Continuing DESS Issue?

[Lew L]

Good for you …… Did you move it to a different location ???? ….. Yep Skiing is still about a month away for this area ….. there was visible snow on the top of the mountains I go to tho :clap::clap::clap:...……… Mike hyea:

Mike, I put it back in the stock location. Vibration is an electronic killer. The Rubber mounts isolate the little black box which sits right in front of the motor.

Lew L

 

[Spyderjuice]

I have an RT 2014. I had the DESS error and shutdown. The dealer tec did replace it without taking off the trunk. I still had the problem after the new module. I solved the problem by having the DESS disconnected or bypassed. No problems since. I don't know of any dealers that will do that for you. There are after market and suppliers with BUDS that can do it. I am told there are 7 computers talking to each other to make things run properly. I now have only 6 talking to each other. Solved my problem and no problems since.

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

I have an RT 2014. I had the DESS error and shutdown. The dealer tec did replace it without taking off the trunk. I still had the problem after the new module. I solved the problem by having the DESS disconnected or bypassed. No problems since. I don't know of any dealers that will do that for you. There are after market and suppliers with BUDS that can do it. I am told there are 7 computers talking to each other to make things run properly. I now have only 6 talking to each other. Solved my problem and no problems since.

Really - it was re-placed and that one failed also ….. I would bet a lot of money that - IT WAS NEVER RE-PLACED - If they re-placed something - it wasn't the DESS module ….. There are sequencing techniques that can be used to get past a Module failure. I know this because I used them when mine failed and wouldn't re-start..... I have No reason to lie to you on this …. however your Dealer can't say the same thing.... glad you got it canceled , I did mine too ….. Mike hyea:

 

[larryd]

It would be really nice if we had a list of everyone that can supply the service of turning off the DESS...I only know of 2 places to get this service done...One in TX and the other in NY...

I watched mine being deactivated...A quick and easy task for those with the advanced BUDS system...

This DESS issue has been ongoing since 2014...And a real PIA for those of us that had it happen multiple times...

So any suggestions on how to compile a list???

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

:agree:, mine has already been done ( Thank you Joel in N.Y. ) and I hope any members on this Forum who has the ability to do this will chime in …… Mike hyea:

 

[Sparky2014]

Mike,
Had reoccurring DESS warning, then last fall it completely shut down under power. Now it turns over but won’t fire. DESS has not reappeared in all my attempts to restart, feel like it might have completely died. Any idea what to expect when the DESS mod goes completely belly up? Changed gas filter and checked fuel flow, thought it might be a fuel problem, but seems ok. Even changed fuel out just in case, didn’t make a difference. DESS message should have shown by now and hasn’t, it was very frequent .

 

[Woodaddict]

DESS is the security system to start. If you had trouble before, your likely to still have the problem without the message. DESS will not allow spyder to even start, without the key code to be correct, or even if communication between key and DESS module is not working cause of the antenna problem

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Mike,
Had reoccurring DESS warning, then last fall it completely shut down under power. Now it turns over but won’t fire. DESS has not reappeared in all my attempts to restart, feel like it might have completely died. Any idea what to expect when the DESS mod goes completely belly up? Changed gas filter and checked fuel flow, thought it might be a fuel problem, but seems ok. Even changed fuel out just in case, didn’t make a difference. DESS message should have shown by now and hasn’t, it was very frequent .

The WHY the DESS message is not showing is a mystery to me also. ... What I do know is .... the computer cannot fix itself ..... The DESS module USUALLY doesn't stop working entirely the first time it appears ( but it can ). .... When mine failed at Spyderfest 2015 I was leading a ride and about 125 mi. from Springfield.... I was not very familiar with this issue but got REALLY lucky, Two warnings later I was back in Springfield near " PitBull " when it failed again ( #3 ). After a phone call, I got it re-started and to the Dealer... BRP Techs can armed with quite a number of Modules and I got one of them :clap:..... Mike :thumbup:..... I have read EVERY thread that had anything to do with the DESS issue ..... What I learned is BRP -CHANGED the module in 2014 and that's when it became an issue .... were there more than one vendor supplying them ??? .... it continued into 2015 .... then slowed down in 2016 ...... not many in 17,18 and I don't remember it being an issue beyond then ..... It's easy to re-place - ( about #140.00 ) once you get the Frunk off .....Mike :thumbup:

 

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

Mike,
Had reoccurring DESS warning, then last fall it completely shut down under power. Now it turns over but won’t fire.

If it cranks, it is not a DESS problem.

 

[cptjam]

I did one last month. 6 bolts, loosen the air intake snorkel clamp. Lift off the frame hanger, set on a dolly or something. Pull forward a few inches. Unplug, R/R DESS. A finger full of goop or lanolin on the snorkel boot, slips right on! Bolt up!

 

[cptjam]

Pictures:


Picture 1 is where it is, picture 2 is snorkel on right, picture 3 is the DESS module. We took the headlights out, but you don’t have to. Just happened to swap in LED bulbs. Fog lights are much easier this way! Joe

 

[Sparky2014]

Hey BlueKnight,

Have had a severe DESS problem and before got it turned off the Spyder shut down under power, had to trailer it home. Checked fuel system, filter etc., as it felt like a fuel problem. It turns fine but won’t fire. Only thing I’ve notices different is, I have not gotten any more DESS error messages, with multiple tries at restarts. Doesn’t want to fire. Feel as though maybe DESS finally gave it up completely and is holding me hostage. Do you know how I can expect the 2014 Spyder RT to behave when the DESS module goes completely belly up? Have someone later this spring to turn it off. Now with it maybe gone completely do you know if my MEGATECH friend be able to access it and shut it down, maybe clear it to run again?
Thanks!
Sparky2014

 

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

Have had a severe DESS problem and before got it turned off the Spyder shut down under power,

The engine shutting down under power is not a DESS problem. Once the engine starts cranking over the DESS has no input into its operation. In fact, when the DESS is active you can start the engine with a non-chip key in the ignition with a chip key next to it. Once the engine has started you can take away the chip key and everything operates normally until the next time you need to start it. Let me reiterate. Your engine not firing is NOT a DESS related problem.

Edit: I need to change my comment about taking the chip key away. As soon as the normal display comes up on the screen you can take the chip key away even before you start the engine. As long as the ignition is not turned off the chip key is not needed to keep running. You can turn the engine off with the kill switch and restart it. All the DESS does is tells the ECM a valid key has been presented to the system. Everything is golden after that.

 

[skip]

i just put the lastest d.e.s.s module on my 14 rt , so far all's good

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Hey BlueKnight,

Have had a severe DESS problem and before got it turned off the Spyder shut down under power, had to trailer it home. Checked fuel system, filter etc., as it felt like a fuel problem. It turns fine but won’t fire. Only thing I’ve notices different is, I have not gotten any more DESS error messages, with multiple tries at restarts. Doesn’t want to fire. Feel as though maybe DESS finally gave it up completely and is holding me hostage. Do you know how I can expect the 2014 Spyder RT to behave when the DESS module goes completely belly up? Have someone later this spring to turn it off. Now with it maybe gone completely do you know if my MEGATECH friend be able to access it and shut it down, maybe clear it to run again?
Thanks!
Sparky2014

Hey Sparky, From everything I've read in this Forum ( and it's EVERY post / thread ) If you have a DESS module failure, it will Display "DESS Failure " on an ORANGE screen. As IMS said it doesn't sound like your big issue is the DESS module..( maybe not at all ) .. Diagnosing is difficult using this Keyboard. ..... I hope you get it worked out ..... Mike :thumbup:

 

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Hey BlueKnight,

Have had a severe DESS problem and before got it turned off the Spyder shut down under power, had to trailer it home. Checked fuel system, filter etc., as it felt like a fuel problem. It turns fine but won’t fire. Only thing I’ve notices different is, I have not gotten any more DESS error messages, with multiple tries at restarts. Doesn’t want to fire. Feel as though maybe DESS finally gave it up completely and is holding me hostage. Do you know how I can expect the 2014 Spyder RT to behave when the DESS module goes completely belly up? Have someone later this spring to turn it off. Now with it maybe gone completely do you know if my MEGATECH friend be able to access it and shut it down, maybe clear it to run again?
Thanks!
Sparky2014

I PM'd you on this .... however for others ... my understanding of the DESS module , is that it's only Active during the START procedure . Once the Bike is running it does not occur ..... When My DESS was Failing ( on a ride during Spyderfest 2015 ) ... I got the " orange screen of Death " ... three times .... But this occurred while I was trying to START the Spyder ( after stopping ) .... and didn't occur again until I stopped and shut the motor off.... Luckily for me I was able to clear the Death code and got it back to" Pitbull "....Then the BRP Tech's changed out the module ( only that, not the ignition switch ) ...... good luck ... Mike :thumbup: