jroberts650
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Just wondering if anyone here has tried putting a roller from Roadster Renovation on a BRP idler arm?
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BRP idler with RR roller?
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Why? .....unless you have the BRP idler already installed.
I have the BRP idler with 17,000 trouble free miles.
If you dont trust BRP then try Docs with his double bearing design.
If you going to buy Docs then buy the whole outfit from him.
Roadster Renovations
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Actually, we won't just sell the roller. You have to have our Vibration Damper to order a replacement roller. We check every roller order.
This are very specifically put together and that is why they are lasting as long as they are. We initially explored the possibility and decided that it would not be a safe thing to do.
jroberts650
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I have emailed Doc about this but he didn't think it would work. It's not that I don't trust the BRP, I've had mine on for a few 1000 miles but I've been hearing a lot of horror stories of the roller tearing up. I was just mainly wanting to change the roller if it would fit due to the double bearing being a better design. I just have a hard time justifiying $200+ for another idler.
nslowmotion
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Idler
Go with Doc's, his is MUCH, MUCH, MUCH better:bowdown:
Go with Doc's, his is MUCH, MUCH, MUCH better:bowdown:
jroberts650
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Actually, you do have the roller for sale separately on your website. One with and one without the orings for the ribbed belt.
IdahoMtnSpyder
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jroberts650
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Seriously?! Why would he only sell the roller if you have his idler?
IdahoMtnSpyder
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He's a small time operator in the world of manufacturing. It's the best way to limit his warranty and legal liability. It's designed and built as a tightly integrated unit. He also locates the roller farther back than BRP does with a longer idler arm. He doesn't want there to be any risk of his roller running up into the gas tank.
jroberts650
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I understand that but what difference does it make what I do with it if I just buy the roller? I could be using it for anything just like anyone could use the idler for any custom application.
I'll see what Doc says about selling it to me without his idler and if he doesn't it will be his loss. I'll just keep what I have and take it off if it ever fails. The idler application is for annoyance and aggravation of the belt vibrating. It's not a safety aspect or defect of the machine. I don't have to have it, just thought I would ask if anyone has tried a conversion to make the BRP better.
Roadster Renovations
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All told, we have had about a dozen folks want to do what you are doing and we just can't do it. Here is a video showing how (and why) ours can not be modified to work in the way you want to do it. We have spent a lot of time and money into making this product and each part is integral with the other. It is put together so that there is just the bare minimum side load on the bearings.
https://www.roadsterrenovations.info/how-to-videos
Scroll down to Harmonic Damper Pulley Replacement and Torquing.
JayBros
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Put yourself in Doc's shoes. You sell a product you designed to work as a complete assembly. A prospective buyer wants to buy a part of your product to use on application the buyer himself has designed. In this litigious world would you run the risk of making the sale of your component part and perhaps subject yourself to at a minimum being bad mouthed because your component didn't work the way the buyer wanted even though his use of it was not what your design intended? At worst, would you want to subject yourself to being sued for something that went wrong with a component that failed in the buyers use of it when it was designed to be used only in the manner intended on the complete assembly you sell. Sure, you might not bad mouth Doc if his roller didn't work on a BRP assembly, or sue him if his roller caused something catastrophic on your Spyder, but there are, in all reality some people out there who would sue. Why should he take the risk?
jroberts650
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Maybe to gain a customer? But that's his decision. I like to custom design my parts too when it's possible. That's what makes everyone's ride unique. But if he won't sell the roller just because I haven't bought the $200 kit, I'll just do without. Like I said the problem is the vibration is an annoyance, not a safety issue. I can live without it.
Buckeye Bleau
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Wow, the vibration on the F3 or newer RT's, must really be bad for all of this conversation to take place.
I am so happy that I have an RT, would love to have an F3, but my 2013 RT is awesome. There is a very slight, I did say very slight, vibration in the 70's, but certainly nothing really that bad that I would spend $200 to alleviate?
For now I will just Ryde around on this 2013 RTL SE5 that purrs like a kitten, runs like a cheetah, corners like on rails, and just keeps on going, even though many of you "experts" warn people about how there is nothing good about this model, heck, I don't have any complaints and you guys do! Who has the problem model?
Not me!:yes:
Joe
I am so happy that I have an RT, would love to have an F3, but my 2013 RT is awesome. There is a very slight, I did say very slight, vibration in the 70's, but certainly nothing really that bad that I would spend $200 to alleviate?
For now I will just Ryde around on this 2013 RTL SE5 that purrs like a kitten, runs like a cheetah, corners like on rails, and just keeps on going, even though many of you "experts" warn people about how there is nothing good about this model, heck, I don't have any complaints and you guys do! Who has the problem model?
Not me!:yes:
Joe
jroberts650
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No the vibration isn't bad at all on my 2010 RT, but since I have the ISCI floorboards I can feel more vibrations through them. They are mounted to the frame without any rubber isolators. I was mainly asking if anyone had swapped Doc's roller onto a BRP idler. His roller is nicer and he says it has a double row of bearings that will make it last longer and not heat up like the single bearing on the BRP.
But I agree, I won't spend $200+ either for a cure to an annoyance. My dealer gave me a BRP idler to try since I put the floorboards on and it's working well. If it fails, I'll remove it and let them know. It does whine since I have the ribbed belt but I have put o-rings on it, like Doc did and it stopped the whine all together.
I had emailed Doc yesterday about it before posting on here. He never even offered to sell me a roller to even try. If it won't work, that's fine. Maybe I could have made my own arm. But that's his right. Never knew it would lead to this big of a deal :dontknow:
Roadster Renovations
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The only "controversy" that I see here is that you emailed me about buying a pulley to modify and I patiently explained that it would not work on the BRP arm. I even went on to explain that their arm has a tendency to freeze up at the pivot point since the joint is not sealed like ours. You then brought this up in open forum here and have consistently tried to sway me from what I know is the right thing to do. The bottom line is that if you are unwilling to purchase a kit, this matter is closed as far a I am concerned. I will give you kudos for persistence, but it still ain't gonna happen.
That is the only "controversy" that I see.
That is the only "controversy" that I see.
jroberts650
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Ok, I'm not trying to change your mind or sway your decision. I simply came here to ask if anyone has done a roller swap on the BRP arm. There is no "controversy". As far as trying to gain customers, it isn't the right thing to do but that's your call and your decision. I'm sure there's other avenues I can go down to swap a roller and would have people glad to want to help do that.
Anyway, I'm done here unless there's anyone that has done a roller swap and would like to comment on what they came across while doing it.
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