Best technique for taking corners fast on the spyder?

[Grandpa Spyder]

I have found the best way to take corners and curves fast is to leave the SO at home.:roflblack:

 

[Yazz]

Just depends on the road grade.

Its all about working with centrifugal force...

 

[bone crusher]

I disagree with the effect of a the size of the rider, if I ride against jim I can see where he shifts his weight and he gets a different result than me being 75 lbs lighter and not a mobile because of my handicrappness.


There is some good ways for me that work but not for others because of the same non mobile issue. Full humans have a big advantage over me in that sense, not that I can't do well, just have to do it with less.

Digging thru my videos I forgot I had this one with the wheelchair mount camera angle, its not a super twisty road but it show how much i move compared to other people. There are other videos where the go cam is on my head and you will see me shift back into the center of the bike because my butt slid one way or the other, which costs me time.

Seth, the physics are the same...you still have to lean to combat the centripetal forces...this is univeral, no matter what...now, how much you lean to accomplish this will be different person to person...

 

[bone crusher]

I know it helps to lean to the inside in the corners (comes natural after riding 2-wheelers anyway, I like to brace my outside leg and slide my butt to the inside), but how does this stop the wheel from coming off the ground? It seems that moving more weight to the inside would make the outside more likely to come up not less. What am I missing here?

If you do not lean, the inside tire will come up. It's pretty darn hard to lift the outside tire as it's the centripetal force that is trying to keep your bike going in a straight line. If you get the inside tire off the ground, you are getting beaten by the centripetal forces, and honestly, you need to do better. You don't want any tire to come off the ground, obviously.

Look at it this way to keep it easy. Leaning in will keep the inside tire down. Not leaning or leaning out will lift the inside tire and could get you off the bike.

 

[NancysToy]

As an addendum to my above post, did you ever see pics of old motorcycle sidecar races? The guy in the sidecar would hang waaaaay over the side when on the outside of a turn to try to hold the wheels down. How are we different?

Look again. A sidecar "monkey" shift his weight to the inside of a turn toward the car, to try to keep the car down. He shifts his weight over the tire in a turn away from the car to keep the drive tire in contact with the ground. A trike rider must lean or shift his weight to the inside of a turn to keep the inside tire from lifting.

 

[steve635]

Thanks NancysToy and Bone crusher

Good explanations, I had a little brain fart there and was all bass ackwards (must be residual thinking from that visit to Bizzaro World).

 

[AMTJIM]

I've done track days with my Spyder, not sure more sticky tires are a good idea. I have almost rolled it several times on stock fronts. My handlebars are reduced in width so I can use more body ballast, I am halfway off the machine and low as possible with just tips of my fingers and toes touching the outside bar and peg. Just as animated as on my sportbike. Beware, if the VSS kicks in you almost feel like your going to get thrown over the front inside fender and it usually causes 3~4 hard VSS pulses. It's quite a fun wrestling match. Also, I don't think the VSS triggers the brake light so watch your spacing if you are are the twisties with others.

 

[SethO]

you can see the difference between the normal bike lines and what a spyder takes in this video

shocks make a difference on the track as well.

here is a video at BIR

 

[flaggerphil]

Having ridden bikes since 1968, though admittedly only riding a spyder since March of this year, it would seem to me that if you're lifting a wheel on public roads you're simply riding too fast.

But that's just me.

I loved the video of Brainerd. Just out of curiosity, is there a spyder road racing organization? Not just track days, but actual racing.

 

[SethO]

Having ridden bikes since 1968, though admittedly only riding a spyder since March of this year, it would seem to me that if you're lifting a wheel on public roads you're simply riding too fast.

But that's just me.

I loved the video of Brainerd. Just out of curiosity, is there a spyder road racing organization? Not just track days, but actual racing.

BRP are you reading this? I would make every racing event I could effort and a few I could not. Lets do this because it does not exist unless you count what doc, jim, dan and I do when we meet up.

 

[bone crusher]

you can see the difference between the normal bike lines and what a spyder takes in this video

Seth,

You are the video master!!! I have a Drift Innovation HD170 camera that I use for skiing...I haven't yet put it on the bike, but it would be cool to do so...

 

[Bob Denman]

BRP are you reading this? I would make every racing event I could effort and a few I could not. Lets do this because it does not exist unless you count what doc, jim, dan and I do when we meet up.

:agree: :thumbup:

 

[docdoru]

BRP are you reading this? I would make every racing event I could effort and a few I could not. Lets do this because it does not exist unless you count what doc, jim, dan and I do when we meet up.

SethO, we start asking for this 4 years ago with no results: my trip/ryde to Minnesota Brainerd International Raceway, your trip to Florida Clearwater Sunshine Dragway, both of us to Utah Bonneville Salt Flats, so many "Non-Endorse Performance Testing". How about we officially challenge the Valcourt Quebec Factory Team?

 

[docdoru]

A trike rider must lean or shift his weight to the inside of a turn to keep the inside tire from lifting.

 

[NancysToy]

OK, Doc, I'll ammend that to say "...from lifting too far."

 

[bone crusher]

Doc, you definitely don't want your bike to do this around turns...that's some bad weight transfer there! :shocked:

 

[SethO]

SethO, we start asking for this 4 years ago with no results: my trip/ryde to Minnesota Brainerd International Raceway, your trip to Florida Clearwater Sunshine Dragway, both of us to Utah Bonneville Salt Flats, so many "Non-Endorse Performance Testing". How about we officially challenge the Valcourt Quebec Factory Team?

I am throwing down the gauntlet too, if the place they test spyders is in WI I am just a state west, I will beat the crap out of whatever I can drive there and some things I shouldn't tell me what kind of feed back you want and I will get it or it can't be done by a half a person.

 

[Bob Denman]

I will get it or it can't be done by a half a person.

:shocked: What's this about? You've got more heart than the rest of us combined! :bowdown: :thumbup: