buell - engine for the new RT ??

[NancysToy]

In this post you you ask what do we want from another engine, power?, why? I take it saying we are stupid for wanting more power, My other 3 wheeler has an 6280cc engine with over 450hp, still not enough. I'm not much younger than you (61) and I come from the HOT ROD generation were we put Chevy V8's in MG's, where we would blow engines up one weekend to build another and be back on the street the next weekend. Not particularly in this post but in others, you seem to want to tell us what we need. Nobody but me can tell me that. If you don't seek speed and power, and your Spyder has enough I'm fine with that. I can never have enough. State your own opinion, but don't question and put mine down

Please don't read between the lines. That certainly wasn't said in this post. No reason to personally attack another member here that merely expressed an opinion. There's room for all of us here.

BTW, mine was a Chevy V-8 in a Bug-eyed Sprite.

 

[chris56]

I plan to ride an RT next season - could not really test it till now (hope the next days..) - but
max 100 mls per hour !! (160kmh) .. not enough for here (in europe) - if i use the "autobahn" i do 110 or so - its also a question of the image..
lets read the first comparison-tests with goldwing/BMW-LT aso
you will see that everyone will write .. the engine does not fit to the weight/outfit/price and marketplace...of the RT
BRP is the 100% owner of the ROTAX-Factory - my idea was that they have this 1125 engine finished - nobody needs that now - the price & size/ gearbox is around the same - why not build it in the new RT...
also if there are only 10% more torque ( HP-doesn`t matter to me) it would be easier to sell it on the side of "our" GS-spyder..
but don`t know how fast they could do that..
chris

 

[BRPjunkie]

Anyone who really wants to power up should try to find one of the nine Dodge Tomahawks sold through Nieman Marcus a few years back. Only $550,000 then. Technically not a motorcycle due to 4 wheel design and therefore legally can't be ridden on the road. V-10, 500 hp, 525 lb-ft torque, 0 - 60 2.5 sec, 1,500 lbs. Reportedly a theoretical top speed of 400 mph. That should be enough power for most anyone.

 

[dltang]

Anyone who really wants to power up should try to find one of the nine Dodge Tomahawks sold through Nieman Marcus a few years back. Only $550,000 then. Technically not a motorcycle due to 4 wheel design and therefore legally can't be ridden on the road. V-10, 500 hp, 525 lb-ft torque, 0 - 60 2.5 sec, 1,500 lbs. Reportedly a theoretical top speed of 400 mph. That should be enough power for most anyone.

Here you go

 

[Director]

Pull a trailer, ride two-up, go faster or just because !!!!!!!:2thumbs:

I think it was Aristotle Onassis who said, "You can never be Too Tan, Too Rich or Too Thin."
I don't know about that, but I would say, "You can never have too much horsepower!" :clap:

Bruce

 

[3wheeldemon]

I have reviewed my post. Who did I bash and how?

Is the badass look of your avatar:

If you read the same post looking at:

sounds perfectly fine! :roflblack:

3WD

 

[DannyS]

Hay I resemble that remark. Be nice or I'll sic Pippi on you and she'll lick you until you say uncle. :roflblack:

 

[rotorhead]

first post!!

I'm a Buell rider and have 55,000 miles on mine. I'm drawn to the Spyder the same way I was drawn to Buell. Over the top engineering!!!! and company that stands behind what it sells. I do not own a Spyder and need some convincing. My wife the accountant also. Buell and BRP have alot in comon dealer network, service/parts support, "new" to the market, not everyone drives one(very appealing), truely dedicated owners. The current Buell situation cautions me to buy a BRP. I know BRP had bussiness/divison splits in it's past. Is the Spyder a design that will continue to grow?

Back to this thread, In the deal of Buell being discontinued HD had to pay Rotax for the remainder of the contract ($100M ball park). The 1125 was built/designed for production under the designs set forth from Buell not HD. So there could be a possability to use the engine once all the dust settles from the Buell shutdown. If anyone follows Eric Buell at all he will take his ideas and be building bikes by spring somewhere. Possibly back in his old barn he started from if he has to.

I've driven the Spyder a few times and enjoyed it. I was more impressed driving it in rain and cold for a 1/2 hour than dry conditions. Low end torque would sell me right now if it had some (and a hand brake). The 1125 engine is a low down torque monster. It's not a speed motor. Buell won it's Championship this year through the corners and corner exit (torque area). Think motor, not speed or the bike it is currently mounted in. The RT casssis would be perfect for this motor!!!! worth saying twice. The RT casssis would be perfect for this motor!!!! If traveling 2 up and a full trailer I see the need to get out of it's own way becoming a nessecity!

 

[chris56]

I'm a Buell rider and have 55,000 miles on mine. I'm drawn to the Spyder the same way I was drawn to Buell. Over the top engineering!!!! and company that stands behind what it sells. I do not own a Spyder and need some convincing. My wife the accountant also. Buell and BRP have alot in comon dealer network, service/parts support, "new" to the market, not everyone drives one(very appealing), truely dedicated owners. The current Buell situation cautions me to buy a BRP. I know BRP had bussiness/divison splits in it's past. Is the Spyder a design that will continue to grow?

Back to this thread, In the deal of Buell being discontinued HD had to pay Rotax for the remainder of the contract ($100M ball park). The 1125 was built/designed for production under the designs set forth from Buell not HD. So there could be a possability to use the engine once all the dust settles from the Buell shutdown. If anyone follows Eric Buell at all he will take his ideas and be building bikes by spring somewhere. Possibly back in his old barn he started from if he has to.

I've driven the Spyder a few times and enjoyed it. I was more impressed driving it in rain and cold for a 1/2 hour than dry conditions. Low end torque would sell me right now if it had some (and a hand brake). The 1125 engine is a low down torque monster. It's not a speed motor. Buell won it's Championship this year through the corners and corner exit (torque area). Think motor, not speed or the bike it is currently mounted in. The RT casssis would be perfect for this motor!!!! worth saying twice. The RT casssis would be perfect for this motor!!!! If traveling 2 up and a full trailer I see the need to get out of it's own way becoming a nessecity!

..on the other side - to use an ex-harley-engine - on a "new" spyder-model - could stop some discussion ..also here in the forum
chris (rotax forever)

 

[Director]

..on the other side - to use an ex-harley-engine - on a "new" spyder-model - could stop some discussion ..also here in the forum
chris (rotax forever)

But Chris, the 1125 engine he is talking about is a Rotax, not a Harley. :dontknow:

Bruce

 

[Questions]

But Chris, the 1125 engine he is talking about is a Rotax, not a Harley. :dontknow:

Bruce

While Buell is dead (RIP) the 1125 was developed by Rotax for Buell and Harley Davidson, and there is an exclusive agreement between the parties without regard to the death of Buell. That motor will not find its way into any other application unless it has Harley on the tank.
Not to mention it is NOT a torque monster, its has a GREAT!!! top end rush but would need a complete detune and recam to be driveable in an RT.

Mr. Dutchman.

 

[NancysToy]

While Buell is dead (RIP) the 1125 was developed by Rotax for Buell and Harley Davidson, and there is an exclusive agreement between the parties without regard to the death of Buell. That motor will not find its way into any other application unless it has Harley on the tank.
Not to mention it is NOT a torque monster, its has a GREAT!!! top end rsu but would need a complete detune and recam to be driveable in an RT.

Mr. Dutchman.

:agree:

 

[chris56]

But Chris, the 1125 engine he is talking about is a Rotax, not a Harley. :dontknow:

Bruce

hi bruce .. i know that ..if you look on there webside - they do in the moment only three 2-cylinder (and 2x1cylinder..) - the BMW-800 / the spyder and the 1125/ buell - which seems to be canceld now from HD..
http://www.rotax.com/en/Engine/2004/Motorcycle/Engine.Models.htm
my idea .. if all that just "lie about" - but don`t know what agreement they have done .. shure a lot of money was invested in that engine
chris

 

[JP58]

Acording to the engines you show. Does the 990 spyder have a 6 speed trans.

 

[BRPjunkie]

Acording to the engines you show. Does the 990 spyder have a 6 speed trans.

The 990 does have a six speed gearbox. In the Aprilla it is six forward speeds. In the Spyder, five are forward and one gets used for reverse.

 

[JP58]

Thanks. I was thought it was a 5 speed.

 

[mickc]

Buell, a terrible loss to motorcycle riders

I test rode a pre introduction 95 Buell S2 when Eric himself was introducing the bike in the Holiday Inn in De Land Fl. The biike was about 15G's and it shook like crazy. I must have enjoyed that bike, cause in '97 I bought the same colored S2 that I demoed, used with 1200 miles and still have it to this day. Never to sell. Yes its a shaker and it only has 75 Hp, but what a great ride. Lots of parts available, simple to work on and a great looker. 5 years ago I had a violent accident while going to Alaska, and lost my left leg. The Buell now has a Velorex side car and cl9ose to 30,000 miles of troubl free ride. I certainly hope we have not see the last of ERIC BUELL. Mickc