BRP Hand Brake?

[trikester]

Looks like you're in the 12% group.
81% would like to have a hand brake.

Lamont, When we rode Palomar Mountain together I had intended to try out your cable actuated hand brake. I already knew, at the time we did that ride, that I would add a hand brake to mine. I just wanted to wait until several different methods were tried by others.

I regretted, later that day, that I totally forgot about your hand brake modification while we were riding together and I would have had a chance to see it and try it.

I remember that you posted, on this forum, some time after you did the modification, that you were thinking of changing it to a hydraulic system. Are you still thinking you might do that?

 

[HD2CANAM]

I don't have that many miles on my Spyder as yet, but I have stopped putting my foot down when I stop. Yet I don't think I will ever get used to not having a hand brake. I usually used it in slow moving traffice or to start slowing down in combination with the front brake. If any shop in Arizona ever comes out with one, I will be right there to have one installed!!!

 

[Kariblay]

I'm a Safety Engineer...so I would prefer the redundancy in the event of mechanical failure of the foot brake.

 

[TravelingSpyder]

Would pay extra to get a hand brake as long as it has all the features ie anti-lock. Since rode a motorcycle first, still reach for the front brake in quick stops/emergency stops. Is a safety issue for me.

 

[Wichita Mikey]

Hand brake

As for one with over 500,00 miles on motorcycles, That was the first question I ask when I tested the spyder.I miss the front hand brake on my spyder. I'm getting used to it now, but looking hard at the mod really hard. So yes to the front hand brake. :2thumbs::2thumbs:

 

[bone crusher]

Lamonster,

Put me in the 12% category...no need for it...

The ABS works well and it only requires a foot pedal. For those who want a hand brake, more power to you...it will make the bike look more like our two wheel counterparts yet the function will not be the same....

On a two wheeler, most of the braking power comes from the hand brake...if you go with a hand brake on a Spyder, what are you trying to achieve? As others have written, it'd have the same effect as the foot pedal...so, no change in function.

With this being the case, there is really no feel to the braking on a Spyder when compared to a two wheeler...

It's a nice modification but will not lead to any more functionality...if people want to spend their money on this, it's their money. For those who have medical disabilities, then it's a no-brainer...it'd be a great and functional option.

Just my two cents...(of the last I have these days!)

 

[NancysToy]

Lamonster,

Put me in the 12% category...no need for it...

The ABS works well and it only requires a foot pedal. For those who want a hand brake, more power to you...it will make the bike look more like our two wheel counterparts yet the function will not be the same....

On a two wheeler, most of the braking power comes from the hand brake...if you go with a hand brake on a Spyder, what are you trying to achieve? As others have written, it'd have the same effect as the foot pedal...so, no change in function.

With this being the case, there is really no feel to the braking on a Spyder when compared to a two wheeler...

It's a nice modification but will not lead to any more functionality...if people want to spend their money on this, it's their money. For those who have medical disabilities, then it's a no-brainer...it'd be a great and functional option.

Just my two cents...(of the last I have these days!)

:agree:
-Scotty

 

[wingnut]

:dontknow:
good morning all,is anybody making a hand
brake kit? i think the hand brake used with
the foot brake could increase stopping
power in a panic stop.

 

[Sara]

Hand Brake

It's interesting to read the discussion about do we or do we not need a hand brake on BRPs Spyder---I see it this way: BRP is selling Spyders to more different kinds of people than motorcycles ever could. There are people who have never left a wheelchair who are now able to get on a Spyder and experience the world of "open-air riding," and they are free to sore with the rest of us. There are weak people, caused from many things, including accidents, age, and other conditions, and to not consider them is not "inclusive." BRP should be wise enough to know that they have created a "machine that liberates all people." That's a hell of a concept for any industry, and to design a machine with that in mind will "make money." Lamonster, you wear a badge much brighter than most people---I'm proud of you, and I have your back---God bless you---fight on with my support---gather those of us who know that a hand brake is a requirement, not for me but for the other guys and gals.

 

[bone crusher]

It's interesting to read the discussion about do we or do we not need a hand brake on BRPs Spyder---I see it this way: BRP is selling Spyders to more different kinds of people than motorcycles ever could. There are people who have never left a wheelchair who are now able to get on a Spyder and experience the world of "open-air riding," and they are free to sore with the rest of us. There are weak people, caused from many things, including accidents, age, and other conditions, and to not consider them is not "inclusive." BRP should be wise enough to know that they have created a "machine that liberates all people." That's a hell of a concept for any industry, and to design a machine with that in mind will "make money." Lamonster, you wear a badge much brighter than most people---I'm proud of you, and I have your back---God bless you---fight on with my support---gather those of us who know that a hand brake is a requirement, not for me but for the other guys and gals.

I think you mean 'soar', not 'sore'...that would infer that they're in pain! Ouch!

Anyway, for those with physical disabilities, there is no question that the hand brake is a great idea! I'm sure the ADA would be helpful in bringing this to BRP's attention. It could be an option and it'd be the best and safest way of doing it.

 

[Desert Spyder]

Is it possible to design an electric/hydraulic brake, we have the electric shift. It can also serve as a parking brake as long as you can have a manual over-ride.

 

[Recluze]

hand brake

I am one of those non M/C riders that the Spyder got to ride open air. So with no prior experience, the hand brake is/has been a non issue for me.

When I let a MC rider take #610 out I tell them about three times, "NO HAND BRAKE".

Now I want to put some highway pegs on my scooter just to ease the long distance rides a bit. I have a hard time going for this without a hand brake. I know my limitations mechanically and I am not about to try to modify this myself. So unless someone comes up with a good aftermarket kit I am going to stay with what I have and probably not get highway pegs either.

Bottomline is I would like a handbrake if it were priced right.

 

[RoHo]

Being a paraplegic confined to a wheelchair, it's not hard to know what my vote on this would be. In my case (and that of many others) the question of a hand brake in not something I would LIKE to have. It is something that I MUST have in order to ride. I think BRP should step up to the plate and at least make this a factory option. :banghead:

 

[Dudley]

I am good with the foot brake. After 40 years of riding I had no problem adjusting to foot-only. I would rather see a simple-to-use parking brake lever that would operate with a lever and latch-type lock like I have seen before, years ago, but I can't remember on what. The present foot brake leaves a lot to be desired.

 

[NancysToy]

In reading through the US Federal Safety Standard, I found that BRP apparently had little choice in this matter.

S5.2.1 Control location and operation. ...If a motorcycle is equipped with self-proportioning or antilock braking devices utilizing a single control for front and rear brakes, the control shall be located and operable in the same manner as a rear brake control, as specified in Table 1, Item 11, and in this paragraph. (i.e. Right foot control - Press to engage.)

There is no option for a secondary control, and the electronically distributed braking would have been impossible to achieve with separate front and rear brakes. Our choice seems to have been a safer Spyder braking system (and I think we all would admit it is a very good one) or a weaker system with a hand lever for the front brakes. I'll take what they provided. Unfortunately, those with challenges that require a hand brake will still have to look to the aftermarket, since a manufacturer cannot legally provide one, especially to work all the brakes together.
-Scotty

 

[AMTJIM]

I wish it was there and seperated from the rear brake module...I would like to keep in the practice of standard motorcycle controls. Eventually I would like to install a convetional rear brake master cylinder and a master cylinder on the handle bars...this would eliminate the VSS and ABS, but in the long run I would prefer to remove the VSS all together.

 

[RoHo]

In reading through the US Federal Safety Standard, I found that BRP apparently had little choice in this matter.

S5.2.1 Control location and operation. ...If a motorcycle is equipped with self-proportioning or antilock braking devices utilizing a single control for front and rear brakes, the control shall be located and operable in the same manner as a rear brake control, as specified in Table 1, Item 11, and in this paragraph. (i.e. Right foot control - Press to engage.)

There is no option for a secondary control, and the electronically distributed braking would have been impossible to achieve with separate front and rear brakes. Our choice seems to have been a safer Spyder braking system (and I think we all would admit it is a very good one) or a weaker system with a hand lever for the front brakes. I'll take what they provided. Unfortunately, those with challenges that require a hand brake will still have to look to the aftermarket, since a manufacturer cannot legally provide one, especially to work all the brakes together.
-Scotty

Thanks Scotty!! As usual, you've provided the definitive information. That makes a lot of sense and I can better understand BRP's stance on this issue. :thumbup:

 

[barb36jack31]

1. For OldFart- I would be very interested in a front brake kit.

Jack H.

 

[baldev]

Hand Brake

Every time I get off the 2 wheeler and hop on to the Spyder :spyder:I have to keep reminding myself that there is no handbrake.... in an emergency I did both one came out empty..phew it was a close call....vote handbrake.

 

[bone crusher]

Scotty,

You scare me. You know too much!

In reading through the US Federal Safety Standard, I found that BRP apparently had little choice in this matter.

S5.2.1 Control location and operation. ...If a motorcycle is equipped with self-proportioning or antilock braking devices utilizing a single control for front and rear brakes, the control shall be located and operable in the same manner as a rear brake control, as specified in Table 1, Item 11, and in this paragraph. (i.e. Right foot control - Press to engage.)

There is no option for a secondary control, and the electronically distributed braking would have been impossible to achieve with separate front and rear brakes. Our choice seems to have been a safer Spyder braking system (and I think we all would admit it is a very good one) or a weaker system with a hand lever for the front brakes. I'll take what they provided. Unfortunately, those with challenges that require a hand brake will still have to look to the aftermarket, since a manufacturer cannot legally provide one, especially to work all the brakes together.
-Scotty