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[Bob Denman]

I may have been a bit cranky when I called that Troll, a troll... :joke::joke:
But I won't back down from saying that insults have gotten us no closer to solutions.
THAT's what drives me in this matter! :thumbup:

And we ARE friends! I fervently believe that!

 

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

:dontknow: I don't know... :dontknow:
These mutts come in all ages and sizes: I'd rather look for a solution that will encompass more of them.
You can join the Military at 18: should that age be raised to 21 also?

This problem will absolutely not be solved easily. I have no doubt that it will require a multifaceted approach, that will piss off a whole lot of folks.
Here's the start of my list of issues:
1. Get rid of HIPPA regulations. Everybody's medical records seem to be sacrosanct. Nobody can tell anybody anything about you: even if you're suicidal, homicidal, or worse...
2. Video games need to be brought under strict control. The youth of today have been inoculated against the true consequences of violence. They can shoot, tab, stomp, and blow up countless other folks every day on these things. Life has no value to them anymore.
3. How about making two-parent households a bit more popular again? It takes two of them to juggle an adolescent into a semblance of maturity: one can't do it alone.
4. Let's force the background checks to do their job. If somebody "falls through the cracks": let the idiot that dropped them pay for the horrors that are committed.
5. There are well over 20,000 firearms laws on the books right now. How about actually enforcing them??
6. Let's make incarceration not so much fun anymore?

Who else adds something to add to the list?
I'd love to hear anything that might work!

Number 5 & 6 i agree would make a big difference in all aspects of gun violence. i don't really agree with number 2
since i grew up without slapping people in the face, poking them in the eye or hitting them in the head with a hammer.
bob i did notice you are avoiding answer my statement about these 17 people might still be alive if the purchase
age were 21.

 

[Bob Denman]

Read the very tippity-top line of my response: it's about as clear as the nose on your face.

But it's good to see that we have some common ground! :2thumbs:

 

[Pirate looks at --]

Agree Bob, insults lead to "Hatred", hatred leads to Violence, and we are in the same vicious cycle! I think we all agree that there needs to be some level of change! I have to say, I don't know what that SHOULD be, but it will require compromise in some fashion. I don't believe that any guns should be banned. I think that it should be a little more difficult to get them, and that all of the law abiding gun owners on this site would have no problem owning all of the guns they want. I think our law enforcement agencies need to do a better job of managing "questionable" cases. This guy had 39 instances of interactions with police, and or social services as he was apparently a pretty sick dude. The next time the police come to my door will be the first! If as I read, this guys family and neighbors had warmed the police about this guy and his guns, and they did nothing, shame on them!

So so how do you effect change in such a heated emotional issue? Through peaceful conversation, and compromise! Yes Mac, I am a Hippie at heart, I hug a tree every chance I get as I love being out in nature. If that is wrong, and you hate me for it, that is really very fine with me!

So let's continue the peaceful conversation and benefit from the great ideas that come from it!:bowdown:

 

[Bob Denman]

I also like hugging trees! :thumbup:

When I'm climbing them to get into my hunting blind!

:shocked: What'd I say?? :dontknow:

 

[Bob Denman]

The larger issue, is that life has been devalued.
We're all becoming disconnected from everybody else.
The internet affords us all of the comfort of "invisibility", and we can be as horrible as we want to everybody else: nobody knows who we are anymore.

If we can start trying to get a handle on this: I think that the rest will be easy! nojoke

 

[Bob Denman]

..And even Pete and I have forged a truce; and even a bit of friendship and respect along the way! :yikes:

If WE can do it: anybody can!

 

[Pirate looks at --]

Totally agree Bob! As for your climbing trees to go hunting! Go for it! I have nothing against hunting. If we didn't have grocery stores all of us would have to hunt to stay alive. Hunting today is managed and actually, I believe, supports healthy wildlife populations! It's not for me for reasons that you described before! I will sleep in, stay warm, and join yiu for dinner and whatever wine you recommend with Venison!:yes: Kumbya!

 

[Pirate looks at --]

..And even Pete and I have forged a truce; and even a bit of friendship and respect along the way! :yikes:

If WE can do it: anybody can!

He knows this.....Pete is an acquired taste! Once you get to know him, he is a really great guy! A bit of a s#*t disturber, but again he stimulates conversation! I really got to know him, and really like him and what he stands for, at the Nor-Cal Spyder Rally. He is truly good people! ( are you blushing yet Pete ). So Bob, this September, pack up the toy hauler, and you and the Missus travel cross country and Join Pete and I at the Nor-Cal Spyder Rally! We will both buy you a beer! And dinner! Right Pete?

 

[Bob Denman]

September: :shocked: That's the ONE Month that I barely have a spare five minutes in... :banghead:
The First weekend is our kid's birthday (The Missus takes this crap seriously!)
The Second weekend is our hunting club picnic: it's the first year without my Dad being here for it...
The Third weekend is a Youth Field Day here in Town: we expose the kids to a lot of hunting and fishing info.
The Fourth weekend is an antique tractor and classic car show in Town: the Missus works at that one, and I like to look at the machinery!
And the last one is my Birthday...


:shocked: Help... :gaah:

 

[RinconRyder]

????
How did I change the subject? We are discussing killings in schools! You say there is a "gun problem" in this country. I say you are wrong! There is NOT a gun problem, a gun is in inanimate object and can do nothing by itself, for pete's sake. We have a "human problem" and until we try to fix that there is no Band-Aid fix that will make a damn bit of difference.

Some of us need to take off the blinders we wear when we read stuff, stop listening to those driven by an agenda and actually THINK FOR OURSELVES. Seems that some of us are extremely closed minded.

You DID attempt to change the subject - from gun issues to abortion. They are not the same thing and do not have the same complicating factors. But just let me say this:

Until each and every Right To Lifer volunteers to adopt and raise, at their own expense, those unwanted fetuses (they are not "babies" until they are born) do not foist their expenses upon people like me. I raised my children at my own expense and do not want to pay to raise multiple generations of "welfare babies". If that sounds harsh then so be it but until you have a better solution don't harangue me about abortion.

And, you are absolutely WRONG about the "people problem". Since it is apparently impossible to tell who might commit a mass murder with a gun the only other reasonable response is to remove the weapon doing the damage.

 

[Mad Mac]

Wow Bob, I have to agree with Pete on all counts, I respect you and your opinions, even though I may disagree with them. I believe that when we meet we will become good friends, in fact I count you as a friend now! So let's all agree to disagree, and respect each other, and our diversity of opinions. That diversity, when channeled effectively, leads to positive discourse, and resolution of issues! As for the "hatred" laid down by Mac, that has no place anywhere except in the dark recesses of his "mind" and heart?...:lecturef_smilie:

I have no "dark recesses", I just call it like I see it! And if you guy's can't deal with a little "criticism", Then maybe you need to get a little bit more "thick" skinned. My attitude is why I have survived 20 years with societies wayward children, hell , even adults. It sucks that I (and others in the career field) have seen more crap in those years than a normal person should ever see or experience, I do not wear the "rose colored" glasses that some people do, so yeh I can be a little opinionated. My outlook on society can be a little "gray" a times. But I'm good with the way I feel and believe it or NOT, I can respect my fellow man or woman, and show compassion towards same. Macnojoke

 

[RinconRyder]

Well we can at least say that the teachers would be in the schools! I am amazed that this deputy who had this cushy assignment for 9 years, and the ONE time he is needed, to do what he is there to do, he chickens out, and let's more and more people die! Hey, but he is alive to tell the story!:lecturef_smilie:

In an interview taped three years ago the school resource officer said he had been a cop for 30 years and a SRO for 25 of those years.

It looked like he sat too close to the donut box during most of those years.

I wonder if the Broward Sheriff's Office has a penalty for Dereliction of Duty?

 

[Bob Denman]

As I understand it: he's no longer on the Force.
I'm just not sure if he was fired; or "allowed" to retire...

 

[Orange Spyder Man]

I still think we should start by holding criminals/murders/rapists accountable.. they are assigned a lawyer & show up in court dressed in a suit, clean shaven .. made to look like a top notch law abiding citizen... if they are unfortunate to get charged for the crime they did.. our penal system puts the in jail for 20+ years before any real consequences are carried out.........heck, if they guilty of murder... hang them within a month... why should tax payers be burdened with supporting these rejects of humanity for 20 years ???? ... do you really think these kind of people will change/rehabilitate ???
Until the U.S. changes the punishment for heinous crimes.. NOTHING WILL CHANGE.. one does not need a gun to commit murder.. they can resort to knives, vehicles, bombs or crashing air planes... wake up folks... GUNS DO NOT KILL PEOPLE.. they don't go out shooting anyone... PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE..

 

[RinconRyder]

Here's an idea to Improve School Safety:
Harden them.
Give them entrances that can't be shot open... mesh glass that can't easily be busted, and stepped through...
Replace the cheap inner doors, with something that'll keep bullets from making their way into the classrooms.
Give each instructor the ability to lock their doors from a handy remote location.
Keep the damn doors shut! Have absolute control over who gets access to the buildings...
(How many of you have seen doors blocked-open??? :gaah

Idiot Trump espoused this same "idea" this morning. Only problem? Where is the money going to come from? You are talking about retrofitting thousands and thousands of buildings across the country. This is dumber than trying to isolate a country with a wall.

 

[Bob Denman]

Idiot Trump espoused this same "idea" this morning. Only problem? Where is the money going to come from? You are talking about retrofitting thousands and thousands of buildings across the country. This is dumber than trying to isolate a country with a wall.

Rather than saying what won't work: tell us about what you would suggest...
I suggested hardening the targets: because this tactic does work... at a price.
Are taxpayers willing to pay it? :dontknow:

And the entire "idiot Trump" thing is uncalled for...

 

[kep-up]

You DID attempt to change the subject - from gun issues to abortion. They are not the same thing and do not have the same complicating factors. But just let me say this:

Until each and every Right To Lifer volunteers to adopt and raise, at their own expense, those unwanted fetuses (they are not "babies" until they are born) do not foist their expenses upon people like me. I raised my children at my own expense and do not want to pay to raise multiple generations of "welfare babies". If that sounds harsh then so be it but until you have a better solution don't harangue me about abortion.

And, you are absolutely WRONG about the "people problem". Since it is apparently impossible to tell who might commit a mass murder with a gun the only other reasonable response is to remove the weapon doing the damage.

My point, in case I wasn't clear and I probably wasn't, was that a tremendous amount of media discussion is happening about 17 deaths but never any media discussion regarding the thousands of unborn killed every day.

If a fetus isn't a baby until it is born, (if said "fetus could fill it's lungs with oxygen, it is a human being) why is it that an individual who kills a pregnant woman in an automobile crash can be charged with 2 counts of homicide?

You are partly correct in that it is nearly (my word) impossible to predict who will commit mass murder, but my point is not about individuals, but about our society as a whole. As a society, we need to "get our head right". We absolutely need to stop worshipping violence, and until we do, any bandaid we stick on the problem isn't going to accomplish anything.

I said I was done, but for some reason Rincon Ryder, you seem to be able to jerk my chain. BUT, now I am done!

 

[Mad Mac]

Agree Bob, insults lead to "Hatred", hatred leads to Violence, and we are in the same vicious cycle! I think we all agree that there needs to be some level of change! I have to say, I don't know what that SHOULD be, but it will require compromise in some fashion. I don't believe that any guns should be banned. I think that it should be a little more difficult to get them, and that all of the law abiding gun owners on this site would have no problem owning all of the guns they want. I think our law enforcement agencies need to do a better job of managing "questionable" cases. This guy had 39 instances of interactions with police, and or social services as he was apparently a pretty sick dude. The next time the police come to my door will be the first! If as I read, this guys family and neighbors had warmed the police about this guy and his guns, and they did nothing, shame on them!

So so how do you effect change in such a heated emotional issue? Through peaceful conversation, and compromise! Yes Mac, I am a Hippie at heart, I hug a tree every chance I get as I love being out in nature. If that is wrong, and you hate me for it, that is really very fine with me!

So let's continue the peaceful conversation and benefit from the great ideas that come from it!:bowdown:

I don't "hate" you, I enjoy nature myself and I don't want to come across as a person that believes we as a people, should use and abuse our resources. Use responsively and save some for others. What I meant, is that we have turned into a nation of "whiners" and we put it on somebody else to fix it for us, nobody is responsible for "policing" themselves anymore and it is taught to our kids by counsellors and teachers, not us parents. Look at the shooter, his adopted parents, whom had to know that he was a little "mental" and was allowed a firearm in their home? Really?? I don't care if he was 19, and I thought we had the only key?? If it was secured in a gun safe, it has 2 keys. And if it had a tumbler lock, Sorry kid, not in my house! So I hold those "fill- in- parents" to blame. Common sense people! That is the point I was trying to make and I apologize if I stepped on any toes. Macnojoke

 

[Mad Mac]

I also like hugging trees! :thumbup:

When I'm climbing them to get into my hunting blind!

:shocked: What'd I say?? :dontknow:

OKAY BOB, I stand corrected. I do "hug trees" myself because I'm scared!!:joke: Mac