Bullying

[Bob Denman]

:shocked: This may end up yielding some entirely new theories about human development... :clap: :2thumbs:


:joke::joke::joke:

 

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

Very educational commercial, point being if it doesn't effect 'YOU' or cost 'YOU' money people don't care. it takes not just adults
but other kids to make a difference in something like that.

Very valid comment, I would say. But when someone who is not directly affected does take a stand on an issue, they often face repercussions, right? Oops, did I just say what I think I said? Seems like that has been the center of discussion elsewhere here recently.

 

[UtahPete]

Very valid comment, I would say. But when someone who is not directly affected does take a stand on an issue, they often face repercussions, right? Oops, did I just say what I think I said? Seems like that has been the center of discussion elsewhere here recently.

That to me is the definition of courage - to act selflessly, realizing that no good deed goes unpunished.

 

[Peteoz]

I removed it. Thanks.

You didn’t quite remove it, Pete .......it’s been quoted elsewhere

Pete

 

[JerryB]

Hi Idaho,

Re: But when someone who is not directly affected does take a stand on an issue, they often face repercussions, right?

Earlier this summer, three people stepped up to help a couple of young women on our lightrail system here in Portland, Oregon. Two of them were killed by the bully and a third was seriously injured.

It's terrible that it happened but sometimes one just has to do the right thing.

Jerry Baumchen

 

[ARtraveler]

:shocked: If anybody needs me... I'll be in my safe space: hugging my puppy, and drinking hot cocoa! View attachment 154817

Now why didn't I think of that? Should I have a peppermint patty, a blackberry brandy, or one of each. No dog, but I will give the princess her usual cuddle.

 

[wyliec]

Now why didn't I think of that? Should I have a peppermint patty, a blackberry brandy, or one of each. No dog, but I will give the princess her usual cuddle.

Peppermint patties, doesn’t get any better than that.

 

[cmbspyderrss]

It has been written by a few above and all were correct no matter how it was written.

As stated, my belief is that first it comes from the Parents teaching their kids to think about the situation, read body language and make a decision. The decision may be right or wrong not knowing the entire facts or fully understanding what is really happening but the fact that you made a decision in which 90% of the populous won't. You simply can't learn if you just sit there.

Being picked on / bullied or whatever you term it comes at the earliest stages of life because children have no real understanding of right or wrong. Kids should by being taught start the deescalation of the bullying. Numbers count and if one starts it then the others will follow because there is usually only one JA leading the heard. As parents whether it is your child or not should/need to step in if it can't be resolved by the kids trying to deescalate the situation. Whether you are a Kid or an adult we all learn by doing and observing.

Change will come in the term of the "Snowball" effect. The first time a teacher, parent, adult, kid, coworker, brother, sister or the like stands tall and makes the bully regret s/he was being a DS is the last time you will hear about someone be "Bullied".

 

[UtahPete]

It has been written by a few above and all were correct no matter how it was written.

As stated, my belief is that first it comes from the Parents teaching their kids to think about the situation, read body language and make a decision. The decision may be right or wrong not knowing the entire facts or fully understanding what is really happening but the fact that you made a decision in which 90% of the populous won't. You simply can't learn if you just sit there.

Being picked on / bullied or whatever you term it comes at the earliest stages of life because children have no real understanding of right or wrong. Kids should by being taught start the deescalation of the bullying. Numbers count and if one starts it then the others will follow because there is usually only one JA leading the heard. As parents whether it is your child or not should/need to step in if it can't be resolved by the kids trying to deescalate the situation. Whether you are a Kid or an adult we all learn by doing and observing.

Change will come in the term of the "Snowball" effect. The first time a teacher, parent, adult, kid, coworker, brother, sister or the like stands tall and makes the bully regret s/he was being a DS is the last time you will hear about someone be "Bullied".

That's all well and good, but it doesn't solve the problem for the bully's victim(s), does it? When any of us see bullying happening, we as responsible citizens, need to step in and protect the victim. When that happens consistently, then the damaging effects of bullying will be mitigated. Just wishing for better parents isn't going to solve anything.

 

[Bob Denman]

Peppermint party?
That reminded me of something I just heard:
Peppermint oil is a fantastic mouse, chipmunk, and bug repellant... :2thumbs:
(Since it's getting close to storage time, for some riders.)

 

[MRH]

laying it on a little heavy aren't you?

(Referring to Utah Pete's post:

Apparently, you don't understand what bullying can entail. Or, you don't care. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume the former. So, here's a little lesson ......

From your spelling and grammar, I would guess that you spent more time in the schoolyard than the classroom. Let me correct your statement for you, since you seem incapable of doing so yourself;

"Agree so wholeheartedly. They're spoiled and coddled by their parents instead of sticking up for themselves. Bunch of pussies."

You're an uneducated dolt, aren't you? I don't know how an idiot like you can even function in modern society.)


No, he wasn't laying it on heavy at all - any small amount of embarrassment felt here is slight in comparison to what a kid who goes to school in fear of physical assault every day would feel, and they don't have the option to simply leave the board to to ignore a member.

If you are really bothered by this, then how would you cope, as a CHILD, with the daily (and very real) fear of being physically assaulted by multiple people, all of which are larger than you are? Were your wife (or husband), attacked on their way home from work, I can't imagine that you would suggest they simply learn karate to defend themselves, or not be upset when the punishment was that the perpetrators simply had to spend a few days off of work (with pay).

Assuming you can see my case that physical assault really isn't ok, then perhaps you can imagine your spouse being subjected to constant insults, teasing, and other harassment at work, and coming home miserable every day (without the option to simply get another job, or to have no job at all).

There is nothing wrong with people being made to feel uncomfortable because they are being challenged, we've wimped out on the category, and that's a very bad thing. We don't even have to be nice to each other, but there is a place to draw a line at permitting assault or allowing children (or those in power) over us to use words for the sole purpose of destruction. Yes, I believe in free speech as a citizen of this country, but I also believe that those of us who are adults should draw lines about what is civilly permitted in those places under which we have domain.

For anybody here who can imagine getting a finger from a guy on a Harley because our bikes aren't quite as cool (and they really aren't, just face it), then try to imagine what it might be like to experience that every time you ride, and every time you pass another motorcyclist, and then add the very real possibility that they periodically group up, and beat the living **** out of you just because they don't like your bike. (And, not you can't just stop riding or trade in your bike.)

Oh, and it isn't you that's happening to, it's your kid, your wife, your mother, or somebody else that you really love.

"Laying in on heavy", with a few notes about grammar and calling you a dolt, you're complaining about the threat of a stubbed toe to a guy in a foxhole under active fire - his post didn't even touch on what it really feels like to be bullied, and look how quickly you complained about it!

 

[Bob Denman]

So what's the alternative? :dontknow:

 

[2dogs]

For whatever reason.....

Maybe because of genetics or some other reason, I've never responded well to being bullied or having any of my family or friends bullied. I don't even respond well to being in the presents of someone else being bullied. After being unable to solve the immediate bullying issue by simply walking away and ignore the bullying, the problems then begin. As a result on occasions over my life time I've suffered both physically and financially, but I've never gone to jail.

 

[UtahPete]

So what's the alternative? :dontknow: View attachment 154844View attachment 154844View attachment 154844

I think we start by acknowledging it is happening in all walks of life and in many forms. It is a problem in our society and to minimize it, deny it, excuse it or blame the victim just makes things worse. That's what brought out my fighting spirit in this thread, is the many suggestions that, if bullying happens, it's up to the victim to defend themselves. That is just plain wrong and can't be allowed to go unchallenged.

 

[Bob Denman]

There's Bullying, and then there's bullying...
There's also a HUGE "victim mentality" out there; it drives me nuts! :gaah:
Are you being "Cyber-Bullies"?
:lecturef_smilie: Turn off your damn computer! Go outside, and find the sumbitch. Then: smack the idiot in the mouth!
End of problem.

 

[UtahPete]

There's Bullying, and then there's bullying... There's also a HUGE "victim mentality" out there; it drives me nuts! :gaah: Are you being "Cyber-Bullies"? :lecturef_smilie: Turn off your damn computer! Go outside, and find the sumbitch. Then: smack the idiot in the mouth! End of problem.

We're not all that macho, Bob. And, I don't think that would have worked for the women who have been and are still being bullied in the workplace by men, or for the child in the video posted by the OP.

 

[UtahPete]

From one idiot to another ADULT NOT DOLT

Nope, dolt.

www.dictionary.com/browse/dolt

Dolt definition, a dull, stupid person; blockhead.

 

[bmccaffrey]

laying it on a little heavy aren't you?

(Referring to Utah Pete's post:

Apparently, you don't understand what bullying can entail. Or, you don't care. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume the former. So, here's a little lesson ......

From your spelling and grammar, I would guess that you spent more time in the schoolyard than the classroom. Let me correct your statement for you, since you seem incapable of doing so yourself;

"Agree so wholeheartedly. They're spoiled and coddled by their parents instead of sticking up for themselves. Bunch of pussies."

You're an uneducated dolt, aren't you? I don't know how an idiot like you can even function in modern society.)

No, he wasn't laying it on heavy at all - any small amount of embarrassment felt here is slight in comparison to what a kid who goes to school in fear of physical assault every day would feel, and they don't have the option to simply leave the board to to ignore a member.

If you are really bothered by this, then how would you cope, as a CHILD, with the daily (and very real) fear of being physically assaulted by multiple people, all of which are larger than you are? Were your wife (or husband), attacked on their way home from work, I can't imagine that you would suggest they simply learn karate to defend themselves, or not be upset when the punishment was that the perpetrators simply had to spend a few days off of work (with pay).

Assuming you can see my case that physical assault really isn't ok, then perhaps you can imagine your spouse being subjected to constant insults, teasing, and other harassment at work, and coming home miserable every day (without the option to simply get another job, or to have no job at all).

There is nothing wrong with people being made to feel uncomfortable because they are being challenged, we've wimped out on the category, and that's a very bad thing. We don't even have to be nice to each other, but there is a place to draw a line at permitting assault or allowing children (or those in power) over us to use words for the sole purpose of destruction. Yes, I believe in free speech as a citizen of this country, but I also believe that those of us who are adults should draw lines about what is civilly permitted in those places under which we have domain.

For anybody here who can imagine getting a finger from a guy on a Harley because our bikes aren't quite as cool (and they really aren't, just face it), then try to imagine what it might be like to experience that every time you ride, and every time you pass another motorcyclist, and then add the very real possibility that they periodically group up, and beat the living **** out of you just because they don't like your bike. (And, not you can't just stop riding or trade in your bike.)

Oh, and it isn't you that's happening to, it's your kid, your wife, your mother, or somebody else that you really love.

"Laying in on heavy", with a few notes about grammar and calling you a dolt, you're complaining about the threat of a stubbed toe to a guy in a foxhole under active fire - his post didn't even touch on what it really feels like to be bullied, and look how quickly you complained about it!

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Thanks for your grammar lesson. Thanks for your service . I spent my 6 yrs in the military. Thanks for the idiot comment to:roflblack::roflblack:

 

[UtahPete]

You're an uneducated dolt, aren't you? I don't know how an idiot like you can even function in modern society.)

Thanks for your grammar lesson. Thanks for your service . I spent my 6 yrs in the military. Thanks for the idiot comment to:roflblack::roflblack:

You're welcome. Thank you for your service; I spent 10 years, after which I got an advanced (6 year) education. Not that any of this is relevant.

 

[bmccaffrey]

You're welcome. Thank you for your service; I spent 10 years, after which I got an advanced (6 year) education. Not that any of this is relevant.

At least we agree on something which is good. All my school of hard knocks put me in a position of general manager. Which i will be retiring shortly.

Maybe we will meet someday:2thumbs: