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It ain't 1776 any more: perhaps some revisions are needed... :thumbup:

Without getting too far afield, just what revisions would you make?

It seems to me that only two things have changed in the field of communications since Colonial Days:

1. Virtually anyone who can type can publish using today's electronic communication methods (whereas the Colonists didn't have the time or technology for everyman to do it).

2. Any such communication can be disseminated in seconds as opposed to minutes, hours or days.
 
I wasn't discussing the 18th with you. Al and I had that one on our radar.
(Read HIS post about it. It puts my reply into the proper perspective.)

No idea who "Al" is but if the original post was the one about repealing amendments I do not follow your perspective.

The 18th instigated a prohibition against sales of alcoholic beverages. The 21st repealed the 18th. History tells us that the 18th was put in place by special interest groups and was a terrible misuse of our constitutional framework and did not fulfill its intent to solve the nation's drinking problem.
 
Street gunfights, as depicted on Hollywood Westerns, did not happen very often. Most killings in the Old West were ambushes of one sort or the other. But if a shooter is equipped with a semi-auto and isn't boldly walking down the hallways of the building he has a good advantage should the handgun holder make himself known. Given the choice, which gun would you prefer in a shootout? No need to ans

Your lack of knowledge about gunfight tactics is appalling. The shooter will be focusing on his next target: not on you! I'd take a handgun into that scrap any day of the week.

(But I would suggest that you call 911, and watch the people around you be shot down...)


As far as your "any gun" statement goes, you have got it all wrong. Virtually every police force agrees they do not want civilians running around a shooting site with guns. You likely would be mistaken by the cops or another civilian for the bad guy and suffer the consequences. Or you might shoot an innocent person you thought was the bad guy. Those scenes are highly chaotic and happen almost instantly. aiain

Wrong again... There is no universal call among Police Departments calling for citizens to not be armed. But when they show up: identify yourself, and put down your firearm! (DUH!)


And, everybody seems to zero in on school shootings but that isn't the only target here. How do all the arguments work when the site is a general gathering of people as in Las Vegas?

The situation doesn't matter.


No, the only true solution to mass shootings is to ban the weapons used. That leaves plenty of types for hunting, target shooting and self defense.

The AR-15 is used in competitive target matches...


I've added my answers above in ​Red...
 
No idea who "Al" is but if the original post was the one about repealing amendments I do not follow your perspective.

The 18th instigated a prohibition against sales of alcoholic beverages. The 21st repealed the 18th. History tells us that the 18th was put in place by special interest groups and was a terrible misuse of our constitutional framework and did not fulfill its intent to solve the nation's drinking problem.


Thank you for a brief moment of lucidity.
If you were actually trying to be a member of this community: you would know Al...
He and I disagree on tons of things... but he's still a friend! :thumbup:
 
Could this be the meaning of " Hippocrat"

Exactly WHO: is everyone? :dontknow:
"Evil" is in the mind and heart, of the beholder...


A few pages back-- I get reamed out for using the word " they" but somehow " everyone" is OK:hun:

Actually I was trying to ignore this thread but I did check in on how well Bob points some of folks to the facts. So thank you Bob.

Lew L
 
I'm new here so am going to tread lightly, plus I hope to meet you all one day on a Spyder ride and would rather not have this discussion as part of the first meeting with all of you (although I have read every post.) I will say that compared to the War, Religion and Politics forum I have been participating in on a lightly moderated sports team board for a long period of time and intensely since the shooting, you all have been amazing civil all things considered. Interestingly I will say though, the points being argued and rebutted are pretty much the same although I think the age demographic here is probably older just given the hobby we enjoy riding is an economic stretch for many in their 20's and 30's that participate in sporting forums.

One thing, and I am a gun owner and support the 2nd amendment but not to the point that others do in terms of what I feel I need to own (nor do I have the experience that many of you do both with the knowledge and use of firearms), but I have been struggling with the idea that there should be no limit to what the 2nd amendment guarantees as far as gun ownership. Many believe the 2nd guarantees the right to own the AR. Okay, but before it was invented no one needed to own it so why is it deemed a "right to own" now? Does this mean any weapon invented in the future is also guaranteed under the 2nd? The question is somewhat philosophical in nature and I am still thinking about the ramifications and how to even define "limits" and "gun types".

Another point that has started to take shape in my head though, given what I assume the average age is of those posting here (mid 40's and higher?), I wonder how much influence we are going to have over this debate in the future or even now. I say this having 18 and 14 year olds and how social media savvy they are and how they consume and disseminate information and just how they interpret the values we have given them. Both of them are Boy Scouts and know how to shoot btw. Many of you served (for that you will always have my respect and thanks, my father was a loader in a Sherman tank in WWII and helped clean up Dachau 8 days after it was liberated but pretty much never talked about it other than to say the smell of death was everywhere. The point being he taught me to respect those that served, always.) Where I'm going with this is I think there is a generation behind us that may feel very differently about guns and the right to own what type as they are the first real generation to get shot at in schools and dance clubs. Their world is so incredibly different than the one we grew up in, everything is faster and more complex due to the access to and speed of information (I am not one that thinks this is all good either.) Believe me the mom's are on point and passionate for their kids, their voices will be heard.

I don't pretend to know where it will go or how it will end up, but I am starting to think our "generation" has less dog in the hunt on this one than we think. It will be fascinating to see what happens 25 years from now if I am around to see it.

Respect to you all.

LeftCoast

P.S. I'll be out front yelling at the kids to get off my lawn.:roflblack:
 
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The 2nd amendment allowed for the current then, the most advanced weapons of the day. Nothing has changed today, except after 1986 no more machine guns could be sold to an individual. Only class 2 and class 3 dealers and law enforcement can own machine guns. Semi- autos are as close as we can get to military arms. Most are used legally for hunting and competition. We took prayer out of schools. Forbid teachers from disciplining the students, and when they got home if the parents disciplined them, the students could turn them into social services. How are you suppose to teach respect if you can't discipline? I think all this is where the problems with our society started and now we seeing the fruits of the experiment. IT DIDN'T WORK. Now what are we going to do about it? It's not the guns, or the types of guns. If there are no more guns the murderers will just use something else. The Aurora movie theater would have been far deadlier had he used bottles of gasoline. Should we ban gasoline just in case?
 
Hiya "Lefty"! :thumbup:
Welcome to our own little version of, "Are you out of your MIND???""" :roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:

Not everything in here is this ugly, and I apologize if I've said anything to make you feel "squeamish" about speaking up.

We are a group of VERY diverse opinions, so a bit of this just has to happen every once in a while...

It's kind of like a pressure cooker blowing off some steam! :D

So while we don't agree on everything: at least we've got the "Spyder-Thing" right! :thumbup:
 
Hiya "Lefty"! :thumbup:
Welcome to our own little version of, "Are you out of your MIND???""" :roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:

Not everything in here is this ugly, and I apologize if I've said anything to make you feel "squeamish" about speaking up.

We are a group of VERY diverse opinions, so a bit of this just has to happen every once in a while...

It's kind of like a pressure cooker blowing off some steam! :D

So while we don't agree on everything: at least we've got the "Spyder-Thing" right! :thumbup:

Ha not squeamish at all. Like I said you all have been very civil all things considered. I agree with some items and disagree with others and can more than hold my own but also have exhausted myself being very vocal on the other sports forum so I’m just trying to do more listening here. No one has changed anyone’s mind on anything! Plus I am new and would rather set the tone for my being here in some other areas than this being the first one if that makes sense.

I'm actually really impressed with your credentials from a firearm standpoint btw.
 
... It's not the guns, or the types of guns. If there are no more guns the murderers will just use something else...
:agree: Just check out my latest Avatar, and it'll show how easy it is to find a weapon! nojoke

"Megahertz": A German Heavy metal band with a really cool sound! :bowdown:


....and off the wall makeup!
 
Thanks!
I checked your profile, and there's no mention of a Spyder; are you still shopping?

Yeah the “household conversation” on this one is going to take a good while but at least it’s on the table for discussion now.

Believe me you all will be the first to know when agreement is reached because I will start shopping about 5 mins after that. :yes:
 
I'm new here so am going to tread lightly, plus I hope to meet you all one day on a Spyder ride and would rather not have this discussion as part of the first meeting with all of you (although I have read every post.) I will say that compared to the War, Religion and Politics forum I have been participating in on a lightly moderated sports team board for a long period of time and intensely since the shooting, you all have been amazing civil all things considered. Interestingly I will say though, the points being argued and rebutted are pretty much the same although I think the age demographic here is probably older just given the hobby we enjoy riding is an economic stretch for many in their 20's and 30's that participate in sporting forums.

One thing, and I am a gun owner and support the 2nd amendment but not to the point that others do in terms of what I feel I need to own (nor do I have the experience that many of you do both with the knowledge and use of firearms), but I have been struggling with the idea that there should be no limit to what the 2nd amendment guarantees as far as gun ownership. Many believe the 2nd guarantees the right to own the AR. Okay, but before it was invented no one needed to own it so why is it deemed a "right to own" now? Does this mean any weapon invented in the future is also guaranteed under the 2nd? The question is somewhat philosophical in nature and I am still thinking about the ramifications and how to even define "limits" and "gun types".

Another point that has started to take shape in my head though, given what I assume the average age is of those posting here (mid 40's and higher?), I wonder how much influence we are going to have over this debate in the future or even now. I say this having 18 and 14 year olds and how social media savvy they are and how they consume and disseminate information and just how they interpret the values we have given them. Both of them are Boy Scouts and know how to shoot btw. Many of you served (for that you will always have my respect and thanks, my father was a loader in a Sherman tank in WWII and helped clean up Dachau 8 days after it was liberated but pretty much never talked about it other than to say the smell of death was everywhere. The point being he taught me to respect those that served, always.) Where I'm going with this is I think there is a generation behind us that may feel very differently about guns and the right to own what type as they are the first real generation to get shot at in schools and dance clubs. Their world is so incredibly different than the one we grew up in, everything is faster and more complex due to the access to and speed of information (I am not one that thinks this is all good either.) Believe me the mom's are on point and passionate for their kids, their voices will be heard.

I don't pretend to know where it will go or how it will end up, but I am starting to think our "generation" has less dog in the hunt on this one than we think. It will be fascinating to see what happens 25 years from now if I am around to see it.

Respect to you all.

LeftCoast

P.S. I'll be out front yelling at the kids to get off my lawn.:roflblack:

Excellent post! Thank you.

The Second Amendment:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

It is really hard for me to understand how this allows semi and auto weapons of today. Our forefathers had muskets, muzzle loading pistols and rifles, and cannon when they wrote this. Do we really think this amendment allows semi-auto rifles If so, why not bazookas, flame throwers, grenades, 50 caliber machine guns, and suitcase nuclear weapons? Where does the line stand? Please help.

Regards,
Joe T.
 
In defense of our 'Left Coast' friend, when I moved to LA in 1985, I had NEVER seen so many 'gun nuts' in my life! And, I grew up in Texas, where guns are everywhere. Guys who lived in tiny apartments has arsenals! Every weekend they would go out into the desert and blast away!

Don't be fooled by the 'LIB' status of California today. That could change in a heartbeat if things truly 'go south.' Those suckers are well armed!

Joe T.
 
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I want an rpg, i wanna scream shark, i don't want to wear a seatbelt, i don't need headlights at night, i shouldn't
have to pay school taxes, i want free cigarettes & cable tv when i'm in jail.

These things you mention are constitutional rights, so what is your point? Okay, maybe the "rpg" would fall into this category.
 
In defense of our Left Coast' friend, when I moved to LA in 1985, I had NEVER seen so many 'gun nuts' in my life! And, I grew up in Texas, where guns are everywhere. Guys who lived in tiny apartments has arsenals! Every weekend they would go out into the desert and blast away!

Don't be fooled by the 'LIB' status of California today. That could change in a heartbeat if things truly 'go south.'

Joe T.

Thanks. I think the part of my post the intrigues me the most is how the moms, 20 something’s and younger drive this debate. I guarantee they are riding a bigger faster horse than we are AND they don’t see or experience the world in the same way we do. At all.

To them, all our VCRs are blinking 12:00
 
Thanks. I think the part of my post the intrigues me the most is how the moms, 20 something’s and younger drive this debate. I guarantee they are riding a bigger faster horse than we are AND they don’t see or experience the world in the same way we do. At all.

To them, all our VCRs are blinking 12:00

Ya' mean they can see my VCR?!?!?!? Oh No!!! The sky is falling!!!

:D

Joe T.
 
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