Cat Bypass Installed (with Photos & Sound Clips)

[PaladinLV]

Yes have I SEEN the smog in China as well as over 100 other cities around the world.
I have also seen it in LA which gee wiz they have emissions equipment!
It's funny when presented with facts - they become "weasel words". When presented with FACTS you go on the offensive like it was a personal attack!
Next you bring politics into the mix!
Then you act like you were personally branded.
Sounds like you have a "PROBLEM! and buddy, you have no CLUE what I've seen in my life, where I've been, or what I've done.
I served this country for 23 years. I've been spat on, called names, seen horrendous things, and taken all kinds of crap in my service to this country so don't even go there.
For your information, Harley Dealers are constantly removing the standard pipes which contain CAT devices and replacing headers and mufflers. So much for your statement "(A dealer who does modifications has a greater chance of getting caught and has much more to lose.)"

BTW I like wasting my time replying especially when people say it will be a waste of time!

If "it all depends what, is is" can make it thru the courts, I'm not worried.
You should worry more about your own life and stop trying to force your views and opinions on others.
You have the absolute RIGHT to your OPINION but so does everyone else.

AJ

I shouldn't reply to this because it is obvious that your mind is made up and no amount of facts will convince you otherwise.

But:

Emissions testing is not the same thing as tampering with emissions equipment.

There is no emissions testing where i live. It is still illegal to tamper with emissions equipment.

You can weasel-word the definition of a primary muffler versus a catalytic converter and play all sorts of games. That "creative thinking" will be laughed at in court.

What are the chances of getting caught? Probably very low. (A dealer who does modifications has a greater chance of getting caught and has much more to lose.)

However, all that said, how about the real reason we have emission gear on our vehicles: Clean air?

Have you seen the smog in China? No regulation there. No rules. Every man for himself.

A lot of older (baby boomer generation) people rant and rave about "federal interference" in their lives. Without regulation we'd still have 4 grams of lead in each gallon of gas. People don't self regulate because people (in general) are greedy and care for the moment, not the future.

We are supposed to be good stewards of the Earth.

You can reply to this and call me a hippie or a liberal or whatever you want. I've seen what mankind does when lawlessness is the norm. Most likely you haven't. It isn't pretty.

Instead of thinking of "me" (Better sound? Better mileage? Less heat? Whatever else a cat removal does?) think about your children and their children.

I won't reply to this thread any more so save yourself the trouble of replying.

In all seriousness, I wish you a good day.

 

[GeoffCee]

...However, all that said, how about the real reason we have emission gear on our vehicles: Clean air?

Have you seen the smog in China? No regulation there. No rules. Every man for himself.

China has a highly regulated and repressed Communist society, so "no rules" and "every man for himself" couldn't be further from the truth. Have you seen the smog in LA on a bad day?

 

[CoolSpyder2014]

Pollution control?

Say you drive your v twin 998 motorcycle to work. How much fuel on average do you burn in 1 hour? and how much pollution is created by that burn?
These are rhetorical question's.
The amount in the BIG picture is microscopic.
Look at a Jet liner, How much fuel does one of these burn in 1 hour? 100-1000's of gallon, and where is the pollution control there. or on most power plants or factories.
The EPA and the government can make all kinds of excuses, of why the put controls on cars, but the fact is, they are in bed with the oil and auto companies.
Put pollution quote-unquote equipment on vehicles, and what happens to the fuel consumption, it goes up to overcome the back pressure and pollutant put back into the engine. hence more money for oil companies because they sell more fuel, and more money for the auto industry because they get kick backs from the government and more money from you because they are selling you more part then is needed. It has been proven that high performance engine's, such for racing, not only makes more power, but burns fuel cleaner then your government approved pollution controlled vehicle.
So they need to change the focus, how about instead of the extra equipment, they make the engines perform better, they could be smaller, yielding the same power we get now, but burn much less fuel and with a cleaner burn? And hence, then where would they get all that extra money they have grown accustom too?
Makes you think, Just how free are we?

 

[DJ51]

I had the Lamonster bypass put on my Spyder right off after seeing a CAT that Pitbull had cut open. Its nothing but piece of metal with a baffel in it from what I saw. Nothing in it that resembled a catalytic converter. Looks like all it does is muffle the sound some and hold heat. BRP lists it as a Primary Muffler in their parts list. I like the sound better and gives me one or two more mpg.

 

[robmorg]

I shouldn't reply to this because it is obvious that your mind is made up and no amount of facts will convince you otherwise.

But:

Emissions testing is not the same thing as tampering with emissions equipment.

There is no emissions testing where i live. It is still illegal to tamper with emissions equipment.

You can weasel-word the definition of a primary muffler versus a catalytic converter and play all sorts of games. That "creative thinking" will be laughed at in court.

What are the chances of getting caught? Probably very low. (A dealer who does modifications has a greater chance of getting caught and has much more to lose.)

However, all that said, how about the real reason we have emission gear on our vehicles: Clean air?

Have you seen the smog in China? No regulation there. No rules. Every man for himself.

A lot of older (baby boomer generation) people rant and rave about "federal interference" in their lives. Without regulation we'd still have 4 grams of lead in each gallon of gas. People don't self regulate because people (in general) are greedy and care for the moment, not the future.

We are supposed to be good stewards of the Earth.

You can reply to this and call me a hippie or a liberal or whatever you want. I've seen what mankind does when lawlessness is the norm. Most likely you haven't. It isn't pretty.

Instead of thinking of "me" (Better sound? Better mileage? Less heat? Whatever else a cat removal does?) think about your children and their children.

I won't reply to this thread any more so save yourself the trouble of replying.

In all seriousness, I wish you a good day.

I'll grant you that some federal regulation is a good thing. But in recent years the feds have, more often than not, taken regulation to extremes, often causing more actual net harm than good. Enough said about that.

For me, the decision to remove the cat was purely a safety decision. (Other benefits were entirely secondary to safety.) Before the recall was done on my 2013 RT, I simply did not want to die in a fire as a result of boiling gasoline overflowing the evap system.

But just so you know, I also acted responsibly with an environmentally neutral impact in mind. At the time I removed the cat, I also pledged to eat more beef, reasoning that the methane emissions from just one farting cow, was doing more damage to the planet than the emissions from my Spyder. It's a well known fact that flatulating livestock is the largest source of methane gas emissions worldwide, contributing over 28% of total emissions. (I have, by the way, honored my pledge.)

This may not be true for SpyderAnn (who's RT actually burned in a fire, but thankfully she was uninjured), since she puts a LOT more miles on her Spyder than I do.

 

[robmorg]

Rob, by any chance do you have any side picture of the primary muffler and the bypass?
I would like to see how high the inlet pipes are..
If so, can you post them here or send to my email [email protected].
Thanks
Robbie

Sorry, I do not. The only pictures I have are those in the first post of this thread. Just going by memory, I'd say that the primary muffler is about 8-10" from the base of it to the top of the higher inlet. There's more clearance under the bypass pipe.

 

[CoolSpyder2014]

cat bypass confusion

well,
I finally got around to taking my spyder apart to put the PitBull Cat bypass on , and after I removed the cat, I found interesting info on the bottom of it. It is not a catalytic convertor, it is for the reduction of sound emissions. Nothing in it saves the environment from anything coming out of the engine except a few decibels of sounds. So the environment is no more endangered by its removal. in fact hauling around a few less pounds might save fuel, not much but overtime it adds up, get everyone to replace it, and we could be making a big difference.

 

[DrewNJ]

well,
I finally got around to taking my spyder apart to put the PitBull Cat bypass on , and after I removed the cat, I found interesting info on the bottom of it. It is not a catalytic convertor, it is for the reduction of sound emissions. Nothing in it saves the environment from anything coming out of the engine except a few decibels of sounds. So the environment is no more endangered by its removal. in fact hauling around a few less pounds might save fuel, not much but overtime it adds up, get everyone to replace it, and we could be making a big difference.

Did you happen to take any picks of the inside once you cut it open?

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[SpyderCruiser]

well,
I finally got around to taking my spyder apart to put the PitBull Cat bypass on , and after I removed the cat, I found interesting info on the bottom of it. It is not a catalytic convertor, it is for the reduction of sound emissions. Nothing in it saves the environment from anything coming out of the engine except a few decibels of sounds. So the environment is no more endangered by its removal. in fact hauling around a few less pounds might save fuel, not much but overtime it adds up, get everyone to replace it, and we could be making a big difference.

That is not what this page from the manual says.

 

[robmorg]

well,
I finally got around to taking my spyder apart to put the PitBull Cat bypass on , and after I removed the cat, I found interesting info on the bottom of it. It is not a catalytic convertor, it is for the reduction of sound emissions. Nothing in it saves the environment from anything coming out of the engine except a few decibels of sounds. So the environment is no more endangered by its removal. in fact hauling around a few less pounds might save fuel, not much but overtime it adds up, get everyone to replace it, and we could be making a big difference.

It does have some baffling in it. BRP manuals refer to it as both the "primary muffler" AND as the "catalytic converter". I'm curious about your post. Could you please explain more fully the "Interesting info" you found that lead you to beleave that it does NOT also perform the function of a catalytic converter?

 

[SteveP]

What's it made of?

Just wondering if anyone knows what the "catalytic converter " is made of on the Spyders ? In the cutaway photo is there any type of honeycomb grid made of catalyst material to break up the chemicals ? What's the structure of the box made of ... platinum , palidium etc .? Just wondering if there is new technology being used to break down the gases instead of the typical systems ?

 

[CoolSpyder2014]

this is the info I reference too. No I did not cut mine open, I will reinstall it before I trade the bike in on a new one.

 

[robmorg]

CoolSpyder, thanks for the reply. I can see why you came to the conclusion that you did. The jury is still out, however, on whether or not that unit ALSO performs the same function as a catalytic converter. It sure would be interesting if someone DID cut one apart to find out. I, for one, would be curious to know for sure. (However not so curious as to actually cut mine apart. I don't ever intend to re-install mine, but I will give it away with the bike if I ever sell it or trade it in.)

 

[WRTFLYR]

I have been lurking on this forum for over a month now, since I bought my 2016 RT Limited. :yes: Went in to Ride Now Peoria to buy a Slingshot and drove out on a Spyder! I couldn't be happier . As a 30 year Harley rider the only thing I really missed was the exhaust music! After reading all the advice on this forum I knew I had to rectify that longing! So on went the cat bypass and a TwoBrothers exhaust muffler! She now sings! As far as dealer help with the install, no problem at Ride Now Peoria! So hear a short clip of what she sounds like! Cheers Jim. :yes:

 

[robmorg]

Nice sound. Have to say... It DOES sound more like a Harley now. You've got that RTL very nicely farkled.

Couldn't help but also notice this. Do you own that Interplane Skyboy experimental pusher? THAT is downright beautiful. :thumbup:

Oh, and... :welcome:

 

[DrewNJ]

Nice sound. Have to say... It DOES sound more like a Harley now.

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[WRTFLYR]

......
Couldn't help but also notice this. Do you own that Interplane Skyboy experimental pusher? THAT is downright beautiful. :thumbup:

Oh, and... :welcome:

Yes, it's a 2003 that I am in the process of getting airworthy! Cheers Jim:cheers:

 

[trikermutha]

I have been lurking on this forum for over a month now, since I bought my 2016 RT Limited. :yes: Went in to Ride Now Peoria to buy a Slingshot and drove out on a Spyder! I couldn't be happier . As a 30 year Harley rider the only thing I really missed was the exhaust music! After reading all the advice on this forum I knew I had to rectify that longing! So on went the cat bypass and a TwoBrothers exhaust muffler! She now sings! As far as dealer help with the install, no problem at Ride Now Peoria! So hear a short clip of what she sounds like! Cheers Jim. :yes:

What are you thoughts on the Slingshot versus the Spyder??

 

[WRTFLYR]

I have to admit that I have not actually driven the Slingshot! But when my wife and I went to purchase one they had a white Limited that we both sat in and went over very carefully! We both felt that we were in a 3 wheel car that was cheaply made. From the very beginning I was not impressed with the fit and finish of the Slingshot. At this point I was thinking maybe I just need to convert my Harley to a 3 wheeler, then I decided to just walk across the showroom and sit on a RT Limited they had! I immediately felt like I was on a motorcycle and quality of the RT was night and day better! So I went home with the RT Limited and so far so good! Cheers Jim:thumbup:

 

[trikermutha]

I have to admit that I have not actually driven the Slingshot! But when my wife and I went to purchase one they had a white Limited that we both sat in and went over very carefully! We both felt that we were in a 3 wheel car that was cheaply made. From the very beginning I was not impressed with the fit and finish of the Slingshot. At this point I was thinking maybe I just need to convert my Harley to a 3 wheeler, then I decided to just walk across the showroom and sit on a RT Limited they had! I immediately felt like I was on a motorcycle and quality of the RT was night and day better! So I went home with the RT Limited and so far so good! Cheers Jim:thumbup:

Thanks for the Slingshot info..

I went from a TRIGLIDE to A Spyder and have no regrets.
Much smoother and less Maint than the Harley.
A lot less Heat than the Harley..