BRP wiring problems

[Magic Man]

We have found several Spyders that BRP has the color code backwards for the directional lights.

Our own Spyder has the right front directional wired backwards with the black wire being the hot wire not the ground yet the left side is wired correctly. We have also had a few customers find the same situation, with bjt being one of them, and bjt is an electrictan who definitely know what is up with wiring!

This reversal does not cause a problem with the stock incandescent bulbs as they are not polarity sensitive. However, any electronics or LED units used in these locations are indeed polarity sensitive, and this reversal can cause problems with these units.

Just now we had Matt at Kewl Metal report that his left rear directional wires were reversed as well, with the black wire from the main harness being the hot wire rather than ground and the grey wire being the ground which is reversed from how it should be.

So..

If any of you are adding any additional lighting to your Spyder, we would definitely suggest you take the small bit of extra time with a test light to confirm the power and ground of the wires are not reversed. Unfortunately we are now seeing it is more wide spread than we thought and not that "luck" just had of our own Spyder wired backwards.

This problems we have found are in the wires coming out of the main harness of the bike, and are not just that the factory had the lights plugged in backwards.

MM

 

[ataDude]

Interesting. I thought I was going crazy a couple of weeks ago when doing my accessories wiring. :bigthumbsup:

Now, MM, where is my black/silver Micron. Geez, I ordered it three days ago... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

We have found several Spyders that BRP has the color code backwards for the directional lights.

Our own Spyder has the right front directional wired backwards with the black wire being the hot wire not the ground yet the left side is wired correctly. We have also had a few customers find the same situation, with bjt being one of them, and bjt is an electrictan who definitely know what is up with wiring for sure.

Just now we had Matt at Kewl Metal report that his left rear directional wires were reversed as well, with the black wire from the main harness being the hot wire rather than ground and the grey wire being the ground which is reversed from how it should be.

So..

If any of you are adding any additional lighting to your Spyder, we would definitely suggest you take the small bit of extra time with a test light to confirm the power and ground of the wires are not reversed. Unfortunately we are now seeing it is more wide spread than we thought and not that "luck" just had of our own Spyder wired backwards.

This problem is in the wires coming out of the main harness of the bike and is not just that the factory had the lights plugged in backwards on the directionals.

MM

 

[Magic Man]

Interesting. I thought I was going crazy a couple of weeks ago when doing my accessories wiring. :bigthumbsup:

Now, MM, where is my black/silver Micron. Geez, I ordered it three days ago... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Came in today as I said it would, and is already on it's way to you! Thanks for the order!

MM

 

[Mad Matt]

Magic Man spent his morning on the phone with me de bugging my Spyder wiring issue. That was after over nighting me a replacement triple play. And it turns out the issue was a mis-wired Spyder, both triple play units worked perfectly! Thanks MM for your above and beyond support! SO the lesson here is like MM said, double check polarity on your rear turn signals with a test light just to be sure.

Mad Matt

 

[AMTJIM]

So...are you saying where the wiring breaks out of whatever circuit it originates from is soldered in or tapped down backwards? Or the final destination has been swapped?

 

[Magic Man]

So...are you saying where the wiring breaks out of whatever circuit it originates from is soldered in or tapped down backwards? Or the final destination has been swapped?

We have found the actual main harness looks to be made backwards with the black wires being the hot wires not the ground. Where these wires originate from is not seen as they disappear into the main harness? So at what point the switch was made is unclear. However where the connections are at these harness points has the color code inconsistent.

So, it seems like somewhere the BRP people have got their wires crossed both figuratively and literally. ;D

MM

 

[ataDude]

Came in today as I said it would, and is already on it's way to you! Thanks for the order!

MM

You're the man! Thanks. Can't wait! :bigthumbsup:

 

[rkteck]

MM,

Do you think this may have been part of the problem with the 1st triple play unit you sent to me? I guess since the 2nd one worked, it probably is a unit malfunction. Let me know if you want me to try and install the 1st TP unit in my other Spyder to see if I have the same turn signal problem.

Rex

 

[bjt]

Too bad I didn't know about this before going to The Homecoming. I definitely would have brought it up and pressed them for a response. My guess is that it's a quality control issue with one of their suppliers. Because the stock lights aren't polarity dependant, they probably weren't even aware they had a problem. Or they aren't aware that they have a problem. Maybe they don't even consider it a problem. :dontknow: I would hope that they learn of and correct the wiring issue as proper color codes for wires can go a long way to helping eliminate or troubleshoot problems.

Magic Man, have you contacted BRP about this? If not, I may try to bring this up to them on some channel like the SpyderRyder forum, the Spyder team, etc. Not too sure where to go but, the more I think about it, the more I think they need to prevent their harnesses from being miswired or misconnected.

 

[Lamonster]

Magic Man spent his morning on the phone with me de bugging my Spyder wiring issue. That was after over nighting me a replacement triple play. And it turns out the issue was a mis-wired Spyder, both triple play units worked perfectly! Thanks MM for your above and beyond support! SO the lesson here is like MM said, double check polarity on your rear turn signals with a test light just to be sure.

Mad Matt

He just took care of you because you were a friend of mine. ;D :joke:

 

[Magic Man]

MM,

Do you think this may have been part of the problem with the 1st triple play unit you sent to me? I guess since the 2nd one worked, it probably is a unit malfunction. Let me know if you want me to try and install the 1st TP unit in my other Spyder to see if I have the same turn signal problem.

Rex

Rex,
You can but no need to. Just send it back and I'll bench test it here and see just what's up with it.

MM

 

[hollylmh]

I had a wiring problem from day one which the key would not turn the ignition on. After several shop visits [about 2 months worth], swapping control units, ignition, relays, etc -- BRP replaced my entire wiring harness! 6 weeks and 2000 miles later, there has not been any recurrence!! The harness was sent back to CN, I don't know if anything was found or not. But is sure is nice to put the key in and have it turn "on".

hollylmh
Yellow 444
4500+ miles
factory riser, 'bussa can, mirror extensions, mirror spots, throttle paddle, Gustaffson 30" shield, top box