

Some folks (probably many) are intimidated by some of the old guard here and even some of their new clingers, so they won't speak up. In a way I can understand it, tho that's never been my personality.

My thoughts are as long as a person keeps it real and is as honest as they can be then they should stand up for themselves.

The truth will eventually shine through.

 

[Jeriatric]

Context

Laughable. The best response to the radiator vent heat problem I've heard was from one of the testers.

They said, "BRP must have gotten the heat problem taken care of because they didn't notice it."

What they failed to mention (but was pointed out by at least two other testers) was the tests were conducted in 50/60 degree weather.

Like I've said before. BRP needs to understand some of us live and ride around sand dunes. Not snow drifts.

 

[Jeriatric]

I stayed out of this thread because, quite frankly, I didn't and still don't have a clue as to what it is about.

But it does seem to me that there should at the very least be a "your problem/concern/issue is important to us a we'll look into it sometime" pablumized response from BRP.

Put simply. I was venting. Had just had one more person (a noteable one) tell me to look into brand x heat mods. Obviously they have not followed, or don't care to hear, about the heat problem some of us in the desert southwest have talked about for months.

Then, as often happens, the post was turned into comedy fest. Being a rather serious person that used to bother me. Now I just say screw it and join in.

That's it in a nutshell. :doorag:

And yes, I'm very disapointed in BRP but, one day there will be a time and place to inform someone who will certainly listen. When that door opens I'll take full advantage of it.

 

[Bob Denman]

I've been keeping an eye on your posts because I'm intrigued by the complaint...
I've NEVER felt as if my right foot, leg, toes, knee, shoes or pants were being cooked by the RT.
But then; I'm a Type I diabetic who's got little, if any, feeling remaining in my lower extremities
(Maybe this whole neuropathy thing can have a bright side!)
...and I live in a cooler climate... pps:
I honestly don't know what it feels like to experience what you've been going through, and I also find it mildly disturbing that BRP hasn't responded to your emails...
Have you called them?
My gut tells me that some method to re-direct some airflow will/might help you...
But the bike is what it is; as it was when you bought it... I don't know if Southern California's ryders are universally having this issue; have you heard this complaint from others in your area?
I'm "Old-School"; if it ain't working right, I'll try to find a way to make it work for me. I wouldn't wait for BRP to re-design the bike.
Please keep us informed of your progress in this battle; Good Luck! :thumbup:

 

[Buttsy]

Then, as often happens, the post was turned into comedy fest.

I thought the recomendation that you wear a flame retardent racing suit was an excellent suggestion from the poster? They were concerned about your personal well being, and attempted to show sympathy for your situation? Man everything gets totally taken out of context around here?:dontknow:


BRP to some degree are known for "heat' issues as their ATV lineup and Side x Side lineup are industry known for heat emmission issues. In about 2008-2009 they actually were melting the plastic side panels off the Outlander and had to introduce heat shields and "tin foil" wraps to the panels to prevent this. Lots would complain about not being able to wear shorts on an Outlander........same thing on those forums "You shouldn't be wearing shorts" you need full body armour! It seems the Rotax likes to run hot and produces a lot of heat, it has been a constant challenge for them throughout some of their product lines.

When I first bought the Spyder and started to hear the feedback I thought "hear we go again". But for me with my northern climate I can deal with it. On occasion I have to move my foot off the HWY Peg to alleviate the burn feeling. In my case I do not think I would ever get "burnt" per say but it can become uncomfortable. The HWY Peg alteration does this so in my case I am responsible.

Good Luck in your unending battle to eduacate them.

 

[Jeriatric]

Decision was easy for me. The boss said she'll never get on the Spyder again, if it cooked her like it did the last time she was on it, so I had to do something. I just can't see how some responsible heat mods to divert heat away from riders (not inward) could cause any failures. If my warranty comes into question, I'll fix it myself, return to stock and sell it. We'll likely never be a customer again, so long as we live in the desert. I have had no issues outside of the standard recalls, but the heat issue has been a doozy and a definite fun killer. No amount of riding gear would offer enough protection against it either.

Would really love to be one of the ones without heat issues and cringe when someone posts, the issue isn't as big as some make it! Oh really? Why do the heat threads get so many hits the count ends with a k, as in thousands? Comments such as those may have very well been why BRP has chosen to ignore the problem for the 2013s. Who knows, maybe they have fixed it and we don't know it yet. Like mentioned, if the problem isn't across the board, some choose to mock it. It's just the way it is I suppose.


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I've been keeping an eye on your posts because I'm intrigued by the complaint...
I've NEVER felt as if my right foot, leg, toes, knee, shoes or pants were being cooked by the RT.
But then; I'm a Type I diabetic who's got little, if any, feeling remaining in my lower extremities
(Maybe this whole neuropathy thing can have a bright side!)
...and I live in a cooler climate... pps:
I honestly don't know what it feels like to experience what you've been going through, and I also find it mildly disturbing that BRP hasn't responded to your emails...
Have you called them?
My gut tells me that some method to re-direct some airflow will/might help you...
But the bike is what it is; as it was when you bought it... I don't know if Southern California's ryders are universally having this issue; have you heard this complaint from others in your area?
I'm "Old-School"; if it ain't working right, I'll try to find a way to make it work for me. I wouldn't wait for BRP to re-design the bike.
Please keep us informed of your progress in this battle; Good Luck! :thumbup:

 

[FaranH]

Laughable. The best response to the radiator vent heat problem I've heard was from one of the testers.

They said, "BRP must have gotten the heat problem taken care of because they didn't notice it."

What they failed to mention (but was pointed out by at least two other testers) was the tests were conducted in 50/60 degree weather. .

That was me and I was not in the same testing conditions as the other two testers. I tested in June. It was not in the 80s or 90s but neither was it in the 50s or 60s. I honestly don't remember the temp, just that it was raining off and on that day. I have noticed the heat on every RS I've been on, no matter the temp.

So while my statement may have been a bit naive, I can honestly say that even with my feet in a more forward position than I've ever ridden before, I noticed no heat at all. Was that just because they've done something new on the ST? Was it that I was so excited to ride the ST that I wouldn't have noticed getting hit in the face by a bird? :joke: I'm not sure. But I've been pretty sensitive to the heat in the past and there was nothing to complain about on this one.

 

[Jeriatric]

That was me and I was not in the same testing conditions as the other two testers. I tested in June. It was not in the 80s or 90s but neither was it in the 50s or 60s. I honestly don't remember the temp, just that it was raining off and on that day. I have noticed the heat on every RS I've been on, no matter the temp.

So while my statement may have been a bit naive, I can honestly say that even with my feet in a more forward position than I've ever ridden before, I noticed no heat at all. Was that just because they've done something new on the ST? Was it that I was so excited to ride the ST that I wouldn't have noticed getting hit in the face by a bird? :joke: I'm not sure. But I've been pretty sensitive to the heat in the past and there was nothing to complain about on this one.

Thanks for your response. I stand corrected on the test time and temperature.

 

[Bob Denman]

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..Saw that; ONE other major complaint...
Of course there are others, but i'm specifically talking about folks who ride where you ride and are haivng this issue.
You need to work out a manner with which you can gather up names and complaints for a mailing to BRP perhaps?

 

[Jeriatric]

Others

..Saw that; ONE other major complaint...
Of course there are others, but i'm specifically talking about folks who ride where you ride and are haivng this issue.
You need to work out a manner with which you can gather up names and complaints for a mailing to BRP perhaps?

You mean like this. It may take you all day but, there's more info in hear than you can shake a stick at.

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?41690-Hot-Air-Solution-for

 

[Bob Denman]

I "here" what you're saying...
Are you going to rail from this safe vantage point, or become active in trying to promote a solution? :dontknow:
Bring together a group of folks who are experiencing what you are, and contact BRP en-masse... :thumbup:

 

[Jeriatric]

I "here" what you're saying...
Are you going to rail from this safe vantage point, or become active in trying to promote a solution? :dontknow:
Bring together a group of folks who are experiencing what you are, and contact BRP en-masse... :thumbup:

Since you ask. This all started out as a very innocent conversation in an unrelated post. A certain authority here without knowing a frigin thing about me, or where I live, decided he was going to take BRP's position - for them - and attempted to intimidate me into shutting up. Well, that does not work with me. However, people like that keep others from coming together, because most people don't want to, or don't have the time, to defend their posts and that keeps them from coming together.

That said, if you check the number of hits on the post I linked you to you will note it's over 10k in hits. That's not because I took a stand, or because I'm a good writer. It's because there is a major problem. To further prove my point. If it wasn't a problem there would be no need for companies to offer heat mods.

As for people in my area, or who ride in identical conditions. I can safely say that would be anyone between Phoenix Arizona and where I live. Then you could add to that certain areas of Texas and New Mexico. So no....it's not just me.

Hope this helps in getting you up to speed.

 

[Bob Denman]

Then I'm pretty certain that BRP would like some actual names and numbers... It's just like voting; the most numbers get the biggest piece of the pie.

And heat issues can affect just about any motorcycle. It can largely come down to how much heat the riders can stand, or what changes they can make to improve the issue.
A riding buddy of mine put less than 100 miles on his Tri-Glide this summer; he doesn't like heat, and his bike puts a ton of it right into the lap of the rider. :shocked:
So now that he lost the season; he's looking into what can be tinkered with to improve the bike.

 

[Jeriatric]

Then I'm pretty certain that BRP would like some actual names and numbers... It's just like voting; the most numbers get the biggest piece of the pie.

And heat issues can affect just about any motorcycle. It can largely come down to how much heat the riders can stand, or what changes they can make to improve the issue.
A riding buddy of mine put less than 100 miles on his Tri-Glide this summer; he doesn't like heat, and his bike puts a ton of it right into the lap of the rider. :shocked:
So now that he lost the season; he's looking into what can be tinkered with to improve the bike.

Bob, if you're really interested you should take the time to read - everything, links included - in the post I linked you to. It's all in there and if you want more links, just ask. I have cataloged a lot. :doorag: