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Brake screeching w/ less than 350 miles
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ataDude
Mod Maniac
Lisa... take it out to a deserted road or parking lot... give it a some speed (40+ MPH) and hit the brakes... and stay on them hard until you stop.
Give it a rest to cool and do it again. A couple more times should do it.
Repeat as needed.
Don't worry about skidding out of control... it won't happen with the ABS.
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bone crusher
Alignment Specialist
Screeching brakes is fine...most of us have this...this topic has been covered a lot here.
Our brakes are semi-metallic, not organic...they are going to squeak a lot. If you replace with organic brakes, they will squeak less but you'll lose braking power and you'll be replacing them a lot more frequently.
Scotty's idea works great...come up to speed of 45-50mph and hit them hard...this will clean them up a little and reduce the noise. I did this some time ago and they're still making noise, but a heck of a lot less.
Some dealerships will replace your pads for you, but remember, you'll get something that you might not want...we're better off with semi-metallic pads...the squeaking is minor compared to losing brake power and replacing your brakes 3x faster...
bone crusher
Alignment Specialist
Don't do it in your house please...find a nice, deserted back road...
effgjamis
Ride Forrest Ride!
Just make sure the poodle has the seat belt fastened.
0228lisa
New member
ataDude
Mod Maniac
Firefly
Active member
Here is what I do:
Find stretch of country road.
Get going at least 60.
Slam the brakes on HARD until you stop.
No need to wait for cooling - YET.
Repeat the 60 - 0 hard stops 4-5 times.
Then pull over - shut everything down and let it cool for 15-20 minutes.
Do NOT engage your parking brake.
That should bed them in well and rid the noise for a good 3-4 weeks.
Find stretch of country road.
Get going at least 60.
Slam the brakes on HARD until you stop.
No need to wait for cooling - YET.
Repeat the 60 - 0 hard stops 4-5 times.
Then pull over - shut everything down and let it cool for 15-20 minutes.
Do NOT engage your parking brake.
That should bed them in well and rid the noise for a good 3-4 weeks.
ataDude
Mod Maniac
Me? I just ride with a bunch of younger sport bike guys. That seems to do it.
Never had a squeak... except maybe in reverse a few times.
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Tom in NM
New member
Likely cause - effect - solution
Lisa, as others have said, this is a common occurance on new Spyders, when you get new brake pads, or even wash the Spyder or ride through water. Actually, you should expect it. It happens in cars too, but it is much more noticeable on cycles.
According to essortment.com ( http://www.essortment.com/hobbies/automotiverepai_sdvy.htm )
"What causes brake noise?
There are several causes of squeaky brakes, not all of them mean that you have a problem.
Dirt on the brakes – squeaking is a normal reaction of the brake rotor when the pad is new and just wearing in. The pad material is worn away by the braking action, in the process causing brake dirt. This gets on the rotor, or drum, causing the brakes to squeak. In time this will go away as the brakes wear in together.
Outside forces – such as water or oil, from the road or from another system within the car may get on the brake rotor causing it to slip or squeak when in use. Usually, brakes dry quickly, especially if the problem is from outside the car. If the problem continues, be sure to have your car checked for leaks within the car that can be affecting your brakes.
Brake springs – the braking system is made up of a series of springs and hydraulic pistons. A squeaking noise may be coming from one of several springs. This may or may not indicate a problem since springs squeak by nature anyway. This is one case that would warrant having a professional take a look at. "
To stop the squeaking from the most probable cause (dirt & dust on the brake pads and cylinder) you need to remove the dirt. There are cleaners that you can buy and according to some, the 60 mph screeching halt works too.
I am too thrifty/cheap to buy a cleaner and not enough of a daredevil to routinely do the high-speed stop on purpose. What I do ( and it always works for me ) is set the parking brake a few clicks, I then back up about 5 feet - slowly - not more the 5 mph. Then with the brake still set, I pull forward about 5 feet - still going 5 mph or so. Release the parking brake and test the brakes for sound. I have never had to do this more than twice.
I hope this helps.
Tom
Lisa, as others have said, this is a common occurance on new Spyders, when you get new brake pads, or even wash the Spyder or ride through water. Actually, you should expect it. It happens in cars too, but it is much more noticeable on cycles.
According to essortment.com ( http://www.essortment.com/hobbies/automotiverepai_sdvy.htm )
"What causes brake noise?
There are several causes of squeaky brakes, not all of them mean that you have a problem.
Dirt on the brakes – squeaking is a normal reaction of the brake rotor when the pad is new and just wearing in. The pad material is worn away by the braking action, in the process causing brake dirt. This gets on the rotor, or drum, causing the brakes to squeak. In time this will go away as the brakes wear in together.
Outside forces – such as water or oil, from the road or from another system within the car may get on the brake rotor causing it to slip or squeak when in use. Usually, brakes dry quickly, especially if the problem is from outside the car. If the problem continues, be sure to have your car checked for leaks within the car that can be affecting your brakes.
Brake springs – the braking system is made up of a series of springs and hydraulic pistons. A squeaking noise may be coming from one of several springs. This may or may not indicate a problem since springs squeak by nature anyway. This is one case that would warrant having a professional take a look at. "
To stop the squeaking from the most probable cause (dirt & dust on the brake pads and cylinder) you need to remove the dirt. There are cleaners that you can buy and according to some, the 60 mph screeching halt works too.
I am too thrifty/cheap to buy a cleaner and not enough of a daredevil to routinely do the high-speed stop on purpose. What I do ( and it always works for me ) is set the parking brake a few clicks, I then back up about 5 feet - slowly - not more the 5 mph. Then with the brake still set, I pull forward about 5 feet - still going 5 mph or so. Release the parking brake and test the brakes for sound. I have never had to do this more than twice.
I hope this helps.
Tom
Hmmm
Okay, so I have over 11k miles on my Spyder, and never had the squeaks until the 2nd adjustment to the parking brake. My dealer (is fantastic, and) is taking care of me on this. But, reading this makes me wonder if my issue is the same as above, or different? They are replacing pads and rotors for me, complete new brake job. Any thoughts?
Okay, so I have over 11k miles on my Spyder, and never had the squeaks until the 2nd adjustment to the parking brake. My dealer (is fantastic, and) is taking care of me on this. But, reading this makes me wonder if my issue is the same as above, or different? They are replacing pads and rotors for me, complete new brake job. Any thoughts?
Tom in NM
New member
Hmmmmm . . . . a guess ( which is a half-baked thought )
Here is a guess, according to the Owner's Manual, under the Spyder Periodic Maintenance Schedule, they probably Inspected, Cleaned, and Adjusted your Parking Brake. As I understand this, there is not any adjustment of the brake pads, just the inspection and lubrication of mechanical linkages of the parking brake. But, if one of the adjustments included the Master Cylinder Rod, it may have affected how close the brake pad is to the disc, but more likely that the amount of pressure on the pedal to brake, has changed and your brakes may not be exerting the same pressure as they used to. ( according to the Maintenance Manual, the gap between the pad and the disk is not adjustable - but I am pretty sure the pressure the pad presses the disc is. )
As brake dust, road dirt and moisture come together, they can collect or "cake" on the brake pad and disc. This build-up is the most likely cause of the squeak/squeal when you apply the brakes. The distance between the brake pad and the disc is what allows the dust to cake up - more distance means more cake and when you apply the brakes, that cake ( will in effect ) lubricate the contact of the pad and the disc. You will have brakes, but the slippage and compression of the cake will cause the disc to vibrate and resonate - squeak. You can get the same effect when you rub your finger across the rim of a "squeaky clean" plate. Also, if the brake pad surface is uneven, the low spots will collect that dust cake until the pad is evenly worn.
New brake pads will have a coating on them to protect the 'real' brake pad material. This material will wear off quickly and sometimes unevenly, cake up and make new brakes squeak. The manuals say it takes 186 miles to wear in brakes - with frequent braking. If they are new or old, if the brake pad surface is uneven, the low spots will collect that dust cake until the pad is evenly worn.
I think that going backward and forward with the brakes on, as I mentioned above, breaks up the cake on the pad and allows for a firm contact with the disc. Going 60+ and screeching to a stop, probably does the same, though I think you lose some life off your tires.
Despite everything I have wrote, please note I am NOT a brake expert or your service tech. I would bet that if you cleaned your rear brake pads and disc and removed whatever dirt/dust cake was on them, your brakes would not squeak. I would also think that the squeak would come back until the pad surfaces wore in.
So, that is my guess. Hope this helps or gives you some ideas. It also sounds like your dealer will get it fixed.
Tom
Here is a guess, according to the Owner's Manual, under the Spyder Periodic Maintenance Schedule, they probably Inspected, Cleaned, and Adjusted your Parking Brake. As I understand this, there is not any adjustment of the brake pads, just the inspection and lubrication of mechanical linkages of the parking brake. But, if one of the adjustments included the Master Cylinder Rod, it may have affected how close the brake pad is to the disc, but more likely that the amount of pressure on the pedal to brake, has changed and your brakes may not be exerting the same pressure as they used to. ( according to the Maintenance Manual, the gap between the pad and the disk is not adjustable - but I am pretty sure the pressure the pad presses the disc is. )
As brake dust, road dirt and moisture come together, they can collect or "cake" on the brake pad and disc. This build-up is the most likely cause of the squeak/squeal when you apply the brakes. The distance between the brake pad and the disc is what allows the dust to cake up - more distance means more cake and when you apply the brakes, that cake ( will in effect ) lubricate the contact of the pad and the disc. You will have brakes, but the slippage and compression of the cake will cause the disc to vibrate and resonate - squeak. You can get the same effect when you rub your finger across the rim of a "squeaky clean" plate. Also, if the brake pad surface is uneven, the low spots will collect that dust cake until the pad is evenly worn.
New brake pads will have a coating on them to protect the 'real' brake pad material. This material will wear off quickly and sometimes unevenly, cake up and make new brakes squeak. The manuals say it takes 186 miles to wear in brakes - with frequent braking. If they are new or old, if the brake pad surface is uneven, the low spots will collect that dust cake until the pad is evenly worn.
I think that going backward and forward with the brakes on, as I mentioned above, breaks up the cake on the pad and allows for a firm contact with the disc. Going 60+ and screeching to a stop, probably does the same, though I think you lose some life off your tires.
Despite everything I have wrote, please note I am NOT a brake expert or your service tech. I would bet that if you cleaned your rear brake pads and disc and removed whatever dirt/dust cake was on them, your brakes would not squeak. I would also think that the squeak would come back until the pad surfaces wore in.
So, that is my guess. Hope this helps or gives you some ideas. It also sounds like your dealer will get it fixed.
Tom
barb36jack31
New member
Had the new brake pads installed by my dealer. They are much stronger than the original ones were. However, when I back the bike out of the garage, it absolutly screeches! Put it in first and drive off - no noise whatever. No big deal except that I sound like I am wringing some cat's neck whan I back up. I keep hoping it will abate with time. Meanwhile I have great stopping power.
Firefly
Active member
0228lisa
New member
The de screeching did help a lot. It also helped my tolerance to know that this is typical among Spyder riders. Still embarrassing though to some degree.:shocked:
bone crusher
Alignment Specialist
Well, how do you determine 'stronger' anyway??
Smylinacha
Yellinacha
As much jamming on the breaks mine still sounds like a freakin school bus. It seems worse in damp weather.
NancysToy
Motorbike Professor
bone crusher
Alignment Specialist
Not weaker...slightly softer.
-Scotty
organic
semi-metallic
metallic
Organic won't make noises but you'll get about 50% of the wear life on them...semi will squeak, but they'll last a good, long time and will give you very good brake response...metallic...lemme see...the only vehicle that now still has them is my 1992 BMW!
I've had those brakes forever and they're still going strong...more likely to need a rotor before pads!The Spyder, IMHO, is best with semi-metallic...you need forceful braking and organic will not hold up!
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