Corrupt Cops

[bscrive]

I have heard about this happening in the US a couple of years ago. One poor guy got stopped in Texas with cash that he was going to use to buy a car and a gravestone car for his dying aunt. The cops seized $10000 from him and he had to get a lawyer to get it back. He did get the money back and sued them for more I believe.
This is nothing new and I think has been getting worst because the cops get to keep a large portion of it if the money is not claimed. With their budgets getting slashed more and more they see this as an income stream for them.

 

[SPYD3R]

bingo

Wrong. As Spyder riders we come into contact with law enforcement types daily. This piece is a warning that all police are to be viewed with suspicion, especially on traffic stops.

BINGO.... :clap:

 

[Bob Denman]

I don't care much for the, "presumption of guilt"... :shocked:

 

[robmorg]

The "I was just following orders" thingy didn't work out too well for Nazi concentration guards did it? Makes no difference what your elected representatives tell them to do - it it's wrong you don't have to do it. If you are a good moral person you will refuse to do wrong. What does this say about this bunch who laugh and brag about what they did?

...As Spyder riders we come into contact with law enforcement types daily. This piece is a warning that all police are to be viewed with suspicion, especially on traffic stops.

Wow!! You really think that all law enforcement offices are to be viewed with suspicion??? What an extraordinary point of view.

Police officers, by nature, are not usually humble people. And I will admit that there may be a few who operate at the outer fringes of the law, as the Washington Post story claims. There always have been and there probably always will be. But I surely wouldn't want to live in a place that didn't have them around. Nor would I want to live in a society that considers folks who risk their lives to stop drug traffickers from hurting children by putting drugs on the street to satisfy their own greed, as "immoral". Seems to me that point of view is a bit backwards. And if some cops want to brag a little on a restricted police web site about how much contraband and drug money they took off the street, well it may not seem like the "gentlemanly" thing to do, but I'm just not going to get all that upset about it.

 

[Bob Denman]

:agree: It takes a particular type of personality, to be able to jump into a situation, and take charge in about two seconds... :clap: :2thumbs:

 

[jaherbst]

:agree: It takes a particular type of personality, to be able to jump into a situation, and take charge in about two seconds... :clap: :2thumbs:

Yes and that is not the type of personality I prefer. That particular personality has a need for control right or wrong and usually over reacts. SWAT teams to take someone barricaded in their own home accompanied by armored vehicles, 50 officers, stun bombs, military equipment etc. In most cases it ends in a useless death because of the "personality".



If you ever had to deal with them on a personal serious basis you may see it differently.

Jack

 

[hulksdaddy]

There's a real easy fix to this...

DON'T put yourself in the position of being suspected drug dealer... :2thumbs:

After all; Necromongers get to keep, what they kill! :shocked:

Loved that movie! :thumbup:

 

[Oldmanzues]

Yes and that is not the type of personality I prefer. That particular personality has a need for control right or wrong and usually over reacts. SWAT teams to take someone barricaded in their own home accompanied by armored vehicles, 50 officers, stun bombs, military equipment etc. In most cases it ends in a useless death because of the "personality".



If you ever had to deal with them on a personal serious basis you may see it differently.

Jack

I have.

Most LEO are decent, nice men and women doing a needed job. A few are bad. It is departments more the inviduals doing the sieze money deals. The just disaobeying a order you feel is wrong, is a lot easyer to say then do. Are you totaly right ? Can you be fired or jailed for not doing it. Are you willing to go homeless after you are fired or jailed. You get the idea.
Oldmanzues

 

[mtdoragary]

There's corruption in everything. It's human nature. The large majority of LEO's are dedicated honest professionals. If you REALLY want to see large-scale corruption, look to unions and government!

 

[Oldmanzues]

Interesting item on AOL, right now, Same subject
Oldmanzues

 

[Dan_Ashley]

Has anybody actually checked to see if this "secret and encrypted" forum is actually real?

Perhaps Bigfoot is the moderator! :shocked:

I tried to find it. I failed.

 

[C3517C]

Wrong. As Spyder riders we come into contact with law enforcement types daily. This piece is a warning that all police are to be viewed with suspicion, especially on traffic stops.

Well there's the weak excuse I was certain was coming my way. "As Spyder riders we come into contact with law enforcement daily" ( so here's some highly insightful intelligence I've assembled to warn other Spyder riders about "corrupt cops"). Really, gee thanks.

Why not tell the truth, that would look like this. "I came across an article on the internet about why we should hate the police. Since I hate them also, I'll regurgitate it onto the internet to spread it around. Since I have no forum of my own, I'll slap it onto Spyderlovers and call it Corrupt Cops.

Well Thank You Sir for your investigative prowess, savvy legal skills, and shrewd intuition ! We'll all sleep better tonight knowing you are on the job to protect us from those sinister cops. I'm sure the local drug dealers will also be happy to know your out here doing their bidding, and keeping their business flowing without those cumbersome interruptions.

 

[Bob Denman]

...And that forum; hasn't been found...
Does it even exist?? :dontknow:

So If I were to post something like, "There's a secret and encrypted forum, down near D.C.n and it's recruiting members to try and discredit Law Enforcement Officers everywhere"; what would you say about it?

 

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

Don't condemn all police for the actions of a few but do deal with the few very harshly. Take their pensions, jail time,
fines equal to several years salary, permanent criminal record so as never to get another city or state job. If they
want to ruin our lives then that is what they deserve. If their union wants to defend them the let their union pay
the fines.

 

[robmorg]

...And that forum; hasn't been found...
Does it even exist?? :dontknow:

Bob, you have to read the Washington Post article for the details. (That Verge story is just worthless hype.) The Black Asphalt website is associated with the Desert Snow project. The article says that the forum and database website was supported by a sheriff's office in Oklahoma. Apparently, the support function has recently been transferred to another sheriffs office - Kane County, Illinois. Membership is only open to law enforcement people for obvious reasons. ( You wouldn't want drug traffickers to have access to the database.) See the link in the upper right section of this page... https://blackasphalt.org

According to the Washington Post story, Desert Snow is a legitimate operation that has been providing criminal and terrorist interdiction training to local, state, and federal law enforcement agencies for almost 25 years.

 

[bikeguy]

Are there corrupt cops around? I'm sure there are but I'm sure that the vast majority are honest folks who do a good job trying to keep us safe from the folks who aren't so honest and trustworthy. I know that the LEO's that I'm personally aquainted with are all fine people. But, to me, that's not the point of this thread. The point is that laws exist that allow personal property to be confiscated without any charges whatsoever. I expect that most of us have read articles in our own local newspapers where money, cars, boats, airplanes, and even real property have been confiscated by law enforcement agencies and no charges were ever filed against those from whom the property was confiscated. All that was needed was the suspicion that drug related activity was involved. Note that I said the property was confiscated by law enforcement agencies, not individual officers. There's no corruption involved. The property does not enrich the officers involved though it may be used/sold by the agencies to pay for more enforcement efforts.

But there's no need for me to worry about this activity is there? After all, I don't use drugs, never have, never will, and certainly am not involved in manufacturing, growing, transporting or selling them. Why should I worry?

Well, how about this? I just checked my billfold and I had three one hundred dollar bills in it. I don't always have a hundred dollar bill, though I try to keep a couple in case I need them but there have been times when, as someone mentioned earlier, that I've carried quite a few. Like going to buy a used Ford Excursion from someone who wouldn't accept anything but cash. I carried 110 one hundred dollar bills. Just the fact that I was carrying $11,000 in cash makes me a drug suspect and subject to having the money confiscated but take it a step further. Druggies don't write many checks, they deal in cash. What's the chance that one of those hundred dollar bills has been in a drug dealer's possession? And what's the chance that a drug sniffing dog would smell some kind of drug on it? For that matter, what's the chance that one of the three I'm carrying right now has been in contact with drugs? I don't know what the odds are but even 10 to 1 is too big a chance and I think, at least where I live, that the chance is greater than that. I don't worry at all about corrupt police officers. I think there are very few of them but I am genuinely concerned about laws that allow property to be confiscated without legal charges.

Cotton

 

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

Bikeguy, i agree with you but i do worry about bad cops, i have run into 2 in my 35 years of driving that have asked for bribes unfortunately it was when i was under 20 & at that age you don't press charges against a cop when it is
your word against his.
Nowadays i just run into the stupid ones every so often or the ones with the god complex. I do agree most are
good people, neighbors, friends & customers. i have one that has come to my store on call several times, i don't say
he is dirty but he is lazy and has a very serious attitude problem, enough so that i had to file a restraining order
against him stepping foot on my property except in emergency.
Every month we hear about on the news that someone who spent the last 20 or 30 years of their life in jail & dna
proves they are innocent. The arresting dt's usually have lied about circumstances surrounding the arrest and
interrogation. Those officers are the most heinous ones that can exist, to destroy someones life to protect the
mistakes they have made.
These cops are few and far between but they do exist and must be dealt with harshly when caught.

 

[missouriboy]

...Druggies don't write many checks, they deal in cash. What's the chance that one of (my) hundred dollar bills has been in a drug dealer's possession? And what's the chance that a drug sniffing dog would smell some kind of drug on it? For that matter, what's the chance that one of the three I'm carrying right now has been in contact with drugs? I don't know what the odds are but even 10 to 1 is too big a chance and I think, at least where I live, that the chance is greater than that. I don't worry at all about corrupt police officers. I think there are very few of them but I am genuinely concerned about laws that allow property to be confiscated without legal charges.

Cotton

I agree with you that property forfeiture without criminal charge is a deplorable mis-justice in our current legal system, but that's another topic.

Your concern about the tainted bills is not a worry any more, however. I can't cite any proof, but I know I once read where the courts have thrown out the use of tainted cash as evidence of criminal activity by the person carrying it. For once, they did the right and reasonable thing, by ruling that "currency circulates," therefore it's inadmissible as evidence of drug-dealing. You could have obtained it from an ATM five minutes before becoming suspected, right? So, not to worry about sniffed-out cash. Just don't be caught with any actual "drug paraphernalia" because that's what would be admissible evidence, not just the cash alone.

 

[Bob Denman]

So, not to worry about sniffed-out cash. Just don't be caught with any actual "drug paraphernalia" because that's what would be admissible evidence, not just the cash alone.

:agree: Live your life right, and you'll never have a prblem with Law-Enforcement folks! :2thumbs:

 

[robmorg]

Well, how about this? I just checked my billfold and I had three one hundred dollar bills in it. I don't always have a hundred dollar bill, though I try to keep a couple in case I need them but there have been times when, as someone mentioned earlier, that I've carried quite a few. Like going to buy a used Ford Excursion from someone who wouldn't accept anything but cash. I carried 110 one hundred dollar bills. Just the fact that I was carrying $11,000 in cash makes me a drug suspect and subject to having the money confiscated. ...I am genuinely concerned about laws that allow property to be confiscated without legal charges.

Cotton

Unless it's a cop that's stealing money for personal gain (and it's hard to imagine that), then I don't see the concern about money being confiscated with absolutely no evidence of contraband. Not even the Washington Post expose' story said that was happening. If they find drug related contraband in your car, then you'll probably lose your cash too, even BEFORE you get charged. It's a reasonable way to get drug money off the street.

I agree with Bob. No one is going to be confiscating cash unless there is a reasonable suspicion that you are trafficking or selling drugs. And in order to have a reasonable suspicion, they would have to find something besides the cash itself.

Now, if you have a friend, who thinks it would be a fun to stash a kilo of coke, or a package of marijuana in your trunk when you're not looking, ...well then you may have a problem.