Buying used - 2015 Spyder F3-S - is this milage/usage a concern?

[Mikey]

Get a phone number and just talk to him, I know it's a novel thing these days to just talk to a person.:dontknow:

 

[delkhouri]

I'd guess neither of those, instead, he's probably just being computer/internet savvy! After all, he doesn't know you from Adam, and a Vehicle VIN is a powerful tool, especially if in the hands of an unscrupulous person! :bdh: Check out the Warning Sticky here:

https://www.spyderlovers.com/forums...l-ID-or-Sensitive-details-on-the-Public-Pages!

and maybe work with him to try and find a way of getting that report you want without trying to force him to divulge information that, in his mind at this stage, could well see him ending up being ripped off! And don't think it doesn't happen - it DOES . It's even happened to Members here who didn't take that Warning in the Spyder General Discussion sub-forum &/or the Warning in the READ FIRST! Sticky in the For Sale by Owner sub-forum seriously so they divulged info they really shouldn't have!! :gaah: Thankfully, not many Members have been caught out, & AFAIK no-one has reported being ripped off for a lot of money, but it DOES HAPPEN IF YOU AREN'T CAREFUL - and it sounds like your seller juuust might be being careful & smart... :dontknow:

Maybe I am just being naive here and I am definitely not trying to be argumentative, but what can someone do with a vin other than check service history and recalls etc. Bank info sure keep that private but a vin?

 

[Sarge707]

If they won't give the vin I would be suspicious? You are the one spending the $$. If they don't want your money then tough.

 

[Peter Aawen]

Maybe I am just being naive here and I am definitely not trying to be argumentative, but what can someone do with a vin other than check service history and recalls etc. Bank info sure keep that private but a vin?

They can do all sorts of things with a VIN, especially if they have any other info - like the sort of things they may have gleaned off an Ad &/or social media sites or other parts of the internet!! After all, you already know a lot about that Spyder you're looking at, don't you?? Surely you know the manufacturing year, the make & model, the colour, etc, don't you?? :dontknow:

Heck, as stand-alone info, it might seem useless you at first glance, but it's not too hard to find out that one of the fellas looking at that Spyder had an old Peterson lighter that fairly recently quit working on them, and they were surprised with the gift of an IM Corona Old Boy lighter by a bunch of friends as a replacement; and that same potential buyer also likes pipe smoking and really enjoys SG FVF and Rattrays Marlin flake tobacco - all info that might appear to seemingly useless and un-related, but nevertheless, it could prove to be valuable to someone who could be trying to pull a swifty &/or rip people off! The crims even have 'dark-web sites' that gather and sell just that sort of seemingly useless info; as well as sites that match it all up to the person concerned in order to see if there's anything they own/have that's worth ripping off! :sour:

So, even if you disregard the lighter & tobacco info (or possibly, especially if you disregard that info! ) given all the info that the World likely knows already/has access to about that Spyder, AND a VIN too, a criminal type could do all sorts of things - in fact, if said crim happened to either work in &/or if they don't but they've found someone a bit unscrupulous who does work in a DMV (maybe not even in the same State!) who is prepared to take a bit of cash to ask no questions and push thru some dubious paperwork; it's not such a big stretch to think that they could 'clone' or 'steal' the apparent ownership of that vehicle on the strength of the VIN & other info they've gathered without ever actually having the vehicle in their possession; then they could saaayyyy..... start pulling robberies, racking up tickets, unpaid tolls fees etc. that could eventually all be traced back & charged to the real owner; or maybe they might falsify some paperwork showing them buying that vehicle so that at some stage down track, the THE REAL OWNER ends up being charged with the theft of their own vehicle, causing the vehicle to be 'repossessed' &/or impounded until the ownership/responsibility for all the criminal acts that vehicle has been involved in get resolved!! :shocked:

Sure, that sorta thing shouldn't happen, but there are crims & criminal organisations out there who spend every waking moment working out all sorts of innovative ways to do things just like that - And it's my understanding that pretty much exactly that ^ scenario outlined above HAS happened over in your part of the World, resulting in the 'real owners' having to prove in court that it REALLY WAS their vehicle, and that all the fines, unpaid tolls etc racked up by the falsely identified vehicle weren't their responsibility, and that it was the other 'owner & registration' was the dodgy one!! :banghead:

So the fella selling that Spyder is likely following the advice their local authorities give out to try and minimise theft &/or scams during the private selling of any motor vehicles, and YOU asking for unique identifiers of the vehicle they are selling in the way you have, even before you've committed to buying, might be ringing all sorts of alarms, possibly even getting reported as an attempted scam &/or theft! nojoke

 

[delkhouri]

They can do all sorts of things with a VIN, especially if they have any other info - like the sort of things they may have gleaned off an Ad &/or social media sites or other parts of the internet!! After all, you already know a lot about that Spyder you're looking at, don't you?? Surely you know the manufacturing year, the make & model, the colour, etc, don't you?? :dontknow:

Heck, as stand-alone info, it might seem useless you at first glance, but it's not too hard to find out that one of the fellas looking at that Spyder had an old Peterson lighter that fairly recently quit working on them, and they were surprised with the gift of an IM Corona Old Boy lighter by a bunch of friends as a replacement; and that same potential buyer also likes pipe smoking and really enjoys SG FVF and Rattrays Marlin flake tobacco - all info that might appear to seemingly useless and un-related, but nevertheless, it could prove to be valuable to someone who could be trying to pull a swifty &/or rip people off! The crims even have 'dark-web sites' that gather and sell just that sort of seemingly useless info; as well as sites that match it all up to the person concerned in order to see if there's anything they own/have that's worth ripping off! :sour:

So, even if you disregard the lighter & tobacco info (or possibly, especially if you disregard that info! ) given all the info that the World likely knows already/has access to about that Spyder, AND a VIN too, a criminal type could do all sorts of things - in fact, if said crim happened to either work in &/or if they don't but they've found someone a bit unscrupulous who does work in a DMV (maybe not even in the same State!) who is prepared to take a bit of cash to ask no questions and push thru some dubious paperwork; it's not such a big stretch to think that they could 'clone' or 'steal' the apparent ownership of that vehicle on the strength of the VIN & other info they've gathered without ever actually having the vehicle in their possession; then they could saaayyyy..... start pulling robberies, racking up tickets, unpaid tolls fees etc. that could eventually all be traced back & charged to the real owner; or maybe they might falsify some paperwork showing them buying that vehicle so that at some stage down track, the THE REAL OWNER ends up being charged with the theft of their own vehicle, causing the vehicle to be 'repossessed' &/or impounded until the ownership/responsibility for all the criminal acts that vehicle has been involved in get resolved!! :shocked:

Sure, that sorta thing shouldn't happen, but there are crims & criminal organisations out there who spend every waking moment working out all sorts of innovative ways to do things just like that - And it's my understanding that pretty much exactly that ^ scenario outlined above HAS happened over in your part of the World, resulting in the 'real owners' having to prove in court that it REALLY WAS their vehicle, and that all the fines, unpaid tolls etc racked up by the falsely identified vehicle weren't their responsibility, and that it was the other 'owner & registration' was the dodgy one!! :banghead:

So the fella selling that Spyder is likely following the advice their local authorities give out to try and minimise theft &/or scams during the private selling of any motor vehicles, and YOU asking for unique identifiers of the vehicle they are selling in the way you have, even before you've committed to buying, might be ringing all sorts of alarms, possibly even getting reported as an attempted scam &/or theft! nojoke

The bank owns the vehicle, there is a payoff, yes he is making the payments but that bank has the title. Also, every dealership out there will post the vin for all cars and motorcycles. I am just saying, I can't check history of the spyder and I can't get a loan without a vin. And without those two things I CAN"T be a buyer. Time to move on.

 

[Cobranut]

I bought my 2015 F3S in Oct. 2024. I found it on FB Marketplace for $8k.
It had 9700 miles, near perfect condition, and ran fine on the test drive.
Also had documentation of the front pulley recall being done, a nice F4 windshield and BRP removable backrest, and a newer AGM battery that had been kept on a battery minder.
The only thing it needed was tires. I've been very happy with it so far, at 11,700 miles now.

 

[Mikey]

I bought my 2015 F3S in Oct. 2024. I found it on FB Marketplace for $8k.
It had 9700 miles, near perfect condition, and ran fine on the test drive.
Also had documentation of the front pulley recall being done, a nice F4 windshield and BRP removable backrest, and a newer AGM battery that had been kept on a battery minder.
The only thing it needed was tires. I've been very happy with it so far, at 11,700 miles now.

I believe this one has been put to bed! Last post Sept 5th

 

[Mrwikaa]

That is a pretty good deal.

 

[poprivit]

I've got a 2015 F3-S with 13k on it that I'm considering selling. It's had the pulley recall done by Proshop Motorshop in Henderson, NV last year. New rear tire, oil change, and a service. My wife died recently, and I've just rolled over 80, with the accompanying medical problems.
My question is what price range would you experts place it in? I'm going to a cardiologist next week, and I'll decide after what he says.

 

[CopperSpyder]

I've got a 2015 F3-S with 13k on it that I'm considering selling. It's had the pulley recall done by Proshop Motorshop in Henderson, NV last year. New rear tire, oil change, and a service. My wife died recently, and I've just rolled over 80, with the accompanying medical problems.
My question is what price range would you experts place it in? I'm going to a cardiologist next week, and I'll decide after what he says.

Depends on area and condition of spyder, 10,000 to 12,000. I have seen them as low as 8,000 (people that were looking for just a quick sale).

 

[Cobranut]

If it's clean and no damage, I'd start in the $10k range.

I found my nearly immaculate, 9600 mile 2015 last fall for $8k, but I think I just got lucky.