Can I just disconnect the under Seat switch on my 2022 RTL?

[Pooch]

One easy thing for her to try is..
When entering a curve press your foot down firmly on the outside foot board.
I.e… when turning left, press down on the right foot board and vice-versa.
This will help her maintain a proper riding position without her feeling like she has to struggle to stay on the seat.
Additionally, she might try using her knees to squeeze with and hold her body in a more stable position.
This advice is also for the driver… works great…. I learned this when I bought my Gold Wing trike years ago.

One experience I had was another rider’s wife found her pillion seat to be extremely uncomfortable after 2-3 hours riding.
They asked if she could ride my pillion seat for the ride home.. since I had the only available pillion seat. I have to say I have never been so uncomfortable with a passenger.. EVER …. this woman swayed side-to-side on the straightaways and forward onto me in the very slow curves. The swaying side-to-side made me constantly trying to hold the bike in the road. That was odd as I don’t have that swaying when its just me riding alone.
She was slumping so far forward that my arms were bent hard from her pushing me forward…and I had a Utopia back rest between us.
I felt I was nearly lying on the handlebars. Plus, lifting my foot to get it onto the brake was a huge effort.. I was that pushed forward. I hollered over my shoulder for her to hang onto the grab bars which I think she did do but she made no effort to control the rest of her body. When the group finally stopped I asked her if she was rested enough to go back to her husband’s pillion seat and thankfully she said yes. WHEW! My arms were toast and I was worn out after that ride.

 

[EdMat]

Some might want to watch a few Coach Bob and Coach Vic utube vids. She is paralyzed from the waist down and enjoys her time on the back of a Spyder.

 

[canamjhb]

I have had many pillion riders over the years, mostly on 2 wheels. It's important to provide instructions and expectations, even for experienced riders. Perhaps you might have come from 2 wheels??? Riding pillion on 2 is VERY different than on a Spyder. When I had a pillion rider on 2, I instructed them to not wiggle around or lean. Let me do the leaning. If they feel the need to look around me in corners, to do so around my inside shoulder. The very worst pillion rider I ever experienced was the time I took a fellow experienced rider 125 miles to a dealer to pick up his new bike. He kept trying to "ride the bike" from the pillion. He just could not sit still!

The Spyder is completely different. It does require more rider participation to perform it's best. I think Peter's advice is right on. If your wife is sitting still because she may be used to being a 2-wheel pillion rider, giving here some (gentle) instruction about the differences may help. And, who knows, maybe she will like being more involved in the riding experience. Good luck..... Jim

 

[SLICE]

OK the MTV button blocker has been installed and I got the wife out for a 135 mile ride. OH MY WORD what a difference not having the nanny shut me down and every street corner or red light turn or on ramp to the interstate.

Here in Florida when it's your turn to go you GO or risk being run over:yikes: (seriously) I have never visited or lived in a state with such aggressive drivers. Every traffic light is a drag race to the next one. I seldom take the trike on the interstate because I don't want to ride at 80 + MPH like I do in the car.

135 miles today and my wife did not get launched into me once nor did she shut of the cruise control by fidgeting around in her seat.

If this button blocker was $50- I would have bought it, it is well worth every penny.

now here's a CAVEAT, this IS NOT for EVERYBODY. I am a super aggressive rider and after decades of riding my wife is use to my style of riding whether I was on my sport bike's or my touring Harley's or this spYder we both are tuned into each other.

Again this is not for everyone chose wisely. YYMV.

Stephan.

PS I just put up a video of my reaction to the button blocker on my YT channel
@asmallsliceofamerica

 

[Jetfixer]

On the RT there is a switch on the bottom of the back seat. I know they make a cap that covers that switch. Can I just disconnect it and then the Nanny will not know when we ride 2 up?

Sure you can. But I'd bounce that one off your insurance agent first if I was you.

 

[SLICE]

Sure you can. But I'd bounce that one off your insurance agent first if I was you.

If that's the case Y'all better tell the insurance companies your running car tires and not the ones recommended by BRP Can Am.

Adding the button blocker is no different that adding a cold air intake or doing a primary muffler delete or adding a custom tune to the ECU or exhaust or any other modification to the trike/car/truck/SUV/motorcycle/jeep you or the bank owns.

 

[CloverHillCrawler]

if anyone else has a corbin on a F3 did the switch stop working after installing it?

Mine has never detected 2 up and it has a little circle cut out filled with foam where the switch sits into on the pan. It came from corbin like this.

And if you are familiar with a corbin you have to move the seat latch to a new position in order for it to work.

 

[ahh-cool]

Time to leave her home alone or get a new wife. If she is going to ride on the Spyder, then what Peter says is what she needs to do.

I can't she knows where the bodies are buried.

 

[ahh-cool]

When I got my bike, the first thing I found was I didn't like all of the body roll the bike had in the corners, that was the first thing that had to go! I got a BajaRon bar, what a difference it made. But it was not the total package, my front end still wasn't right, it felt soft and not connected to the road, so I adjusted my shocks to the top, because that's all you could do with the piece of crap shocks that came on a 2012 RTL at the time, it helped a little more but still wasn't right. Got a set of aftermarket shocks from Elka, oh yea that was just what the doctor ordered. And now I am waiting to put the icing on the cake, as soon as the front tires wear out, with a set of car tires. Things have changed a little from 2012, but some things haven't, they still like to not give us a real good suspension under our bikes, and we have to tweak them to fit our way of riding. You drive different than me, so really only you can decide how far down the rabbit hole you need to go. But what I can say is, you're heading the right way in my book, do one step at a time and ride it a while to give it a chance. You still haven't told us what year you're riding, so it hard to tell what you may need from here, but you will see a change with the bar!!! :thumbup:

I'm riding a 2022 RTL. I had a 2012 and then a 2018.
On my 2012 I replaced the shocks with a higher pound spring and it was a much better ride. I don't remember the pressure of the spring but I think it was a 175 pound, but I could be wrong. It rode much higher and more responsive.

 

[ahh-cool]

But of course, the FIRST-best way to reduce the chances of a riding incident while riding 2-up is for you as the rider/pilot/operator to take your pillion passenger's comfort and safety into account and ride accordingly, even if it means you need to slow down a little &/or go easier on your cornering! :lecturef_smilie: These Spyders are really great for that tho, cos they have more stopping power and better stability thru the corners, so you can still ride reasonably spiritedly in the straight bits, then brake for the corners, maybe earlier or possibly a bit later but harder; steer your way thru the corner at a slower speed without too much concern for loss of traction or comfort etc due to the extra stability provided by 3 Wheels, especially if the surface isn't ideal; and then get on the gas earlier going out - so effectively you can ride as hard or harder on the straights, only end up doing all your cornering gentler for your pillion passenger's comfort, but you spend less time braking & off the gas than just about anything else on the road could do trying the same thing, and that way you can maintain a fairly good 'average speed' while still looking after your pillion.... Mind you, all the earlier or harder braking to slow down a bit more than you would otherwise followed by quickly getting on the gas again, quite likely sooner & maybe a little harder in order to get back up to speed may well cut into your fuel economy a fair bit, cos your best fuel economy will be achieved by minimising any of that sorta thing and aiming to smoothly maintain the best speed you can while keeping your engine revs in the guts of its most efficient Rev range in the highest gear you can pull for the given road speed...

So there's your choices - either your pillion becomes more involved & thereby possibly more comfortable/less concerned about the reduced forces acting to throw her off during cornering too; or you adjust your riding style to cater for her need for slower cornering. Either way it's a bit of a trade-off for someone isn't it!

Good Luck! :cheers:

That's pretty much the way I ride now. We just did a 300 mile ride yesterday and a 100 mile ride today and that is basically how I always do it

 

[Jetfixer]

If that's the case Y'all better tell the insurance companies your running car tires and not the ones recommended by BRP Can Am.

Adding the button blocker is no different that adding a cold air intake or doing a primary muffler delete or adding a custom tune to the ECU or exhaust or any other modification to the trike/car/truck/SUV/motorcycle/jeep you or the bank owns.

There's a huge difference between intentionally bypassing designed in safety systems and modifying other subsystems that don't directly affect safety. Intake mods, muffler mods, custom tunes, etc., do not directly affect or bypass safety systems. As to the tires, the stock Kendas ARE indeed car tires as defined by the DOT "J" wheel specification, which the Spyder has, and is actually molded into the sidewall of every Kenda tire mounted on Spyders. If you look closely at your sidewalls, you'll see the statement that these tires are ONLY to be used on "J" rim wheels, which again, are car wheels, not motorcycle wheels. The pillion rider switch signals to the Spyder computers that a passenger is present. This signal modifies numerous conditions, not the least of which are the VSS system and the ABS system.

 

[SLICE]

There's a huge difference between intentionally bypassing designed in safety systems and modifying other subsystems that don't directly affect safety. Intake mods, muffler mods, custom tunes, etc., do not directly affect or bypass safety systems. As to the tires, the stock Kendas ARE indeed car tires as defined by the DOT "J" wheel specification, which the Spyder has, and is actually molded into the sidewall of every Kenda tire mounted on Spyders. If you look closely at your sidewalls, you'll see the statement that these tires are ONLY to be used on "J" rim wheels, which again, are car wheels, not motorcycle wheels. The pillion rider switch signals to the Spyder computers that a passenger is present. This signal modifies numerous conditions, not the least of which are the VSS system and the ABS system.

I'm glad you feel that way, I for one do not need the government safety police interfering with MY ride.

I for one know how to ride without all the safety police BS. Heck I owned a Kawasaki H2 for 7 years and I'm still here.

 

[Peter Aawen]

I'm glad you feel that way, I for one do not need the government safety police interfering with MY ride.

I for one know how to ride without all the safety police BS. Heck I owned a Kawasaki H2 for 7 years and I'm still here.

I dunno that it's actually 'the gub'mint' Safety Police, Slice?! Not that I object to it too much now my ECU has been Upgraded & after the other mods I've done, but I believe this Passenger Sensor/Switch thing under the Pillion seat is a BRP/Can-Am imposition/innovation that's been designed & installed by Can-Am, probably at the behest of their legal team, on the assumption that if they didn't rein you in a bit (or a whole freakin' lot! ) then you might just enjoy yourself on your Spyder!! :gaah:

It's pretty much the same with the restricted power output that's all we are permitted to wring from our factory spec Spyder/Ryker engine tunes - these very same engines that in other applications &/or motorbikes are putting out almost TWICE the power, but heaven forbid that Spyder/Ryker owners get access to THAT MUCH power :shocked: We might hurt ourselves, and apparently someone at BRP doesn't want the slightest risk of that happening! :yikes:

And to all those who believe that the reason for the power restriction is something to do with satisfying on-road emission rules, then how the heck do the 'other' motorcycles that use these same engines on the road get away with letting their owners access so much more power then?? :dontknow: How come they too aren't as molly-coddled & restricted as we are?? :banghead:

Good thing there ARE some talented a/mkt modifiers & engine tuners/ECU Upgrade Guru's out there! Even better that I found one! hyea:

 

[Jetfixer]

 

[SLICE]

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I still say it's dangerous when I'm accelerating up an on ramp and it cuts off power( left hand turns are the worst at intersections ) and my wife slams head slams into the back of my head.

Maybe you'd have a different outlook if you've come close to being rear-ended by a lifted pick-up truck or any other vehicle.

I've said it before here in Florida you go or get run over.

You keep your safety equipment in tact and I'll disable all of mine to make MY ride suite me.